posted November 05, 2004 10:37 PM            

Oops, too flippant?

Life's too serious to take it seriously, eh?

Daf, If I said black you'd say white just for the opportunity to disagree with me. If you enjoy it, then have at it. So be it. Have a Bud on me.

posted November 05, 2004 10:38 PM              

"God draws the lines, we choose the colors that fill the spaces between them."

Love,

posted November 05, 2004 10:44 PM              

It would be an honor to have my life revolve around you. As it is, it is an honor to have it revolve around another, and so there is little room for my words to be tailor made to disagree with your own. Perhaps in another time, another place, I could play Lex Luthor to your Superwoman. This is neither that place, nor that time.

Peace,

daf

posted November 05, 2004 10:48 PM            

Guess we're both lucky on that count.

posted November 05, 2004 10:51 PM              

Love,

posted November 05, 2004 11:14 PM              

Something pushed me to come to LindaLand. Something handed me her book Sun Signs, and I wasn't even seeking it. Honestly, the greatest things happen when you least except it.

posted November 06, 2004 03:49 AM              

Thank you for speaking up and stating your opinion. I agree wholeheartedly. You are a kind, tolerant and patient soul. Thank you for that.

posted November 06, 2004 08:05 AM              

Yes, I have read Bach's One. I liked it very much too. I thought he was really on to something. I would say that his premise is one that blends the ideas of Fate and of Free Will, and I like that. I think we are of similiar age, yes? Maybe you will remember these: When I was maybe 10 - 12 years old there was a series of very popular books around that were something like "One". At the end of each chapter the reader was left with 2 options. Choose option A and you would proceed onto, say, chapter 2. Choose option B and proceed onto chapter 3. Etc. etc. Consequently, there were several potential stories within each book, depending on the choices made. So there was an eliminte of Free Will (the choice at the end of each chapter) and yet it had an eliminte of Fate too (only certain choices were offered and each led to a particular outcome). Trill, do you think that somethings are inevitable? The way they come to being the only variable? For instance, lets say I am fated to die on such and such a day. The choices I have made in life would dictate the sort of death I would experience. Maybe I die peacefully in my sleep, or in a nasty car accident, or maybe I am brutaly murdered by a serial killer. No, I do not mean that "good" choices lead to a "good" death and "bad" choices lead to a "bad" death. Something less obvious, something more subtle.

Daf, I've heard your analogy before. And it is a good one, I think, to a certain extent. Except for one thing - I am not just watching the movie, I am in the movie. And that makes a world of difference. Remember that old Woody Allen film were one of the characters had escaped the movie he was in?

If someone tells me that everything that has happenned to me was predetermined, I can buy that. I think that is what magidivision has said. But if someone tells me that everything I have done is predetermined, then I might take issue.

"Life is predestined, the people you meet are predestined, but Free Will can be yours if you can control your reactions to those situations. If you can learn from those situations than you've attained Free Will. We have Free Will, but I believe most of us never use it."

posted November 06, 2004 09:02 AM              

Yes, of course I'm aware that you're on the stage as well, having spent so much time watching you shine like a star! (You'll notice the mention of actors on the stage.)

An Oscar-winning performance my friend, heartfelt and sincere. You are truly one of those that makes this show the one to be in and the one to see.

Love,

daf

P.S. A "Master" isn't necessarily one to whom others are subservient as though slaves or robots.

A Master is also one who has perfected his craft and to who it is, in most sane circles, considered wise to turn for answers.

The conductor of a symphony is called Maestro (Teacher or Master) because he knows music intimately..the part of each instrument..having played most, if not all of them himself, prior to becoming the Maestro.

If anyone here has a different opinion of the Master's level of awareness in spiritual matters, well then, by all means, attendance to his words is optional. I for one am grateful for the opportunity to listen and learn. The Master hasn't barked any orders, only entertained our questions with answers that offer us the opportunity to explore or minds and hearts, if we are so inclined.

posted November 06, 2004 09:03 AM            

Thank you 26T...I think we often like each other's onions.

Randall, you are a wise man. Time and again, for what it's worth, you have earned my respect.

Good Morning Tink. Yes, I read One too...but the book Illusions is the one I was speaking about. It's just a little book, but when I first read it years ago it was so powerful, and I love it to this day. I'd love for you to read it...

I didn't have the children's books you're talking about, but I wish I had! They seem so valuable. I love the premise.

Tink and Starlover, yes, I think there are things in this life that are 'predetermined.' But who makes those decisions? Do either of you recall a string in FFA, begun by Randall, titled "The Most Important Thread on LL" or something to that effect? It's about a soul, on a higher plane, deciding what sorts of things might happen in her life. And creating some shared possibilities.

In other words, my Higher Self says to your Higher Self (I use Higher Self as a convenience), "Gee, I think it might be good for our evolvement that one of us gets murdered brutally on the earth-plane. Or maybe it just might be fun to experience it. But it has to be a surprise. Are you up for that?" And you say to me "Well, ok, sounds like a hard earth-life, but there may be something to be gained from it. But I would like to pursue a higher path this time, so maybe we could fall in love, and you find someone new, and then maybe you won't have to kill me after all..." Etc.

Ergo, you have Predestiny and ultimately Free Will, because the God/dess that you are has chosen possibilities.

I know I've used simplistic examples, but I'm not fond of making things too complex.

Is that the way life really works?
I've no idea.

posted November 06, 2004 09:17 AM              

I've learned that impulsive behavior deserves to be revisited and revised when necessary rather than left to its own destructive devices.

Peace,

posted November 06, 2004 10:03 AM            

There are many teachings and Paths available to us all and underneath our words, I believe they lead back to the one Source. The Divine.

The Master has a site for Teaching for anyone interested. A specific home for the Teachings of the Ancient Tradition. May we all grow in God/Dess Grace.

Love,

posted November 06, 2004 11:54 AM              

Yes, I also have a copy of Illusions. Also enjoyed that very much. I believe Richard is an air sign and sometimes he gets a bit too ... well.... airy for this water sign but I love him nontheless.

I liked your hypothesis whole bunches. I would add that maybe when you and I were making plans pre-birth to meet here on LL we were did so because the meeting was in accordance with God's Will. No doubt that Will is more easily understood while in that hightened state of consciousness than it is in this one. The only thought I would not entertain is that our meeting is dumb coincidence.

your fated friend
tink

posted November 06, 2004 12:58 PM              

I for one agree that Linda was always "open, clear, and to-the-point". But I know that others have been left mystified by her. Go figure.
I also know that there were many things that Nahtan said to Linda that she did not immediately understand. Even the most loyal of Linda fans (and I consider myself one) would admit that Nahtan had reached a higher level of awarness than had Linda. I also remember that she did not recognize Aaron Goldblatt for what he was until it was too late.

I, too, am not one to "bow down" or kneel to any man. And I never will. But I am willing to bow my head in respect when one passes by who I deem has walked farther down the path than have I. This is simply good manners. I said to 26 in another thread that although I see no merit in Osho, knowing that others considered him a worthy teacher, I would certainly treat him with respect were we ever to met. Again, simply good manners.

Randall, I realize that your statement was not directed towards me and I apologize to you if you feel I have intruded.

Thank you Sir
tink

posted November 06, 2004 01:59 PM              

Of course your concern is appreciated. An astrologer once said that if an Earth sign expresses concern, more often than not it is because they care. If they didn't care, they wouldn't waste their time. Thanks for caring Randall.

You're right of course, if we had nothing to go on, it would be ridiculous to assume that this one is a "Master." But we do have something to go on. We have his words. For myself, and some others here, they ring authentic.

I can honestly say that I have been able to find more sincere truths in magidivision's words than in all of the words I have ever written, or ever read here at Lindaland.

As to the difficulty some may have in understanding why magidivision's words seem to make no sense, I would suggest that it is ULTIMATELY difficult to write something that has meaning on more than a couple of levels.

Magidivision's words in this respect are BRILLIANTLY simple for the number of layers they contain.

You can literally learn something new each time you read them, and the great thing is, most of those insights come not from his words themselves, but from within our own hearts. The stories and symbols simply serve to draw them out into the light where they can be seen.

I am a writer, and would like to fancy myself a philosopher of sorts. As a writer and philosopher, there is much I could learn from this one. Recognizing this, I call him Master, a sign of my respect and admiration for what he has been able to accomplish. I need no other indicator of his ability than his words.

There are others who have approached this newcomer with an open heart, and those who have met him with suspicion (well founded though it may seem.) It seems telling that those who allowed the words to reach them were touched by the words, and those that didn't weren't.

It tells me that we have a lot to learn from those whose hearts and minds are open.

Again Randall, thank you for expressing your concern. Even as an adult, sometimes it feels good to be watched over by a protecting eye.

Love,

daf

posted November 06, 2004 02:01 PM              

It is an odd venue for all of this, isn't it? A Brave New World! And yet, I'm sure most of us here feel as though we have made connections with fellow knowflakes that transcend the bonds of this silly machine I'm typing on. "An anonymous venue" to be sure and yet it seems the heart finds a way.

About Nahtan again, I always thought it was odd that Linda (especially being a woman)would open her door that night to a strange man, in a strange hotel, in a strange city. And yet, she did.

I thought it was telling that, although his credibility was attacked more the once, magidivision never seemed to take offense. He never got defensive. I know I certainly would have.

thank you again Randall