posted November 06, 2004 02:11 PM              

No charge to visit the site, no requirement that you sign up or leave any information before reading what is posted there. No additional services offered, no strange instructions given, no ads or banners. No sign of commercialism whatsoever. (not that there's anything wrong with that...of course.)

Just more stories and teachings, with perhaps even more clear explanations offered for those stories and teachings.

Just a site, devoted to learning, sharing and growing as human beings, whatever Path you happen to be on.

Love,

posted November 06, 2004 02:56 PM              

I think this should sum it up pretty well:

No Money or Control Issues Involved Whatsoever.

No doubt your concerns are the concerns of others here, so thanks for bringing it up for further clarification.

Who would pay attention to the details for us if not you Randall? Thank you.

Love,

posted November 06, 2004 03:04 PM            

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P.S. I didn't know magidivision when the darkness post was made. The darkness I spoke of were the hardened hearts that so many of us have presented here lately.

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Once again, you change the story to suit your needs. At the time, you insisted that The Darkness was from someone(s) outside of LL, and specifically told us not to look among ourselves. I also know from a source I trust very much that The Darkness debacle was in response to some emails and such...and not a general overall judgement of the people who post regularly in LL.

Open hearts and closed hearts? You are in no position to judge any of the hearts here in LL. It would seem that you believe that those who do not worship or choose as you do, have closed hearts. You bandy about the words love and peace, and yet, you have often created suspicion and divisiveness.

You may perceive what you want to perceive, but your own words come back to you again, and those words were: "Perception is not reality." You may know parts of the hearts of a few, but you do not know us all.

posted November 06, 2004 03:09 PM              

You're right of course, my perspective is flawed and has been since I was a child. It took me 35 years to learn this, and has only taken you the year and some odd that you have known me to figure it out. How very observant of you! (All the more reason for me to seek guidance...don't you think?)

Thank you for your input. No doubt now that we are BOTH aware of this, miscommunications should be less frequent in the future between us, no? You know what to expect from me, and I, for the most part, know what to expect from you.

And now if you will excuse me, family calls and I must retire from Lindaland until tomorrow. Have a wonderful day!

Love,

posted November 06, 2004 11:00 PM            

I am constantly receiving e-mails from new Knowflakes (or people who have not actually signed up yet) which say things like, "What is my future?" or "Does he love me?" or "Please, tell me what to do." These individuals are easily influenced and should not be subjected to religious panaceas which claim to know all the answers. I feel like I have an obligation to protect these Knowflakes from potential snake oil salesmen peddling pseudo-spiritual wares.

A true GURU finds his/her students when they are ready, and certainly said GURU would not have to "recruit" for "followers" on a site such as this, or anywhere else, i.e. "Follow me, I am Your Guru."

As a general rule (not making any specific accusations), in regards to any GURU who asks you to pay him/her for any reason, this is a false prophet. Although astrology instruction is up for debate, it is a common Spiritual principle that no money shall exchange hands between metaphysical student and Teacher. That's why ministers are not allowed to be paid by church members; the church pays them directly.

Lastly, Daf, every crackpot religious nutcase from Jim Jones to David Koresh has said words that both lured and attracted their followers, or else they would not have inspired those followers to join and to remain. So, your statement of Magidivision's words being the only proof you need is not a valid measurement of authenticity, IMHO. The followers of the aforementioned cult leaders thought the words they heard were being helpful to them up to the very untimely end, so that is not a yardstick that holds legitimacy in my book. That being said, I now bow out, and I would only ask that everyone take such grandiose claims with a grain of Lot's wife unless the same is proven to them in a more tangible fashion. Like Captain Kirk said in a Star Trek movie when they met a Being who claimed to be the Creator, "Why would God need a spaceship?"

posted November 06, 2004 11:12 PM              

I must admit, that I have been taking it with a grain of salt, but at the same time I wanted to see what answers I would get out of it, if any at all.

posted November 07, 2004 06:45 AM              

First, there has been a great deal of information transmitted by the Master to this group. Most of the information is meaningless to most. For a few, the transmissions have been extremely clear and concise. Now, it is not for me or Randall or them to “tell” you that the Master is an ancient one on the Path or that he is a false teacher, that is for you to determine for yourself. The way in which you do this is to examine the Master’s words and Teaching which is now available at another site to any and all who are interested. Just as Randall takes his responsibility most seriously when it comes to frauds and false teachers, he will now bear the responsibility for his judgment in this case as well. There is no charge for this Teaching, there will never be any charge and the only pre requisite is a heart that thirsts for Truth. The notion that the Master is some Indian Guru who has financial interests is a fantasy created by Randall and one that will or will not be maintained by the viewers of these pages, and this fiction has nothing to do with Reality.

Next, let us turn to the notion that the Master is some “cult” leader or recruiter. According to the Master, there is no doctrine to his Teaching. He is a Sufi with no affiliation with any group. He associates himself with Hezrat Molana also known as Rumi in the West who, as we know, has been dead for over 700 years. The Master has Known me all my life, but I have only known of him post my 30th birthday. In that small personal experience, he has only ever “personally taught” me and my two soul mates and, more recently, five members of Linda Land.

One of the most important Teachings of the Master is that which concerns destiny and free will. You see these words tossed about here and there by those who have had no Teaching on this subject and no proper exposure to Mystical Teaching at all. This is one of the most complex and difficult subjects to grasp and it requires the guidance and wisdom of a Master to transmit such Knowledge.

Love from your Sister
Meili

posted November 07, 2004 12:23 PM              

I am not a Muslim. Nor are any of the other people I have had the privilege of working alongside, except Meili and perhaps the Pir himself.

Each of us walks a different Path, subscribes to the tenents of a different Tradition, from Native American, to Christian.

Love knows no politics other than acceptance.

Love to you Randall, and thanks again for your concern.

Peace,

daf

posted November 07, 2004 12:42 PM              

There's lots of stuff about it on the web. Keep looking Randall, you'll be surprised.

But not wishing to be the sort that foolishly tries dragging a horse to water, I'll shut up from here on in. If you want to check it out and make up your own mind - great. I hope you find it useful. If not - great. I wish you well on your journey.

posted November 07, 2004 02:37 PM              

On a cold winter night, Mullah Nasrudin hears a loud, contentious argument outside his home. Wrapping himself in a blanket he goes outside to see what the problem is.

Two men are indeed engaged in a loud dispute and there is a crowd watching. In a moment of excitement, someone grabs the Mullah's blanket and runs off with it.

The next day, Mullah was asked about the dispute and he replied...

"All of the dispute and argument was a conspiracy to steal my blanket."

So, let us not loose the blanket.

The Teaching is about traveling from ignorance to enlightenment. Moveing from bias conditioning and prejudice to an ability to think and see clearly. Linda Goodman devoted her life to that clarity and tried to provide others with an understanding of how that process is achieved.

Hezrat Molana (Rumi) based his Masterpieces on the notion and concept of Allah. Please provide me with your definition of Allah so that we may examine this concept clearly and without reaction and crisis.

I will look forward to your response and a continuation of our discussion on these most important matters.

posted November 07, 2004 02:47 PM              

I wonder when the two of you will accept that we don't HAVE to accept magi as anything other than another Knowflake. That's all he is here, as are you, daf, and myself. Knowflakes. Equal. Period.

Why do we have to follow along with you? Why is it not okay with you that we do not believe? Why is it not okay with you that anyone chooses to go from ignorance to enlightenment with out the help of magi? Why do you feel the need to force him upon us?

posted November 07, 2004 03:15 PM              

The interpretation that anyone is working to "force" you to anything is an indication of your own paranoia and nothing to do with reality, just as Randall's worry about financial abuse was his paranoia. Anyone who wishes to ignore anything and everything I say or have ever said is perfectly free to do so. I have been here over a year and I do not recall one instance where I have "forced" anyone to do or say anything.

A visitor to a Sufi center met with the leader of the order (called the Pir) and was impressed with the knowledge and wisdom of the Teacher. After several visits the visitor went to the Teacher and said that he wanted to convert to Islam. The Teacher said:

"This is not appropriate, being a good Christian should be your goal."

As Hezrat Molona has Taught, "Do not confuse the secondary with the primary".

From the Sufic perspective, Newton, Einstein, Beethovan and many others were traveling the Path and were adherents of the Way.

Like my query to Randall, perhaps we can elevate this discussion by engaging in a dialog about your interpretation of a term or concept. I am most happy to accomodate any topic that will further our ability to share.

posted November 07, 2004 03:22 PM              

My question to you would be, who is it that you are speaking for when you say we?

And why does that "we" have such an enormous problem with us expressing ourselves here?

Are you speaking for all of Lindaland? Have you determined that they are incapable of speaking for themselves?

Do you think so little of the mental capacity of those who visit this site?

Is Meili a naive fool for wanting to make her own decisions? Myself?

Are we somehow incapable of making rational decisions without the benefit of hateful, prejudicial words to persuade them? Who is really trying to convince here L.S.?

This entire thread was an open invitation to those who WANT to listen. Those who WANT to read these words. Those who WANT to know more about this particular process of self exploration and discovery.

It was NEVER directed at those who think it is a bunch of malarky, and noone has tried to convince anyone agaisnt their will, except perhaps those who have taken it upon themselves to strongly, rudely and harshly accuse people like magidivision and Meili of spiritually unspeakable things.

When the dust settles, would you have our words be gone so that you can no longer read them? Why are you reading them again and again if they inflame you so?

In order to upset yourself and respond with hurtful, harsh words? Does that really make any sense?

There is a sadness in my heart, but it isn't for your words, it is for you and this deep rooted hatred you must harbor for anything that is even remotely associated with a Tradition.

It must really hurt to feel the things you must feel when you write the things you have written. I don't think anyone wants to see you feel anger, sadness or pain.

Peace to you, Librasparkle, a deep peace to clear your troubled heart. The Libran scowl is nowhere near as pleasing to the eye as the Libran smile.

Love to you and hopes for a glimpse of your brilliant smile,

posted November 07, 2004 04:29 PM              

You know fully well that you drudged up conversation about this topic with your post in FFA.

The only thing that "inflames me" is the fact that you're still harping on it. You'll notice, I haven't had a lot to say here recently, until YOU brought it into FFA. You're playing little girl games.

When I say "we", I mean, those that are not feeling this dude's vibe. Those of us that aren't jiving with what you think. Just because we don't agree, you don't need to try to manipulate people into believing what you believe. Maybe you have low self worth, and can't handle criticism. I don't know. I don't know you, and after this display you've been putting on lately, I don't care to know you. This is the end of our repartee. You can play you mind games with those interested in your daftness.

posted November 07, 2004 04:49 PM              

Love to you Librasparkle, I hope this is done now.

Peace to you as well, friend,

posted November 07, 2004 05:02 PM              

Interesting. I find LibraSparkles heart to be very far from "troubled". But, it would take one to know one I guess.

Some of us believe we need a Master to guide us along our way. Some dont mind giving their power away. Others will cut their own path and learn all they need to by just observing and living life itself. Some dont need little stories and riddles to understand it all. It's actually all quite simple, we are the ones that make it complicated.

One man's religion is another man's belly laugh.
Robert A. Heinlein

Religious experiences which are as real as life to some may be incomprehensible to others.
William O. Douglas

When we blindly adopt a religion, a political system, a literary dogma, we become automatons. We cease to grow.
Anais Nin

This is my simple religion. There is no need for temples; no need for complicated philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is our temple; the philosophy is kindness.
the Dalai Lama

posted November 07, 2004 05:08 PM              

Is there a reason for calling the stories "little stories"?

Normally, when the adjective "little" is used in that respect it is a sign of contempt, a condescending blurb added to an otherwise open hearted post.

I hope you don't mind my noticing, particularly since everyone on the "other side" of this discussion has taken great pains to avoid voicing judgement of your position, even though they may disagree with it.

Peace to you,