posted October 20, 2004 07:32 AM              

People asked Mulla Nasrudin how many stars are in the sky. He said, "I haven't had the chance to count them, for two reasons. Daytime I'm busy earning bread and night time I'm worried in case it's dark, I can't count them properly."

I once travelled through the Allegeny mountains and I saw a teenage girl picking flowers.

Serenity,

posted October 20, 2004 07:42 AM              

The questions are slowly forming in my mind now...

I was told things from an unreliable source very early this year, but mixed in with things that I was told there is an element of truth, a possibile reality that is only just dawning inside of me.

I feel like I am listening to my heart, how do I know for sure? how do I separate truth from imagination?

Please tell me if my target practice is not getting any sharper.

may Peace be upon you

love

posted October 20, 2004 07:52 AM            

Altars And Pulpits

Our backs are turned to God;
No wonder we don't see 'Him'. -
That's the trouble with having a back.

Some say God is also a man;
His back is always turned on someone.

Everywhere, men go to men to find God.
Pulpits are built where altars grew;
Stages for men; theaters for God. -
The actor is easy to distinguish
(He's always the one
Not facing the cross).

These narrow theater walls -
Someone must always stand outside them.

They say that God is in the church,
But every week they look there.
I think they will go on looking.

God is known by His absence.
Don't we all feel this presence?

Who said 'there are no contradictions'?
He only spoke half-truths.

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"To a woman who prayed with her butt in the air, I remarked in passing,
'God is also behind you.'"
- Diogenes the Cynic

posted October 20, 2004 07:58 AM              

An invitation to tea is most gracious of you. Friends sharing thoughts is a delight of life. We will chat soon.

You see and know:
You are able to bring everything to fruition.

Serenity,

posted October 20, 2004 08:05 AM              

A friend once quoted the Quran:

The interconnectedness of All is an expression of the singularity embodied in the notion of God. Every fallen tear or shed blood rips the fabric of existence. In this great Unity, the pain of one is the pain of all, the salvation of one is the salvation of all. Likewise, the defilement of Nature is the defilement of all Earth.

It is always a pleasure to hear your sweet words.

Serenity,

posted October 20, 2004 08:13 AM            

Welcome Enlik!
BTW, this threads only been active for 50 hours or so, and I think the master aready has his hands full with the questions so far

Eleanor, as always, your words are full of meaning.

26t, I think I misinterpreted your statement:

quote:

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It's horrifing for me to see others so easily latch on to someone else.

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I thought it was meant like a band wagon. Sorry. But I do read all of your words... At least within UC and since I became mod. Sometimes I might fall behind a little as I might be busy. Thanks for your patience.

I just read your latest post magidivision. Thanks for yout presents/presence.

posted October 20, 2004 09:19 AM              

Meili got it right when she said:

It would be helpful for the friends of Linda
Goodman to take a momment and reflect on Linda's definition of

****G.U.R.U Read Star Signs
GEE YOU ARE YOU!****

With Linda Goodman, the guru has a specific meaning. When I said I'm a guru, I used it in this way. There is no "if's" "and's" and "but's". Then everyone redefined it from their own angles and potentials.

I am a wandering darvish who travels with love and affection. I offer my knowledge willingly if there is a sincere question. In the way of the mystic, adab is not separated from love. And Love, is it a really understood word? Are we all talking about the same thing? Everyone sees every concept according to their archetypes.

My master told me once two people with similar problems went to see a wise man. He gave them two different answers. They complained, "Why don't we get the same answer?" Everything is a manifestation of God. The Names and Attributes of God are infinite. But each of us receive only a few names and attributes.

For example, one is generous, humiliator, sustainer, etc. Another person is selfish, angry, and proud. The third person is a mixture of these two. In God all these names are undifferentiated and balanced. In us, these names bring imbalances because of our own imperfections.

The aim, however, is through searching and bringing that light forth so we can come to balance. The Holy Bible says, "In the beginning there was the Words [Names and Attributes] and the Words were with God [in balance]."

This life is a journey from birth to an end to know yourself -- your shortcomings and your strengths. It is a battle between Names and Attributes IN YOU NOT OUTSIDE YOU. The battle between love and hate, greed and selflessness, ego and annihilation, vanity and modesty, arrogance and humility . . . These names are all balanced in the Almighty God. There is thunder and floods, drought and plagues, honour and wisdom, honesty and blessings, generosity and love.

Yet all these names are in balance under His Name, the Compassionate and Merciful. A man must travel the same path and bring all his attributes to balance.

As we see in this group, something we like makes us happy and we want it. Something we don't like makes us angry and we reject it. That has nothing to do with the nature of that thing. It depends on our interests our own selfish ways.

The mystic knows bad does not exist. These are relative terms. Rumi says: "A man who worked in the sewer system all his life went to a perfume bazaar. The scent of flowers made him sick and he fainted. He tried to revive him but they could not. Eventually he brother came with a piece of dung and placed it under his nose and the man revived." What is good for you is bad for someone else. What is bad for you is good for someone else. These are the results of your archetype which consists of only a few names and is imperfect.

But everyone also has a potential to go toward perfection according to whatever names they have. To receive the right signals you must polish your antenna -- or polish the mirror as they say in the mystical world -- and put it directly toward the satellite. Otherwise you will receive distorted pictures or snow.

To make your journey, you have been given a ship and that is nothing but love. Love is everything. It was the motive for Creation. As God said to David, "Ah, David. I was a hidden treasure and I wished to be known."

But Love came with contracts and devotion. Didn't God ask, "Am I your Lord?" and we all said, "Yes, You are."

The difference between Adam and Iblis (Satan) was expression of adab. They both knew God is aware of everything. Satan said, "I did it because it was Your will." And Adam said, "I did it because it was my fault."

The mystic covers for God. If there is a problem, he says, "It's me." And if there is harmony, he says, "All praise be to God." Love and adab are not separated from each other.

Love, adab, and potential changes ones archetype as it did with the 30 birds in the Conference of the Birds. Attar says, "The lazy and vain birds claim, 'That is all there is' or 'I know it all.'" This was the height of lack of adab which destroyed the vehicle of love and the journey was never made. Adab is the shariat. Love is taqiqeh. With these you can make your way to haqiqeh.

Some people do not practise courtesy (adab). Whatever I say, they change it to their own version and they only see their own dimension in it.

The Guardian of the 4th Crystal is understanding the 4 dimensions of 6. 4 is a number of perfection. 2 plus 2 is 4. According to mystics, numbers start from 2. If we divide 2, you get 1 which is a odd number while the answer should be even.
4 is the first undifferentiated even number. We will talk more on this later.

The difference between a mystic and an ordinary man is mystics see clear pictures. Ordinary men, distorted ones. The mystic only made it to this stage by making his nafs obedient (getting rid of greed, vanity, anger, selfishness . . . ). The mystic teaches us when you approach mystical issues, you must come empty and open. If you come filled with pre-judgement, you will throw up. Anger, slander, will be the reaction.

I do not want any followers as I have mentioned several times. Don't put words in my mouth. I said follow me. I am your guru.

Your guru is your heart after it cleans itself from arrogance to a hospitable habitat for the Beloved to enter. An apple seed contains all knowledge to grow into a tree, to bear flowers and to bear fruit because it must realize itself. And it must open its treasures as God did with His Names and Attributes. The motive, again, for all was love. And God said, "The heart of the mystic is My Empyrean."

My God,
seek me with Your grace
so that I may reach You,
and attract me with Your blessings
so that I may draw near to You.

Serenity,

Master

posted October 20, 2004 09:56 AM            

Your words gives the Heart hope and may their energy stir the hope to Faith and Knowledge.

The Earth and her Creatures are the Divine manifestation of but a glimpse of the glory of God/dess.My prayer is that I may Know this in our human race.

My Heart has many questions yet it has difficulty aligning them with the mind; transmitting them to the fingettips to give form in words. As I am stirred, I trust they will properly form.

I simply ask at this time if I may join you and Orchidspirit for tea and a chat over your gracious table.

Thank you for your Presence among us.

Love,

posted October 20, 2004 10:09 AM              

:-)

I'd like to come for tea too, I think.

Perhaps I can take you dancing sometime?

posted October 20, 2004 12:15 PM            

Love,

posted October 20, 2004 12:52 PM              

Your post above is much easier to swallow than...

Follow me, I am Your Guru

The emphasis you put on "Your" cannot be denied.

Maybe there is some kind of lanuguage barrier you don't quite understand. I don't know. Where is it that you are from? What is your native tongue?

I think all of this would have been more willingly received if it wasn't handled in the way it was. An up front approach is always the best.

The way this was handled seems somewhat deceitful and conniving.

Meilli spoke of staging an intervention in LindaLand, and her prayers being answered by your presense. Meilli could have handled this situation with much more diplomacy. To assume that SHE is more enlightened than the rest of us, and therefore must intervene is insulting. An absolute slap in the face to the rest of us here... well, I suppose I should really only speak for myself, not everyone else here. I found it quite insulting.

This situation could have been handled with more honesty, and less deceit.

I'm quite positive your presence would have been much more warmly received had Meilli not set you up in this manner.

I am not closed off to anything you have to say. I'm sure you have something to offer and teach to each of us... as do I, 26Taurus, Juni, Eleanore, Meilli, HsC, and the other Knowflakes who visit these forums.

With that being said, I hope you accecpt my skepticism as a form of self protection. We cannot go around believing everything everyone says. We have to have proof.

I do find it quite interesting that you say you have been talking with Linda Goodman. Do you do so through meditation... astrally? Are there others you speak with regularly? Will you please explain how you go about this, and maybe some important points the poeple you speak with from beyond might have us know?

posted October 20, 2004 12:57 PM              

Read your last posting it was great.
What does "Logos-Circle-Seven" mean to you?
Also some day would like to hear from you about beyond 12. I had a post called 'Twelve' before you came onboard.

Thanks Coldiron for your last post. This way we save some time for Magi to type.

posted October 20, 2004 01:48 PM              

magidivison, I think everyone is clear on the GEE YOU ARE YOU thing since most of us have read Star Signs. It was not how it was expressed as first by you, and that was clear because it was questioned by the other Knowflakes.

However I agree with LS on what you said above being far clearer.

I feel like an attitude expressed to us has been somewhat like; we can't see because we won't accept something we prefer to question first.. or that somehow we are 'blind' because we don't conform?

We all manage to understand each other pretty well on LL in general & anything we don't understand is challenged and cleared up. We do not respond to each other like there are enlightened secrets that we couldn't possibly understand. We are adults & not into playing games, especially when bold, initially unclear, statements are made about one's heritage.

Follow me, I am Your Guru

The only way Linda blatently spoke to us in verse is through Gooberz - and that wasn't her opinion of us, rather it encompasses each of us in how we make our own way.

You stated you were keen to answer questions. I hope you can accept my point of view and see why questions have developed from this slightly unusual thread.

Again, I echo a Knowflake on the apt topic of Linda Goodman;

quote:

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I do find it quite interesting that you say you have been talking with Linda Goodman. Do you do so through meditation... astrally? Are there others you speak with regularly? Will you please explain how you go about this, and maybe some important points the poeple you speak with from beyond might have us know?

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posted October 20, 2004 01:56 PM            

Here...take a sip.
By the way, I only answer the questions that I find relevent.

posted October 20, 2004 02:00 PM            

And my mind is no exception. I'm still not sure what brought me to this string at this point. Was it my ego? At any rate, the dynamic here is certainly peculiar, and very revealing.

... I knew Osho would help. I love Mulla Nasruddin ... opened an Osho book with the feeling there would be a good Mulla story waiting for me ... page 600, "The Book of Secrets" ...

One day in the morning, Mulla Nasruddin was passing down a street shouting oaths and saying very angrily, "The devil will take possession of your spirit and beets will grow in your belly" -- and so it went on and on.
One man looked at him and said, "Mulla, whom are you cursing so much so early in the morning?"
Mulla said, "Who? I don't know. But don't worry, someone will turn up sooner or later."

posted October 20, 2004 03:09 PM              

Thank you. I sense that was a very good response.

In the light...

But one more doozy, how can I find God inside me? I've been looking so hard.

posted October 20, 2004 03:42 PM              

Which reminded me:

In the work, wherever there is power there is conflict: the multitudinous enemies try to rush in, the self-willed spirit endeavours to gain the mastery and offers all its lures in order to get the end for itself; strange mystery it is."

And also:

"When light meets light there is true self-perception, and man begins to know and to hate and to rectify himself and desire rectification."
--Mary Anne Atwood, Suggestive Inquiry into the Hermetic Mystery

Peace and Grace be with you and yours,

posted October 20, 2004 04:06 PM              

God is like a light that comes out from a prism where everyone on other ends thinks it is a different color depending on where they are located.

Theres a famous tale in India about 10 blind man and a elephant.

When each was asked to describe the elephant. Each came with a different answer. One said, The object is a fan. This was the guy who touched the ear. The guy who touched the leg said its a pillar. The story goes on.

I think the same dynamism was exhibited here.

We all tried to descibe God in our own innocent way. We tried to quantise the infinite into a box. And each had its own way.

At the end the Elephant (GOD) must be having a big laugh.

PEACE.

posted October 20, 2004 04:12 PM              

quote:

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It is not important who said it or how it is said. What is important is what is being said.

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posted October 20, 2004 04:25 PM            

May I ask what names I have?

Thank you.

Love,