posted October 20, 2004 07:01 PM              

My, but that's quite the entrance you made! Good show, good show! I adore a grand entrance.

Call me crazy, but I like to take people at face value. And so I will. If for no other reason then Meili's recommendation. She has proven herself to me sufficently that the least I can do is keep an open mind. And really, what could it hurt?

Questions, questions, questions. I keep wondering what I would ask you if you were here. I imagine us sitting, cross-legged, facing each other in that Magical, Golden field, surrounded by woods, I happened upon once when I was 12 - and then, strangely, could never find again. The one near the horse's stables, up on the hill, above the little waterfall. I hear bagpipes playing in the far distance (imagine that!) - faint though heard. Not so loud though as to overpower the sound of the crickets and the wind rustling the leaves. And I think you wink at me (do you?). I see it so clearly, and yet, no questions come. Oh, they rise to the surface allright. Flimsy, weightless, silly things with no real backbone or purpose. They dissipate in the Light. And so, the imaginary you and the imaginary me just smile and laugh and I say, "thank you whole bunches". Because to know that such a one as you might just be real makes me happy. Makes me think that maybe my suspicions are right and True. That there is a Key, and it unlocks a Door, somewhere, up there. And I will find it.

With as many Happy Blessings as my tiny self can muster,
tink

"Defenceless under the night
Our world in stupor lies;
Yet, dotted everywhere,
Ironic points of light
Flash out wherever the Just
Exchange their messages:
May I , composed like them
Of Eros and of Dust,
Beleagured by the same
Negation and despair,
Show an affirming flame."

W.H. Auden

posted October 20, 2004 08:19 PM              

"The proof is in the Heart. Feel it, the mind will confuse you."

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Here's a link I think you'd enjoy, fellow Osho fan.
http://www.oshoturk.com/osho-life/07-MENU.htm

posted October 20, 2004 09:16 PM            

I just wanted to add on a slightly different note something I read in "Conversations with God Book 3". He said all Great Masters proclaim publicly "Look at me, I am the Master", or something like "I am the way, the truth, and the Life." We as humans have a hang up regarding Masters for whatever reasons. There are many. This is why they were all shunned in the past, and crucified. I'm not sure if they were all cricified, but it seems after there words are spoken are we able to understand their vibration. I'm thinking artists may also be included. Both musicians and painters. Even poets. I'm not sure how much they cared whether their expressions were understood in the short time span they walked the Earth, or as a gift to us should we choose to accept them. We should try to be receptive at all times.

I must warn you here that you teach what you are trying to learn, hence my post is really for Me more than any one to understand.

posted October 21, 2004 12:46 AM            

"How can you go forward?
There is no place to go.
How can you leap?
You have no foot."
- Hakim Sanai

"The true men of old...
They had no mind to fight Tao.
They did not try, by their own contriving,
To help Tao along."

"Look at this window:
it is nothing but a hole in the wall,
but because of it
the whole room is full of light."

- Chuang Tzu

posted October 21, 2004 05:39 AM              

Prophet Abraham also loved stars. And through that he found God. One evening, he was looking at the stars saying you are my God. He looked until morning but in the morning when the daylight arrived, the stars disappeared. He thought, oh, that cannot be my God. The next night, he was looking at the stars again, and he thought the moon must be my God. But the moon too disappeared when the daylight arrived. He then concluded that God must the sun. With that thought, he sat and watched the sun all day long. But with the arrival of the evening, the sun disappeared. Then he realized God must be above daylight and night light. He is above the stars and the sun. It is that quest in him which helped him to find God.

God says in the Quran, "I am closer to you than your jugular vein." But we know, there are 70 000 veils between us and the Truth. The veils are not from Him. They are from us. There are seven valleys to the Truth. By crossing the valleys, veils will be lifted.

The most important of all is the Valley of Quest. Throughout the journey of the seven valleys the thirst must remain there. All our pain comes from separation from the Beloved. It has been said when God created us, He looked at His creation and was so happy He laughed and congratulated Himself.

Once He saw the separation, He was sad. That happiness and sadness is in all of us, this pain of distance and the joy of becoming one with the Beloved.

Sufis believe heaven is when one arrives to the Beloved's gate and you'll enjoy the light. Hell is when you learn the separation is there for longer. One will be burned in the flame of love in separation.

One would find God anyways. It is not done through talking, it is an action, a deed.

Jesus said, "Why are you so concerned with the materials of the world? Look at the birds. They never save. They enjoy the sun, the wind, the cold, and the heat. They only have trust in God."

Materials can be anything from money to anything in the mind. Self-discipline is needed (shariat). As your mind and your heart are sacred, your body is also sacred. It should not be host to sexusal temptation and used by more than one person.

Ushu and Sai Baba are not the true representatives of the spiritual world. I said I travelled with them and Linda Goodman. Those two are the messengers of mysticism without adab and shariat while Linda offers clean soul and discipline through this journey.

To know God you must know yourself. No one knows you better than you. You know all about your weaknesses and conditioning. Our conditioning has given us a false id of who "i" am. Who is this i?

The small i is my worldly desires, my selfishness, greed, vanity, deception . . . but there is a bigger I who owns everything. He says my soul, my heart, my body. Who is this I?

That I, the big I is the true me. It is hidden. It comes forth when I destroy the small i. Mysticism is a journey of life. From the time of birth to journey to the other domain. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask.

Serenity,

posted October 21, 2004 06:30 AM              

Of course, everyone has a divine name, and that divine name is like the expression that radiates from a musician. The first is to know that you are a drop of rain, then you must fall into the ocean and learn its ways, and from its ways be the channel of the quiet might and power of He who moves the ocean.

Beethoven was not Beethoven until he composed the Moonlight Sonata. So it was the Moonlight Sonata that gave Beethoven his name.

Your true name comes out of your interaction with your lord (your archetype). Your lord is happy with your names and attributes if you are also happy with your talents, potential, and all gifts given to you.

Ishmael is the true name of the son of Abraham. Ishmael was happy with whatever the lord wanted for him, good or bad, disaster or prosperity. As a result, he lord was very happy with him and offered him fana right away.

Juniperb, I thank you for your kind words. You are teaching me humility. Your name of humility reflects in your actions. Your color is green and you are travelling with the moon. Your star is feminine.

Also, Tink, you are very bright and I admire your intelligence. Yes, you are right, religion is in the hearts, not on the surface. Your color is blue. You travel with Mercury. Your star is masculine.

Orchid, thank you for your self-discipline. Your voice dances with joy. Your color is sepia (brown). Your star is feminine. You travel with Jupiter.

Seeshell, your color is black. You travel with Saturn. Your star is masculine. Your strength and courage do not waver in adversity. For this, you are highly regarded.

In the agony suffered for You,
the wounded find the scent of balm:
The memory of You consoles the souls of lovers.
Thousands in every corner, seeking a glimpse of You,
cry out like Moses, "Lord, show me yourself!"
I see thousands of lovers lost in a desert of grief,
wandering aimlessly and saying hopefully,
"O God! O God!!"

Serenity,

posted October 21, 2004 09:02 AM              

You make my heart dance with joy, you give a lightness to my step, the gifts that you give are truly beautiful gifts and only hope I am wholly worthy of them.

To be within such company surpasses dreams merely coming true. How I feel is not describable by my limited vocabulary.My way is not with words it is with my heart.

I endeavour to look within and see for myself the gifts I was born with, and to make use of these gifts within the service I offer to my Lord.

This path I now tread has been given more luminosity by the friends that I travel with, friends whom I now know are connected on a level I had not before experienced.

As the circle of friends grows so does my heart. With the growth of my heart has come new awareness, more than I dreamed of. I never realised that such connection was indeed real, and now have a sense of why words are not adequate to describe our Lord.

Once again I offer you thanks for your wonderful gifts.

posted October 21, 2004 09:52 AM              

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To know God you must know yourself. No one knows you better than you. You know all about your weaknesses and conditioning. Our conditioning has given us a false id of who "i" am. Who is this i?

The small i is my worldly desires, my selfishness, greed, vanity, deception . . . but there is a bigger I who owns everything. He says my soul, my heart, my body. Who is this I?

That I, the big I is the true me. It is hidden. It comes forth when I destroy the small i. Mysticism is a journey of life. From the time of birth to journey to the other domain. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask.

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Thanks Magi you just described my name handle :

quote:

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i Am That Big I

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When I came here 2 months ago. I wanted people to ask that question. I guess everyone is aware of it in this forum

By the way what is Fana given to Ishmail.
What about Jacob who obtain the birthright with trickery from Abraham?
Didn't David come from Jacob's lineage and then Jesus from David?

The christians and Jews always have the ego that they are more blessed. And I always convinced myself that God is not biased. Even muslims are in the divine plan. Isn't Allah the Yahweh the Brahman.

posted October 21, 2004 11:10 AM              

You seem to be avoiding me. Do I somehow frighten you? Is my skepticism more than you can handle?

posted October 21, 2004 11:59 AM              

Thank you, Sir. That you would acknowledge me now was more than I could expect or hope. I see that it is a Gift undeserved and so I am all the more grateful. I will give your comment attention and I will try to understand.

"drifting clouds do not obstruct the shining moonlight"

Surely the Lord is most Merciful

posted October 21, 2004 12:58 PM              

What is the relationship between Guru and Disciple: A different perspective:

An entire book was written some thousands and thousands of years ago much before buddha about how Krishna took an avatar on earth at a time of injustice and moral degrade.

An entire stage was set for the arrival of Krishna. (Please read the Mahabharata. The battle field which lasted 18 days and probably 10,000,000 or more people from many countries dies.)

Krishna in his own way, choses Arjuna to ask the basic questions. Listening to Geeta which has the conversation between Krishna and Arjuna someone can be enlightened. Thats what they say.

Arjuna was very intelligent, a son of one of the deity God. Yet he asks such basic questions for everyones benefits.

An even deep relationship between Guru and disciple can be studied by reading about Dronacharya(the Guru) and Ek Lavya(disciple). The best archer, who out of his love for his guru, gives away his right hand thumb. This way Dronacharya, assures that Arjuna (his other disciple) is the best archer in the world in those days. Its a must read to understand the mechanics of Guru-and-Disciples.

PEACE

posted October 21, 2004 04:16 PM              

One by one, the people went away. Towards evening a poor man with a heavy bundle approached the pair and asked the way to the nearest town. The Teacher immediately stood up, took the man’s burden on his own shoulders and conducted him a part of the way along the right road.

Then he returned to the crossroads. The young disciple asked Was that man, miserable peasant though he looked, really a saint in disguise, one of the secret wanderers of high rank? The Teacher sighed and said: He was the only person whom we have seen today who really sought the object, which he claimed to want.

posted October 21, 2004 06:45 PM              

Will you help me make it the rest of the way, please?

posted October 21, 2004 08:36 PM              

"boy you call tell Im a cappy, huh?"

P.S. Daf, I really enjoy your reading words. I have bookmarked many of them. I feel your knowledge and wisdom, just facinating.

Thanks in Advance for your response,
Angela

posted October 21, 2004 08:49 PM              

Thank you so much.

What is my color and my star?