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jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2787 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 22, 2004 06:35 PM
Hey Pid, maybe we should get a collection together and buy Petron a new roll of aluminum foil. I think the radiation is leaking through his tin foil hat and frying his brain. Woodward? Oh yeah, the guy of Woodward and Bernstein fame, Watergate, Deep Throat and a break-in at the DNC to get the Democrat's hooker list for their convention. With a cast of Nixon, Dean, Mitchell, Sirica, Haldeman, Liddy, Ehrlichman, Mardian, McFarland, Cox et.al. Never heard of him.
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pidaua Knowflake Posts: 67 From: Back in AZ with Bear the Leo Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 22, 2004 08:08 PM
Yeah..I think that is a good idea jwhop...AND..maybe he could wear it during a thunderstorm..LOL...with a lightening rod in each hand while walking outside in a flat field..LMAO....sorry...bad humor. and yes Petron..this thread is very entertaining..much like watching pots boil.
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posted December 22, 2004 08:55 PM
i'm the 1 being entertained by watching pots of water boil over here if you think you don't like cops' caps, flapjack flappers' or cupcake cooks' caps, maybe you're one of those choosy chaps who likes kooky captains' caps perhaps. Dr. Seuss "Oh say can you say?" *********** Will the highways on the Internet become more few??"-George W. Bush I have a different vision of leadership. A leadership is someone who brings people together. --George W. Bush "Quotas are bad for America. It's not the way America is all about"-George W. Bush
I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family. -- Greater Nashua, NH, Chamber of Commerce, Jan. 27, 2000 The important question is, How many hands have I shaked?"-George W. Bush "We had a chance to visit with Teresa Nelson who's a parent, and a mom or a dad."- George W. Bush Laura and I really don't realize how bright our children is sometimes until we get an objective analysis."-George W. Bush I want it to be said that the Bush administration ... will make America what we want it to be—a literate country and a hopefuller country. -- George W. Bush "You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test.'' -George W. Bush "Reading is the basics for all learning."-George W. Bush "Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?"-George W. Bush I can assure you, when I was a senior in high school, I never sat in an audience saying, gosh, if I work hard I'll be President of the United States. - George W. Bush "Sometimes when I sleep at night I think of 'Hop on Pop.'" —George W. Bush ****** Hop Pop we like to hop we like to hop on top of pop
Father,Mother,Sister,Brother That one is my other brother
My brothers read a little bit Little words like if and it. My father can read big words, too. Like Constantinople and Timbuktu."-Dr. Seuss, Hop on Pop, the simplest Seuss for youngest use ***** "One of the great things about books is sometimes there are some fantastic pictures." -George W. Bush
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posted December 22, 2004 09:43 PM
This is so cute! IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2787 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 23, 2004 10:15 AM
By 1973, John Kerry had already accused American soldiers of committing war crimes in Vietnam, thrown someone else's medals to the ground in an anti-war demonstration, and married his first heiress. Ann Coulter Democrats always assure us that deterrence will work, but when the time comes to deter, they're against it. Ann Coulter Democrats couldn't care less if people in Indiana hate them. But if Europeans curl their lips, liberals can't look at themselves in the mirror. Ann Coulter Have we been cryptic? Right-wingers said Clinton was a lying, unscrupulous traveling salesman. It turned out he was a lying, unscrupulous traveling salesman. Now liberals scratch their heads demanding to know: So what was it about him you didn't like? Ann Coulter If John Kerry had a dollar for every time he bragged about serving in Vietnam, oh wait, he does. Ann Coulter If we're so cruel to minorities, why do they keep coming here? Why aren't they sneaking across the Mexican border to make their way to the Taliban? Ann Coulter Liberal soccer moms are precisely as likely to receive anthrax in the mail as to develop a capacity for linear thinking. Ann Coulter Liberals are stalwart defenders of civil liberties - provided we're only talking about criminals. Ann Coulter Liberals become indignant when you question their patriotism, but simultaneously work overtime to give terrorists a cushion for the next attack and laugh at dumb Americans who love their country and hate the enemy. Ann Coulter My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building. Ann Coulter Taxes are like abortion, and not just because both are grotesque procedures supported by Democrats. You're for them or against them. Taxes go up or down; government raises taxes or lowers them. But Democrats will not let the words "abortion" or "tax hikes" pass their lips. Ann Coulter The New York Times editorial page is like a Ouija board that has only three answers, no matter what the question. The answers are: higher taxes, more restrictions on political speech and stricter gun control. Ann Coulter The New York Times ran a Tom Tomorrow cartoon sneering about Americans who believe with 'unwavering faith in an invisible omniscient deity who favors those born in the middle of the North American land mass.' This is how liberals conceive of America: an undifferentiated land mass in the middle of North America. Ann Coulter Usually the nonsense liberals spout is kind of cute, but in wartime their instinctive idiocy is life-threatening. Ann Coulter We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war. Ann Coulter We've finally given liberals a war against fundamentalism, and they don't want to fight it. They would, except it would put them on the same side as the United States. Ann Coulter When contemplating college liberals, you really regret once again that John Walker is not getting the death penalty. We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors. Ann Coulter When we were at peace, Democrats wanted to raise taxes. Now there's a war, so Democrats want to raise taxes. When there was a surplus, Democrats wanted to raise taxes. Now that there is a mild recession, Democrats want to raise taxes. Ann Coulter Whenever a liberal begins a statement with 'I don't know which is more frightening,' you know the answer is going to be pretty clear. Ann Coulter Whether they are defending the Soviet Union or bleating for Saddam Hussein, liberals are always against America. They are either traitors or idiots, and on the matter of America's self-preservation, the difference is irrelevant. Ann Coulter While the form of treachery varies slightly from case to case, liberals always manage to take the position that most undermines American security. Ann Coulter IP: Logged |
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posted December 23, 2004 11:01 AM
Well, I guess that proves it. The woman really is insane. Talk about a knee-jerk reactionary pulling the part line. *sigh* Oh dear.I'm not going to spend much energy defending Mr Kerry. I'm not a fan. But in all fairness, we did commit war crimes in Vietnam, last time I checked anti-war demonstrations were protected by the Constitution, and marrying a heiress was not a crime. A moral lapse in judgement maybe but not a crime. What's her point? What sort of "deterrence" is she looking for? At home or abroad? At home - gun control. Abroad - Yugoslavia. Agreed. Although the Republicans feel the same about the people of Indiana. Of course, if the citizen from Indiana also happens to be a multi-billionaire with a oil-well or two and a few bucks to buy government policy - well, that's a different story. (btw it's could care less, not couldn't care less) All politicians are lying, unscrupulous traveling salesman. duh. Funny! What does she mean "minorities"? Immigrants? Not all immigrants are minorities. My grandparents were English immigrants but they were not minorities. Is she refering only to Mexican immigrants? Legal or illegal? Maybe we need the whole article on this one. That is such a rude overblown generalization I'm going to ignore it. You'd think a "blonde" would know better. Well, in all honesty someone should keep an eye out for abuses in our justice system. We are not barbarians and our criminals should be treated fairly. HBO and and an x-box? no. Freedom from being beaten by your guard? yes. What cushion? Where? Loving your country and hating the enemy. Sounds simple. And it is - for the simple-minded among us. I love my country. I am also aware that my country is not perfect. I hate the enemy. The President and I do not always agree on who the "enemy" is. Is this too complicated for Ms Coulter? That's pretty sick. Once again, its not that simple. Depending on where my money goes, I don't mind paying taxes. Emphasis on first half of sentence. First thing that even remotly makes sense. I think she missed the point on this one. I think its the 3rd bit of advice that really irks people. How rude! How distincly unChristian. That's war, huh? Gosh, thanks for the update. Maybe that's why all those Liberals don't want to get involved in one. War, kinda like marriage , should not be entered into lightly. But once you're in you can't fight like a pussy. So yes, we are responsible for things like Dresden, and yes, we killed civilians. Lots of them. Call me crazy but I feel that if this is done we had better have a damned good reason for doing so. Which brings me back to taxes and where the money goes. If, after the trillions of dollars given the military since WWII, they can't come up with anything better than carpet-bombing, I want my money back. Yeah, that's kinda funny too. I can't bring myself to defend a college Liberal. But they're young, most of them grow out of it. Obviously Walker didn't. Was he a college Liberal? I didn't know that. Same thing with the Young Republicans. Its not normal to be so cynical at such a young age. Not to worry. The real world will cure such ills. But I can't agree with allowing our government to intimidate its citizens by killing some of them. Is she serious? I wonder. The government - whether it be Republican or Democrat - raises taxes. It is the nature of the beast. Do you think Bush doesn't want your money? I never heard any bleating for Saddam Hussein. She's lying again, maybe? Questioning the government may very well undermine the security of the American government but it bolsters the security of the American people. I side with the latter. IP: Logged |
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posted December 23, 2004 11:23 AM
hmmmm could it be??before the dye job and after....(and a thick cake of makeup ) IP: Logged |
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posted December 23, 2004 11:27 AM
Well .. at least the brunette knows enough not to wear fuschia lipstick. eeck.IP: Logged |
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posted December 23, 2004 06:33 PM
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posted December 23, 2004 09:05 PM
Now that's funny! IP: Logged |
Eleanore Moderator Posts: 112 From: Okinawa, Japan Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 23, 2004 09:10 PM
I love the Grinch! Eventually, he did grow an extra large heart, too. There is hope for all the grinches out there!------------------ "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Ghandi IP: Logged |
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posted December 24, 2004 02:50 PM
"I read the report put out by a -- put out by the bureaucracy. I do not support the Kyoto treaty"--GEORGE W. BUSH http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/06/20020604-16.html Q Ari, I just would like to set the record straight on something the President said last week, when he was up at the NSA, when he was asked about the report on global warming by the EPA. He said he read the report. I believe the report is 260-some pages -- he meant he read the full report? MR. FLEISCHER: I think the President -- whenever Presidents say they read it, you can read that to be he was briefed. (Laughter.) Q Frankness. (Laughter.) Q Refreshing. (Laughter.) MR. FLEISCHER: I've enjoyed working here, thank you. (Laughter.) http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/06/20020610-3.html ******* We took a look We saw a Nook. he had a book. On his book was "How to Cook." We saw him sit and try to cook. He took a look at the book on the hook. But a Nook can't read, so a Nook can't cook. SO... what good to a Nook is a hook cook book?--Dr. Seuss, one fish, two fish, red fish, blue fish ******** "There was certainly a very strong sentiment that we're on the right track when it comes to holding people to account who lie, steat or cheal -- lie, cheat or steal (laughter) who defraud people by cooking the books"--GEORGE W. BUSH ********* The key facts in the Harken case are these: Bush sold more than $800,000 worth of stock in Harken in June 1990, two months before the company reported a far larger quarterly loss than investors had anticipated. Millions more in Harken losses had been concealed by suspect accounting of the sale of its subsidiary, Aloha Petroleum, in 1989. The SEC challenged the propriety of this accounting, and in January 1991, seven months after Bush sold his stock, Harken revised its books accordingly, nearly quadrupling the net loss it had reported http://slate.msn.com/?id=2067870 IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 4782 From: The Goober Galaxy Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 25, 2004 06:19 AM
------------------ "Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
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posted December 26, 2004 12:34 AM
"in the corporate world sometimes things aren't exactly black and white when it comes to accounting procedures"---GEORGE W. BUSH ********
Say! Look at his fingers! One, two, three.... How many fingers do I see? One,two three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. He has eleven! Eleven! This is something new. I wish I had eleven, too!--Dr. Seuss, one fish, two fish, red fish, blue fish (Dr. Seuss saw 11's too!!) IP: Logged |
monad Newflake Posts: 0 From: Hastings Hawkes Bay New Zealand Registered: Aug 2009
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posted December 26, 2004 11:52 PM
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaa!IP: Logged |
pidaua Knowflake Posts: 67 From: Back in AZ with Bear the Leo Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 27, 2004 01:34 PM
Ahhhhh...yes, there is something that people hate about a strong, intelligent woman like Ann Coulter.Let's keep this in perspective. She is a writer that states her opinion and backs it up with facts. If you have ever read any of her books you will see that she doesn't put something out there without at least checking 2-5 sources and documenting each and everyone. In her words, and I paraphrase, she feels there is a need for conservative pundits to document the living hell out of every statement as the liberals will tear apart the facts to look for any hint of lies. Yet, the liberals will state opinions as facts and then get angry when they are put to the test. There are times when what Ms. Coulter says is extremely blunt and can be "in your face" offensive, but she is not a politician- she is allowed to make her comments, state her facts and let the chips fall where they may. She has stated that in interviews as well. She is the conservative form of Micheal Moore, but instead of lies she states facts. Instead of making a movie that cannibalizes other's speeches and film clips- she actually puts together a cohesive argument that one can follow and verify.
The fact that people have to pick on the color of her lipstick as being indiciative of her intelligence just demonstrates how petty we've become. That is like picking on the fact that Senator Mikulski looks like a little monkey or Moore's unruly hair makes him stupid. LOL...whatever makes a person feel superior I guess. IP: Logged |
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posted December 27, 2004 01:43 PM
I just think those are funny. I think looking into too much and freaking out about it is kinda silly... and probably the point. Ghani IP: Logged |
Eleanore Moderator Posts: 112 From: Okinawa, Japan Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 27, 2004 04:15 PM
This is just my opinion so nobody get their undergarments in a twist. I don't really care how "educated" or "intelligent" someone is or sounds. People who make derrogatory comments like the ones quoted in this thread sicken me. I find nothing humorous about calling Mexicans "wetbacks" or saying that you regret that McVeigh didn't attack the New York Times Building. It's plain sick. I don't care how many facts you're regurgitating at the same time ... it's inappropriate, it's disgusting, and it reveals you as the hateful person you really are. Having a degree or having facts at your finger tips doesn't automatically make you a good person. The people who think these people are being funny are arguably just as sick. If you find it humorous and permissible to mock others based on race, economic status, religious differences, etc. or find it amusing to consider how many people you "dislike" or "disagree" with would have been murdered had some lunatic attacked them before being stopped ... to "make a point" then it's quite likely you hold some of those same prejudces and/or hatred in your heart and it speaks volumes about you. It's not "tongue in cheek" to me it's more like "head in a$$". Before someone goes on a rant about how "liberals are the same ... neener neener neener", I'd just like to say that I don't listen to any one group about anything. I didn't watch Farenheit 911 an am not a fan of Michael Moore. I don't appreciate the lying and/or hateful crap that comes out of all these people's mouths. I have no desire to listen to a bunch of self-righteous arrogant people spew hateful crap out of their mouths and then be amused at themselves for being so "witty". I don't need someone else to make my mind up for me. I can read and comprehend for myself very well, thank you. So when I see something reported on any news, regardless of the political leanings, I'll double, triple, quadruple, etc. check the facts presented in the stories until I'm satisfied. I simply can't imagine wasting enough of my time to watch what are essentially talk shows about the news on t.v. and listen to "political" talk shows on the radio just to hear other people rant and rave and give their opinions vehemently mixed with some hate and prejudice, and stirred together with a fistful of facts. Sorry, I have better things to do with my time. Doesn't everybody?------------------ "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Ghandi IP: Logged |
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posted December 27, 2004 04:51 PM
... I was talking about the Seuss cartoons, just to clarify...IP: Logged |
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posted December 27, 2004 05:27 PM
I see that tired old horse, "they only hate me because I'm strong and intelligent", has been dragged out yet again. Let's put it to bed, shall we? Whining gives the sisterhood a bad name.And I find it very telling, pidaua, that out of all the things said about Ms Coulter you would pick out the fuschia comment. She's difficult to defend, isn't she? (ps after reading those "intelligent" Coulter qoutes, yes, I do feel mighty superior) IP: Logged |
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posted December 27, 2004 05:37 PM
THIS is an example of "tounge-in-cheek sarcastic wit"...? "Being nice to people is, in fact, one of the incidental tenets of Christianity (as opposed to other religions whose tenets are more along the lines of 'kill everyone who doesn't smell bad and doesn't answer to the name Mohammed'". -ann coulter from her column
i suppose i took it out of context?
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pidaua Knowflake Posts: 67 From: Back in AZ with Bear the Leo Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 28, 2004 02:33 AM
I find that pointing out the "strong and intelligent woman": argument is very applicable in this situation. If we were to ever use it, it would be now. I also stand firmly behind that argument.As far as the lipstick..it is funny how people can see things so differently. I saw her remarks as being extremely blunt and possibly offensive, but nonetheless, her own comments. I found that the statement someone made degrading her intellect based on her lipstick choice to actually prove she could not be reasonably attacked. YOU saw my comment pointing out that lipstick comment as point that proved she was hard to defend. In any case- she is a strong woman. Like her, hate her- it doesn't matter. The lady has her crap together and can prove her points. I do not condone some of her choice of words, but last time I checked we lived in a country where speech is one of our basic freedoms.
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posted December 28, 2004 10:23 AM
C'mon pidaua, it wasn't "someone", it was me. I did not equate her lipstick choice with her lack of intellect or her ability to think clearly. Her own words demonstrate this quite well on their own. Reread the thread - the lipstick comment was posted after petron's post showing two rather amusing pictures.Strong? yeah ok I can see how you would come to that conclusion. Rude, obnoxious. narrow-minded, inconsiderate people are often mistaken for possesing a certain strength. I guess that's just the sort of world we live in. Times and standards change. You said you do not always condone her choice of words. I hoped you did not. You have always seemed to be conscious of racial profiling and racial slurs. What sort of woman do you think Coulter is that she would choose such words? Did her choice of words exhibit strength? A bit more about the fuschia comment. Seems I was only following Coulter's lead.
"as always the pretty girls and cops are on my side" "my pretty-girl allies stick out like a sore thumb, amongst the corn-feed, no make-up, natural fiber, no bra-needing, sandal-wearing, hirsute, somewhat fragrant hippie-chick pie wagons they call 'woman' at the National Democrat Convention" Pid, I know in my heart you are far too intelligent and sensitive to defend this crap. IP: Logged |
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posted January 09, 2005 09:34 PM
"I haven't even met a flaming tight-a$$ed conservative that hated Clinton as much as you hate Bush" - pidaua***** The Blonde Flinging Bombshells at Bill Clinton By Howard Kurtz Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, October 16, 1998 The woman on the bar stool -- long blond hair, short black skirt, spiky heels, chain-smoking Carltons -- looks like she's waiting to be picked up. But Ann Coulter is actually waiting to speak to a conservative gathering at Hunan on Capitol Hill about her favorite topic -- why President Clinton should be impeached. She serves up red meat by the slab, calling Clinton "crazy," "like a serial killer," "creepier and slimier than Kennedy. . . . We're shrugging about this guy using this woman like a dog. . . . He's behaving like some sort of sultan or tin-pot dictator." And in case anyone missed the point, "I just want to get rid of him." On "Equal Time": "We're now at the point that it's beyond whether or not this guy is a horny hick. I really think it's a question of his mental stability. He really could be a lunatic. . . . I think it is a rational question for Americans to ask whether their president is insane." She is annoying," says Democratic strategist Victor Kamber, who often debates her on TV. "She's a very opinionated, black-and-white type person. But I'm as rude as she is. I'll shout just as loud as she will. With Ann, it's much more of a brawl." In the summer of 1996, Coulter, who didn't own a TV until she moved here, became a part-time talking head for MSNBC, the new kid on the cable block. "I was one of their dopey little contributors," she says. "They kept firing me, but then they'd rehire me. People just went mental when they saw a real conservative on TV." Her cutting comments became legendary. While Pamela Harriman's casket was being carried off an airplane, she described the late ambassador as having slept her way to the top. "What she said was so outrageous she was immediately put on probation, and the next one was even worse," an MSNBC official says. Coulter was debating a disabled Vietnam vet when she snapped: "People like you caused us to lose that war." (She says she didn't know the guest, appearing by satellite, was disabled.) That ended her MSNBC career. Coulter later calls a reporter back to share other lowlights from her MSNBC days. She once indirectly referred to Clinton as "white trash." And she was scathing after Princess Diana's death, taking on what she calls "the pathetic loser soccer moms who just wanted to call in and weep about Lady Di." On the romantic front, Coulter seems to flit from one relationship to the next. After moving here, she dated a Democratic Senate staffer whose legislative efforts she opposed. Then she began seeing Bob Guccione Jr., the controversial founder of Spin magazine, until becoming disenchanted in March. Now she's involved with an FBI agent. Once the blonde-ambition tour is over, Coulter plans to do more than just television. "You want to be careful not to become just a blowhard," she says. © Copyright 1998 The Washington Post Company http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/coulter101698.htm "..and next time try to make your own decisions without letting those old fogey lefties and their blow hard diatribes influence you."---pidaua ****** Coulter begins this "witty" column with a reference to the recent beating death of a transportation official in Afghanistan. she was "initially bouyant", thinking norm mineta was the victim.... ********* "According to initial buoyant reports in early February, enraged travelers rose up in a savage attack on the secretary of transportation. Hope was dashed when later reports indicated that the irritated travelers were actually rival warlords, the airport was the Kabul Airport, and Norman Mineta was still with us." It is safe to assume that it was not Mineta's stellar accomplishment of having sat on the House Public Works and Transportation Committee for 18 years that has led both Republican and Democratic presidents to seek his services so ardently. He is given plumb government jobs solely and exclusively because he is a minority. But Secretary Mineta is burning with hatred for America. He has taken the occasion of the most devastating attack on U.S. soil to drone on about how his baseball bat was taken from him as a child headed to one of Franklin Roosevelt's Japanese internment camps. Good God! A guard took Mineta's baseball bat as a child, and as a result he's subjecting all of America to the Bataan Death March! Someone please give him a baseball bat. http://www.anncoulter.org/columns/2002/022802.htm ****** i think i know how she'd like to give that ball bat to him.... ******** "When contemplating college liberals, you really regret once again that John Walker is not getting the death penalty. We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. -" Ann Coulter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Coulter ****** "But what really gets me is when someone from any side takes to shouting, fabricating facts and acting like a primitive cave man / woman. It's intolerable"- pidaua Dr. Sues' Answer: Did the chicken cross the road? Did he cross it with a toad? Yes, the chicken crossed the road, But why it crossed, I've not been told! "This is in no way directed at any lefties here...it was just funny..you can choose to replace Left-wing zealot with right wing nutbar if you choose. "-pidaua
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posted January 18, 2005 10:28 PM
"But make no mistake - as I said earlier - we have high confidence that they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and it is about."- White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, press briefing, April 10, 2003 "Let me repeat...for emphasis. Please take this opportunity to show us your knowledge of history and war planning Petron."--jwhop Q Thank you. You've been careful to avoid saying how long the military strikes in Afghanistan might take place. But can you promise to say how long American -- can you avoid being drawn into a Vietnam-like quagmire in Afghanistan? "We learned some very important lessons in Vietnam. Perhaps the most important lesson that I learned is that you cannot fight a guerrilla war with conventional forces. That's why I've explained to the American people that we're engaged in a different type of war"--president w bush http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/10/20011011-7-index.html "Considering all the equipment and materials that had to be staged and then transported, I'm surprised the date wasn't set even longer before the actual war."-jwhop
"never in the history of America has a president been so vilified as George Bush has been by the far left radicals in America and that while we're in a war that we didn't start"--jwhop "Now Mirandee, you're going to have to use all your fingers and toes in a quest to count the number of months and days between the time Congress authorized the President to use force in Iraq and the day of the invasion of Iraq by coalition forces.Here's the dates....good luck. One clue, it's more than 5 months."--jwhop ******* Woodward reports that just five days after Sept. 11, President Bush indicated to National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice that while he had to do Afghanistan first, he was also determined to do something about Saddam Hussein. Don Rumsfeld has said, ‘This is an opportunity to take out Saddam Hussein, perhaps. We should consider it.’ “And there's this low boil on Iraq until the day before Thanksgiving, Nov. 21, 2001. This is 72 days after 9/11. This is part of this secret history. President Bush, after a National Security Council meeting, takes Don Rumsfeld aside, collars him physically, and takes him into a little cubbyhole room and closes the door and says, ‘What have you got in terms of plans for Iraq? What is the status of the war plan? I want you to get on it. I want you to keep it secret.’" Woodward says immediately after that, Rumsfeld told Gen. Tommy Franks to develop a war plan to invade Iraq and remove Saddam - and that Rumsfeld gave Franks a blank check. ”Rumsfeld and Franks work out a deal essentially where Franks can spend any money he needs. And so he starts building runways and pipelines and doing all the preparations in Kuwait, specifically to make war possible,” says Woodward. “Gets to a point where in July, the end of July 2002, they need $700 million, a large amount of money for all these tasks. And the president approves it. But Congress doesn't know and it is done. They get the money from a supplemental appropriation for the Afghan War, which Congress has approved. …Some people are gonna look at a document called the Constitution which says that no money will be drawn from the Treasury unless appropriated by Congress. Congress was totally in the dark on this." ********
U.S. Decision On Iraq Has Puzzling Past Opponents of War Wonder When, How Policy Was Set By Glenn Kessler Washington Post Staff Writer Sunday, January 12, 2003; Page A01 On Sept. 17, 2001, six days after the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, President Bush signed a 2½-page document marked "TOP SECRET" that outlined the plan for going to war in Afghanistan as part of a global campaign against terrorism.
Almost as a footnote, the document also directed the Pentagon to begin planning military options for an invasion of Iraq, senior administration officials said. The previously undisclosed Iraq directive is characteristic of an internal decision-making process that has been obscured from public view. Over the next nine months, the administration would make Iraq the central focus of its war on terrorism without producing a rich paper trail or record of key meetings and events leading to a formal decision to act against President Saddam Hussein, according to a review of administration decision-making based on interviews with more than 20 participants. Instead, participants said, the decision to confront Hussein at this time emerged in an ad hoc fashion. Often, the process circumvented traditional policymaking channels as longtime advocates of ousting Hussein pushed Iraq to the top of the agenda by connecting their cause to the war on terrorism. With the nation possibly on the brink of war, the result of this murky process continues to reverberate today: tepid support for military action at the State Department, muted concern in the military ranks of the Pentagon and general confusion among relatively senior officials -- and the public -- about how or even when the policy was decided. Only later did it become clear that the president already had made up his mind. In July, the State Department's director of policy planning, Richard N. Haass, held a regular meeting with Rice and asked whether they should talk about the pros and cons of confronting Iraq. Don't bother, Rice replied: The president has made a decision. © 2003 The Washington Post Company http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A43909-2003Jan11?language=printer ********* January 16, 2003 Q Is the President confident that the March 27th U.N. inspector report, that that date would get cancelled? And is he going to decide in the next couple weeks about whether or not to go to war? MR. FLEISCHER: -- events will dictate the timetable. And the President has not made any decisions about whether we go or will not go to war. "What, you mean there are people who think the Prez calls up the Joint Chiefs and tells them to invade...tomorrow"--jwhop "I remember sitting in the White House, looking at those generals, saying, do you have what you need in this war? Do you have what it takes? I remember going down in the basement of the White House the day we committed our troops -- as last resort -- looking at Tommy Franks and the generals on the ground, asking them, do we have the right plan with the right troop level?"--president w bush "Remember when the sky was falling, the troops were bogged down, the war plan was a failure, the Iraqi resistance was greater than anticipated and it was said this would be a long war? Remember? Remember it was all BS?"--jwhop "When the roadside bombs began going off, the military started ordering armored Humvees and armored replacement panels for those already in the field"--jwhop IP: Logged | |