posted February 02, 2005 01:25 AM              

i saw a piece on all these events on foxnews once....wish i could find it , it would fit the theme best...

maybe theres more there at newsmax but i just cant find it hidden amongst all the ads for hair regrowth formulas, get rich quick schemes, and pheramones that attract women even to complete losers......

posted February 02, 2005 01:36 AM            

There is no shortage of left leaning weenies who oppose America Petron. Richard Sanders is only one of many willing to lie and slander to achieve their political ends.

Let me help you out here. BTW, have you ever had an original thought Petron. You keep telling us what all your drivel artists think. What do you think? Can you put any of your own thoughts on the screen?

posted February 02, 2005 01:49 AM              

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posted February 02, 2005 02:27 AM              

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posted February 02, 2005 03:00 AM            

Statement of Mr. John Kerry
"There are all kinds of atrocities and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free-fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50-caliber machine guns which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search-and-destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare...

posted February 02, 2005 09:01 PM              

Fritz needs Fred and Fred needs Fritz.
Fritz feeds Fred and Fred feeds Fritz.
Fred feeds Fritz with ritzy Fred food.
Fritz feeds Fred with ritzy Fritz food.
And Fritz, when fed, has often said,
"I'm a Fred-fed Fritz.
Fred's a Fritz-fed Fred."

posted February 03, 2005 12:06 PM              

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posted February 04, 2005 05:54 PM            

Haven't felt like this, my dear,
since can't remember when,
It's been a loooong, loooong time.

You'll never know how many dreams I dreamed about you,
Or just how empty they all seemed without you.

posted February 04, 2005 06:47 PM            

In one of the grandest events in the history of the world, millions of Iraqis risked death on Sunday to vote in a free, democratic election. There were more than 100 attacks on polling stations by the "insurgents" (or "Islamic fascists," as authentic Americans call them). But the Iraqis voted –- Shia, Sunnis, women and an estimated 2,000 dead felons in Washington state.

Democrats haven't been this depressed since we captured Saddam Hussein.

On "Meet the Press," the Democrats' erstwhile presidential candidate, Sen. John Kerry, questioned the legitimacy of the election, saying, "(I)t's hard to say that something is legitimate when a whole portion of the country can't vote and doesn't vote."

Kerry warned Americans not to "overhype this election" — and if there's one guy who's good at calming down excited voters, it's John Kerry. Apparently, word didn't get out to the Iraqis, who were dancing and singing in the streets. (Isn't it great to see Muslims celebrating something other than the slaughter of Americans?)

Kerry's main advice to Bush was to reach out to the French. Curiously, this is also the Democrats' plan for fixing Social Security, dealing with North Korea and controlling the budget deficit: Reach out to the French!

Most amusingly, Kerry repeatedly quoted himself, as if he had called this one ball, shot and pocket: "You may recall that back in — well, there's no reason you would —but back in Fulton, Mo., during the campaign, I laid out four steps ..." (at that point the cameraman nodded off and NBC abruptly cut to color bars).

I remember what Kerry said during the campaign! What he and his fellow Democratic towel-biters said was that this election wasn't going to happen.

Kerry specifically addressed the scheduled Iraqi elections in his closing statement at the first presidential debate, saying: "They can't have an election right now. The president's not getting the job done." (Kerry's a genius! He won the debate!)

A few weeks later, his campaign manager, Mary Beth Cahill, said: "It's not safe enough to have elections, which are scheduled in January. There is no way that people could go to the polls in that country right now."

In order to have free elections, apparently we would have to ... reach out to the French! "The Kerry plan," Cahill said, "would be to have an international consensus, not to go it alone, to get other countries into Iraq with us, so that we could carry out elections and we could move Iraq to be a free nation."

And yet we somehow managed to have a free election in Iraq without the French.

In September, former president and Nobel Peace Prize-winner Jimmy Carter said on NBC's "Today": "I personally do not believe they're going to be ready for the election in January ... because there's no security there."

Democrat moneyman George Soros said in a speech to the National Press Club last fall: "All my experience ... has taught me that democracy cannot be imposed by military means." (But see: Germany, Japan, Nicaragua, Afghanistan and El Salvador.) Of course Soros' "experience" consists mostly of liberating billions of dollars from the captivity of other people's bank accounts. He's a regular Douglas MacArthur, that Soros guy.

Expressing his faith in the Iraqi people, Soros continued: "Iraq would be the last place I would choose for an experiment in introducing democracy." All those blue-inked fingers were the Iraqi people giving Soros the finger.

Also taking his cue on world politics from Janeane Garofalo, last September U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan said he doubted there would be elections in January, saying, "You cannot have credible elections if the security conditions continue as they are now" — although he may have been referring here to a possible vote of the U.N. Security Council.

Robert Fisk of The Independent (UK) told an audience in October 2004: "The chances of (January) elections are fading faster than water running into the desert." He said it was a "lie" that the allies were creating "an oasis of democracy with its center in Iraq." Remind me not to ask Fisk who he likes in the Super Bowl.

The Economist magazine said that until security in Iraq improves, "reconstruction will stall — and the hopes of Messrs. Allawi and Bush for a decent election, enabling a strong and legitimate government to take over, will continue to look uncertain to be fulfilled."

In October, Nicholas Lemann was a whirlwind of bad news about Iraq, writing in The New Yorker: "The U.S. military in Iraq has started trying to take back areas of the country now controlled by insurgents, and it may not be safe enough there for the scheduled elections to be held in January." Somehow he failed to add, "Also, by mid-March live rhesus monkeys may be flying out of my butt."

Amid his litany of bad news, Lemann said: "It is difficult to find anybody in Washington, in either party, who will seriously defend Bush's management of Iraq."

Fortunately, last Sunday, President Bush found 8 million people — outside of Washington — to seriously defend his management of Iraq.

posted February 04, 2005 10:25 PM              

They do it each night. And quite often I wonder
How they do this big job without making a blunder.
But that is their problem.
Not yours. And not mine.
The point is: They're going to bed.
And that's fine.

Dr. Seuss's Sleep book

*****

quote:

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Hello, Hello, pull it out, pull it out...like a good Boy Scout.--jwhop

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posted February 04, 2005 10:59 PM              

ewww mother f*ckers butt ugly. actually they are all ugly even the democrat

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posted February 06, 2005 12:43 AM              

Ambuhl said, however, that Graner was with her in the guard's office when the masturbation and oral sex incidents occurred in a hallway. She said she and Graner later returned and saw what was going on.
Regarding Graner's reaction, she told defense lawyer Capt. Jay Heath, "I think he was surprised by it, sir."
Her testimony lined up with that of Pvt. Ivan Frederick, who also made a plea deal in the case. Frederick, formerly a staff sergeant, admitted Monday that he instigated the masturbation and oral sex acts and that Graner was not present.
Ambuhl testified that intelligence officers directed the prison's guards to rough up and sexually humiliate detainees, and that the guards were praised for their efforts.
Another time, she said, two military intelligence officers told Graner to physically abuse a prisoner in a shower.
The prosecution tried to undercut Ambuhl's testimony by revealing that she and Graner had a sexual relationship beginning after the alleged abuses.
Holley also got her to admit that she used a software program to erase incriminating photos from her computer's hard drive, and that afterward she lied to an investigator by saying the computer didn't have to be searched because it was new.
"When necessary, you can tell a lie, can't you?" Holley asked.
"Yes, sir," Ambuhl said.
Ambuhl is the second member of the 372nd Military Police Company to admit having a physical relationship with Graner. He is believed to have fathered a baby with Pfc. Lynndie England, who is awaiting trial on Abu Ghraib charges http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/2990249
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At the trial, military prosecutors have presented evidence not seen before in public from Abu Ghraib, including a video of forced group masturbation and a picture of a woman prisoner ordered to show her breasts. http://www.thestar.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=132&fArticleId=2370742
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Oh, the jobs people work at!
Out west, near Hawtch-Hawtch,
there's a Hawtch-Hawtcher Bee-Watcher.
His job is to watch....
is to keep both his eyes on the lazy town bee.
A bee that is watched will work harder, you see.

Well....he watched and he watched.
But, in spite of his watch,
that bee didn't work any harder, not mawtch.

Dr. Seuss "Did I ever tell you how lucky you are?"

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Guard Convicted In the First Trial From Abu Ghraib
Graner Faces 15 Years for Abusing Iraqis

No officer at Abu Ghraib, and no one higher in the chain of command, has faced criminal charges to date.
That discrepancy became the core defense argument at the court-martial. Defense attorney Guy Womack reiterated the point in closing arguments Friday. "The government is asking a corporal to take the hit for them," Womack said.
"The chain of command says, 'We didn't know anything about this stuff,' " he continued. "You know that is a lie."
Inmates and U.S. soldiers testified that Army guards regularly beat the prisoners with fists or iron rods, forced them to eat food from a toilet, confronted them with unmuzzled police dogs, and made them wallow naked in the mud outside in near-freezing temperatures.
Sexual humiliation was another common practice on One-Alpha, witnesses said. Naked men were required to masturbate and to simulate homosexual sex, while female American soldiers were instructed by officers to take pictures and shout abuse
The abuse was photographed by the guards. The pictures were posted on the walls and on the office computer screen.
Graner and other guards e-mailed the photos to family and friends, a practice that drew conflicting explanations at the trial.
Womack, the defense lawyer, responded that Graner's sending the photos to friends proved "he was sure he was doing exactly what the chain of command wanted him to do."
Testimony at Graner's trial -- the first full court-martial to probe the prison scandal -- suggested that numerous officers were aware of the goings-on in cellblock One-Alpha. On Nov. 16, 2003, after most of the specific incidents for which Graner was tried, a superior officer informed Graner in writing that "You are doing a fine job. . . . You have received many accolades from the chain of command and particularly from Lt. Col. Jordan." Lt. Col. Steven Jordan was the chief intelligence officer at the prison, and during this week's court-martial the Army said he is under investigation in connection with the scandal.
In Womack's final argument to the jury Friday, the lawyer blasted the government for "hiding" the role of superior officers. "Not one witness from the chain of command came to this proceeding," he said. "Do you think the prosecutors just forgot to call those officers?" http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A9343-2005Jan14.html
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He said Graner had once jumped on his leg, wounded by gunshot, so hard that it failed to heal straight. He then beat it with a collapsible metal baton, Al-Sheikh testified.
"You cannot imagine," he said, asked whether it had hurt. "I cried."
Graner watched as another soldier urinated on Al-Sheikh, the prisoner testified, and Graner made another detainee eat from a toilet. He threatened to rape them and their wives, and made them eat pork and make statements against their Muslim faith, Al-Sheikh said.
"Graner told me to thank Jesus for keeping me alive," said Al-Sheikh. http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/01/12/MNG9RAOQ051.DTL

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So then somebody said,
"Our old bee-watching man
just isn't bee-watching as hard as he can.
He ought to be watched by another Hawtch-Hawtcher!
The thing that we need
is a Bee-Watcher-Watcher!"

Dr. Seuss "Did I ever tell you how lucky you are?"
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Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller commanded the US detention facilities at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba and is currently in command of the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

september 9
Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller, commander of the prison at Guantanamo Bay,Cuba, completes review of detention procedures in Iraq. He recommends guards be subordinate to intelligence officials conducting interrogations and that the guards handle prisoners in a way that "sets the conditions for the successful interogation and exploitation of (them)." http://www.usatoday.com/news/graphics/abu_ghraib/flash.htm
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Miller has denied that any systemic abuse occurred at Gitmo. And he has insisted that he only intended for members of the military police (MPs) at Abu Ghraib to play a "passive" role by passing on information about prisoners to interrogators with Military Intelligence (MI).
But a number of MPs at Abu Ghraib have said that MI interrogators encouraged them to soften up prisoners with physically and psychologically abusive practices.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5052743/site/newsweek/
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In his final report on the prison abuse, General Antonio Taguba blamed Miller's recommendations for the abuse at Abu Ghraib, and noted that using military police for interrogation was a breach of official policy. Miller denies that he was specifically ordering guards to humiliate and torture prisoners to get confessions out of them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoffrey_Miller_(MG)

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Attorney General Alberto Gonzales

Throughout six tense hours of questioning in a packed hearing room at the Capitol on Thursday, Mr Gonzales repeatedly insisted that Mr Bush had never authorised the use of torture. However, he conceded playing a key role in soliciting legal advice from the Department of Justice that greatly expanded the ability of CIA and military interrogators to use harsh techniques on suspects.
In August 2002 the Justice Department sent Mr Gonzales legal advice that strictly limited the definition of torture to pain that accompanied "serious physical injury such as organ failure, impairment of body functions or even death".
The advice also stated Mr Bush had the authority to override US criminal laws against torture and delegate that power.
This advice has been widely condemned by US senators, military lawyers and human rights advocates, who say it led to serious abuses tantamount to torture in Guantanamo Bay, Afghanistan and Iraq. The White House was forced to withdraw the advice after it was leaked in the wake of the Abu Ghraib prison torture scandal.
Two weeks ago, shortly before Mr Gonzales was due to appear before the senators, the Justice Department put out a new legal opinion that dropped the controversial definition of torture.
http://smh.com.au/text/articles/2005/01/07/1104832306148.html?oneclick=true

the law firm Gonzales worked for in Texas, Vinson and Elkins, represented Enron, and the company gave Gonzales $6,500 in campaign contributions for his 2000 run for re-election to the Texas Supreme Court

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January 29, 2005
Security Nominee Gave Advice to the C.I.A. on Torture Laws
By DAVID JOHNSTON, NEIL A. LEWIS and DOUGLAS JEHL
WASHINGTON, Jan. 28 - Michael Chertoff, who has been picked by President Bush to be the homeland security secretary, advised the Central Intelligence Agency on the legality of coercive interrogation methods on terror suspects under the federal anti-torture statute, current and former administration officials said this week.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/29/pol itics/29home.html?ei=5065&en=01658142f25e5e21&ex=1107579600&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print&position=

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The Bee-Watcher-Watcher watched the Bee-Watcher.
He didn't watch well. So another Hawtch-Hawtcher
had to come in as a Watch-Watcher-Watcher!
And today all the Hawtchers who live in Hawtch-Hawtch
are watching on Watch-Watcher-Watchering watch,
Watch-Watching the Watcher who's watching that bee.
You're not a Hawtch-Watcher. You're lucky, you see!

Dr. Seuss "Did I ever tell you how lucky you are?"

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Rumsfeld gave go-ahead for Abu Ghraib tactics, says general in charge
By Julian Coman in Washington
(Filed: 04/07/2004)
Gen Karpinski was interviewed for four hours by Maj- Gen Antonio Taguba, who was ordered to investigate abuse at Abu Ghraib and produced a damning report, which heavily criticised Gen Karpinski for a lack of leadership at the prison.
During inquiries into the scandal, she has repeatedly maintained that the treatment of Iraqi detainees was taken out of her hands by higher-ranking officials, acting on orders from Washington.
"Since all this came out," she replied, "I've not only seen, but I've been asked about some of those documents, that he [Mr Rumsfeld] signed and agreed to." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/07 /04/wtort04.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/07/04/ixnewstop.html

"Saddam Hussein now sits in a prison cell, and Iraqi men and women are no longer carried to torture chambers and rape rooms …"—Bush, remarks on "Winston Churchill and the War on Terror,"

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April 4, 2003
Life Under Saddam Hussein
According to a 2001 Amnesty International report, "victims of torture in Iraq are subjected to a wide range of forms of torture.... severe beatings and electric shocks... some victims have died as a result and many have been left with permanent physical and psychological damage." http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/04/20030404-1.html

Knox on box

First, I'll make a
quick trick brick stack.
Then I'll make a
quick trick block stack

You can make a
quick trick chick stack.
You can make a
quick trick clock stack.

And here's a
new trick, Mr. Knox..
Socks on chicks
and chicks on fox,
Fox on clocks
on bricks and blocks.
Bricks and blocks
on Knox on box.

Dr. Seuss 'Fox in Socks"

"This is no different than what happens at the Skull and Bones initiation."--Rush Limbaugh

Sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4894001/
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CIA contractor charged in prisoner's death
By Toni Locy, USA TODAY

WASHINGTON — A contractor for the CIA was charged Thursday in connection with the beating death of a prisoner in Afghanistan. It is the first criminal case brought in civilian courts in the scandal over alleged mistreatment of prisoners in U.S. military custody in Afghanistan or Iraq.
According to the indictment, the Afghan, Abdul Wali, was suspected of participating in rocket attacks on the Asadabad base in Kunar province, where al-Qaeda and Taliban fighters remain active.
Passaro, a former Army Special Forces medic, allegedly began interrogating Wali on June 19. Over the next two days, the grand jury said, Passaro used his hands, feet and a large flashlight to beat Wali.

Wali's death is one of three that the CIA has asked the Justice Department to investigate. The other two occurred in Iraq. The Defense Department has asked Justice officials to investigate a fourth case involving allegations of abuse of a prisoner by a civilian contractor.
The Army has investigated the deaths of 37 prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan and is focusing on eight of them as "suspicious." http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-06-17-abuse-charges_x.htm

posted February 06, 2005 01:34 AM              

Time for Bush to Talk About Torture?

By Dan Froomkin
Special to washingtonpost.com
Tuesday, January 25, 2005; 11:11 AM

Two sobering news reports today suggest that while Saddam Hussein's torture chambers may indeed be closed, some Iraqis continued to be abused under new management.

It's a jarring counterpoint to President Bush's second inaugural address, in which he spoke so passionately of the role of the United States in advancing liberty and freedom across the globe.

So maybe now would be a good time for Bush to publicly clarify his views on liberty, and on torture, and on whether they can coexist.

Unpunished Brutality

R. Jeffrey Smith and Josh White write in The Washington Post about newly released Army documents chronicling many more alleged acts of brutality and abuse of Iraqis at the hands of military personnel, none of which resulted in criminal charges.

"The newly released reports detail allegations similar to those that surrounded the documented abuse at Abu Ghraib -- such as beatings with rifle butts, prolonged hooding, sodomy, electric shocks, stressful shackling, and the repeated withholding of clothing and food -- but they also encompass alleged offenses at military prisons and checkpoints elsewhere in Iraq."

Is it possible the White House didn't know? No, apparently that's not it. Somebody over there at least knew about at least one of these newly disclosed cases.

Smith and White write: "Another case involved a 73-year-old Iraqi woman who was captured by members of the Delta Force special unit and alleged that she was robbed of money and jewels before being confined for days without food or water -- all in an effort to force her to disclose the location of her husband and son. Delta Force's Task Force 20 was assigned to capture senior Iraqi officials.

"She said she was also stripped and humiliated by a man who 'straddled her . . . and attempted to ride her like a horse' before hitting her with a stick and placing it in her anus. The case, which attracted the attention of senior Iraqi officials and led to an inquiry by an unnamed member of the White House staff, was closed without a conclusion."

There's a string of redacted e-mails in the file on that case in which military officials discuss the White House's interest.

One officer writes to another: "Any update? I realize you are doing your best; however MOI [Ministry of Interior] guys are under a lot of pressure from the White House. . . . Any information you have on progress would help placate those that are seeking the answers and keep the pressure off us."

The other officer asks: "When you say White House, what exactly are you referring to?"

The first officer replies: "When I say the White House, I mean that this request is being handled by the President's personal staff. This request was forwarded to the President from Prime Minister [redacted]'s office. [Redacted] Special Assistant [redacted] has taken a personal interest in this woman and her case."

But that investigation, like the others, did not result in any criminal charges. I wonder if Special Assistant [redacted] ever mentioned that to anyone higher in the chain of command.
"Twenty months after Saddam Hussein's government was toppled and its torture chambers unlocked, Iraqis are again being routinely beaten, hung by their wrists and shocked with electrical wires, according to a report by a human rights organization.

"Iraqi police, jailers and intelligence agents, many of them holding the same jobs they had under Hussein, are 'committing systematic torture and other abuses' of detainees, Human Rights Watch said in a report to be released Tuesday."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A35221-2005Jan25.html

posted February 18, 2005 12:28 AM              

AP: Iraqi Died While Hung From Wrists

Thu Feb 17, 3:58 PM ET

By SETH HETTENA, Associated Press Writer

SAN DIEGO - An Iraqi whose corpse was photographed with grinning U.S. soldiers at Abu Ghraib died under CIA (news - web sites) interrogation while in a position condemned by human rights groups as torture — suspended by his wrists, with his hands cuffed behind his back, according to reports reviewed by The Associated Press.

The death of the prisoner, Manadel al-Jamadi, became known last year when the Abu Ghraib prison scandal broke. The U.S. military said back then that the death had been ruled a homicide. But the exact circumstances under which the man died were not disclosed at the time.
The prisoner died in a position known as "Palestinian hanging," the documents reviewed by The AP show. It is unclear whether that position was approved by the Bush administration for use in CIA interrogations.
The spy agency, which faces congressional scrutiny over its detention and interrogation of terror suspects at the Baghdad prison and elsewhere, declined to comment for this story, as did the Justice Department (news - web sites).
Al-Jamadi was one of the CIA's "ghost" detainees at Abu Ghraib — prisoners being held secretly by the agency.
His death in November 2003 became public with the release of photos of Abu Ghraib guards giving a thumbs-up over his bruised and puffy-faced corpse, which had been packed in ice. One of those guards was Pvt. Charles Graner, who last month received 10 years in a military prison for abusing detainees.
Al-Jamadi died in a prison shower room during about a half-hour of questioning, before interrogators could extract any information, according to the documents, which consist of statements from Army prison guards to investigators with the military and the CIA's Inspector General's office.
The Washington Post reported last year that after the Abu Ghraib scandal broke, the CIA suspended the use of its "enhanced interrogation techniques," including stress positions, because of fears that the agency could be accused of unsanctioned and illegal activity. The newspaper said the White House had approved the tactics.

According to the statements:

posted February 18, 2005 12:29 AM              

"Such as Howard Dean's declaration that Bush was tipped off by the Saudi's. That was a clear lie that he won't apologize for stating"--jwhop

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Howard Dean: "Yes there is a report which the president is suppressing evidence for, which is a thorough investigation of 911.

Diane Rehm: "Why do you think he is suppressing that report?

Howard Dean: "I don't know. There are many theories about it. The most interesting theory that I've heard so far -- which is nothing more than a theory, it can't be proved -- is that he was warned ahead of time by the Saudis. Now who knows what the real situation is? But the trouble is, by suppressing that kind of information, you lead to those kind of theories, whether they have any truth to them or not, and eventually, they get repeated as fact. So I think the president is taking a great risk by suppressing the key information that needs to go to the Kean Commission."

posted February 18, 2005 12:34 AM              

3. The United States provided the Government of Iraq with "dual use" licensed materials which assisted in the development of Iraqi chemical, biological, and missile- system programs, including 6)

chemical warfare agent precursors;
chemical warfare agent production facility plans and technical drawings
chemical warhead filling equipment;
biological warfare related materials;
missile fabrication equipment; and,
missile-system guidance equipment.
http://www.chronicillnet.org/pgws/tuite/2NDINDEX.HTM

"My friends," he announced in a voice clear and keen,
"My name is Sylvester McMonkey McBean.
And I've heard of your troubles. I've heard you're unhappy.
I've come here to help you. I have what you need.
And my prices are low. And I work at great speed.
And my work is one hundred per cent guaranteed!"
Dr. Seuss--"The Sneetches"

posted February 18, 2005 03:13 AM            

Precursors are common items for the most part used in the manufacturing process for such things as pesticides...for instance.

The rest is utter bull$hit Petron. Filling equipment has many uses...from filling cosmetic bottles to Coke bottles to baked beans cans. No government would proscribe the sale by manufacturers of such equipment.

Biological reference samples are sold by the CDC and other labs to nations around the world...for medical research purposes. I know you would like to suggest the US sold Saddam weaponized biologicals but that would be a damned lie too and you know it.

Manufacturing metal working presses and other shaping equipment are commonly sold by manufacturers around the world. Presses, metal shears, welding equipment and shapers can be used for a variety of purposes but you would like to say the US government was involved in selling Saddam equipment specifically designed to shape missiles. That's Bull$hit too and you know it.

In fact, from what I've seen of your decidedly anti US posts, most of it is Bull$hit . Again, I invite you to move away from here Petron. You're never going to be happy here. The tide has already turned in America...and the Marxist Bull$hit is on the ash heap of history, where it always belonged.

Howard Dean is a liar. His intent was to raise the issue that Bush knew in advance about 9/11 and won't release the report. More Bull$hit Petron. You aren't getting it both ways. Bush cannot be both a conspirator in 9/11 and also the man who was caught flat footed by the attack and sat in that classroom in Florida...as the bloated buffoon Michael Moore suggest...in a daze.

Frankly Petron, as long as there are people like you, Michael Moore, George Soros, Ward Churchill, Nicholas De Genova, Dan Rather Eason Jordan and the rest of the crazed loons of the left Democrat establishment making constant, illogical, unreasonable accusations against America and the President, you will have a hand in driving America to the Right. In short, your message doesn't sell in America...not anymore.