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jwhop
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From: Madeira Beach, FL USA
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posted January 31, 2005 12:21 PM
  
Eleanore  Well DUH!!!!!!!!  You did notice the period between these 2 separate statements....or did you?
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We can go to school to learn or goof off. We can learn some marketable skills...or not.
The idea you seem to be attempting to convey is that all those people dropped out of school and were just sitting around on the sofa with their feet up on the coffee table watching "As The World Turns" when the universe suddenly stepped in and made them instant blinding successes. Right? I know you must be absolutely right that those people were/are know nothings, do nothings and their success simply descended upon them like a mantle from out of the blue because they were born with no marketable skills and never bothered to develop any. Now, which one(s) of the listed individuals DID NOT learn a marketable skill? Surely, you jest by putting Princess Diana on that list? Make that the former Lady Diana, daughter of the Earl Spencer. Educated at: Riddlesworth Hall in Norfolk, West Heath and Institut Alpin Videmanette in Rougemont, Switzerland. Incredible....meaning, not credible. Tapes for sale
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Eleanore
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posted January 31, 2005 04:17 PM
No, jwhop. You presented an argument of parallels. 1 good, 1 bad, 1 good, 1 bad, etc.
BTW, if you knew much about these people, you'd know that plenty of them did live a good portion of their life in poverty before achieving financial success. Did their "bad choices" lead them to poverty initially? Look at Lincoln. He spent 17 years of his life working odd jobs and paying off his debts. He became President at 50. Were his "bad decisions" responsible for his lack of success until then? Did he miraculously wake up one day and make a "good decision" and then start working towards it? No. He worked his whole life, struggling with finances, before achieving success. That's the part you don't mention. Yes, it is possible to "pick yourself up" (nevermind how you got "down" in the first place, right?) but plenty of people are poor while they're working on picking themselves up. Do you understand yet? So for you to suggest that people are poor because they don't go to school, goof off, do not learn marketable skills, and/or take 8 hour coffee breaks is completely ignorant. You forget the transition phase in your simple plan for success. You forget that circumstances, like being born into poverty, have a lot to do with whether or not you're poor. Yes, many people work hard and make money later on in their lives, but you forget the poverty they contended with while working hard to get out of it. Maybe it's easier for you to ignore that time of struggle in the lives of poor people ... it's certainly easier to think that they're just poor because they made "bad decisions" in their lives. Yes, all the children living in poverty sure made some terribly bad choices, huh? ------------------
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jwhop
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From: Madeira Beach, FL USA
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posted February 01, 2005 11:18 PM
I didn't forget anything Eleanore.Nor did I make an argument of parallels, it's about contrasts. There is a school of astrological thought that says we do choose our parents and our life situation. But that had nothing to do with what I said about making choices. Every person on your list continued to strive for improvement, none gave up. I know quite a lot about Lincoln, including the fact he continued to pick himself up after every failure and continued his education. He only had to succeed once to influence America's future. Success, failure and prosperity are relative terms but I stand by my original comment. There are plenty of enablers who will assist those determined to fail/give up and/or become wards of the state. I'm not one of them.
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All it takes to fail in America is to sit on one's $ss, ignore every rule of success, ignore all the educational opportunities and whine about how unfair it is that to prosper in America, one needs to acquire a saleable/marketable skill or product.
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Eleanore
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posted February 02, 2005 09:13 AM
You are forgetting that plenty of the people that you say are poor because they didn't go to school, didn't learn marketable skills, goofed off, and/or took 8 hour coffee breaks ... are poor because they were born into it. And they are poor while working hard to get out of it. What is it you don't understand about that? That there is a process, while you are still poor, during which you work hard to no longer be poor. So no, jwhop, not everyone is poor because they didn't go to school. Not everyone is poor because they didn't learn marketable skills. Not everyone is poor because they goofed off. Not everyone is poor because they take 8 hour coffee breaks at work. Alot of people are poor when they are born and then, while still poor , work very, very hard to achieve financial stability. Don't you understand that a good number of poor people will not be poor for the rest of their lives? Do you not see how individual circumstances could somehow make it so that it takes someone the majority of their life to achieve financial stability, like Lincoln? You said it. There were plenty of failures. Yes, he kept trying. But he failed alot. Was his failure, which kept him struggling for money, due soley to the reasons you outlined for poverty? No. He was a hardworking man his whole life. And it took him the better part of his life to achieve success. So, imagine yourself back in Lincoln's time, observing this poor man struggling with poverty and failures for so many years ... would you place him into your poverty pigeon-hole for those 49 years of his life and then magically grant him understanding of his hardships once he achieved success? So while he was poor he "made bad decisions that lead to his poverty" but then when he achieved success you could then, and only then, admit what he had accomplished through hard work (but just ignore the fact that he worked hard while he was poor)?
Get real, jwhop. It's insulting to every hardworking poor person for you to say that they're poor solely for the reasons you outlined. Or is that it? You simply don't believe that poor people can be hardworking? Well, at least not until they're financially successful? ------------------
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Atlantic Myst
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posted February 02, 2005 12:12 PM
Don't bother with her Ele she is canadian she doesn't live here so she can't say anything.------------------
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proxieme
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posted February 02, 2005 12:31 PM
AM - What are you talking about?Jwhop's a dude, an old dude (no offense, jwhop), who lives in Florida. As far as I know he was born and raised in the US o' A and served in either the National Guard or the Reserve (I honestly can't remember which). Are you sure you're not thinking of pixelpixie?
____________________________________ And, just so I don' t feel compelled to bother with this subject any more, I'm going to post what I'm sure will follow:
--- Atlantic Mist - SHUT UP YOU F*CKIN' LESBIAN FASCIST NAZI!!! WHY DON'T YOU GO KILL SOME BABIES, YOU RETARDED ANTI-CHRIST SUPPORTER! ---
proxieme - *messenger, being shot, falls off horse*
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jwhop
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posted February 02, 2005 01:03 PM
Proxime  However proxi, "old dude"? Let's just say distinguished and highly experienced.
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Eleanore
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posted February 02, 2005 03:31 PM
How about vintage?*** But seriously, AM, what's wrong with Canadians? ------------------
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Petron
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posted February 02, 2005 08:22 PM
Get Sick In The US, You Might Go BankruptBy Staff
Feb 2, 2005, 18:14
If you get ill in the United States, you just might go bankrupt. A Harvard University study found that about half of all personal bankruptcies in America are caused by illness and medical bills.
http://www.halifaxlive.com/artman/publish/medical_bankruptcy_020205_38944.shtml
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26taurus
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posted February 02, 2005 09:37 PM
HOLY SHITE!!! Proxime, MAO And I dont believe pixelpixie would be too happy to find out she's been mixed up with jwhop. ROFL
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Atlantic Myst
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posted February 02, 2005 11:01 PM
No it was actually Jwhop. LOL Jwhop funny how your location is listed in your profile all of a sudden.
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pixelpixie
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posted February 07, 2005 09:21 AM
This was funny. Thanks maklhouf for bringing it to my attention.
Can't say that I am offended to be mixing with Mr.Jwhop. He and I have a history with textiles of various hem progressions.
*snuggles up to jwhop..purrrrrrs*Prox~ AM~ What would lead you to believe jwhop was Canadian? And why on earth if he were, would he be so opinionated about life outside his own country?
And further, what is it to you? Sometimes you seek opinions from an outside source to gain a different perspective.
*note.. that source isn't usually one's own ass... I know that's where you find yours....
I have come to the conclusion that you don't actually read the posts before you decide to scratch someone's eyes out. You simply form a really strange opinion, say it and then barrage peeps with insults if they call you on your idiocy. IP: Logged |
jwhop
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posted February 07, 2005 04:54 PM
Atlantic Myst, someone has to work hard to be as mistaken as you are about virtually everything. I'm not a woman, I don't live in Canada and you're not a Gemini/Cancer.  IP: Logged |
jwhop
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posted February 07, 2005 06:44 PM
Funny you should mention hem progressions pixie  Here, let me shorten that for you. I'm researching a book....basically when hemlines are long, business activity and the stock market go down too. Witness the roaring 20's; short dresses and roaring business activity...including the stock market. 1929 saw hemlines go down and the beginning of a depression. 1960's saw flat economic activity and the same for the stock market due to all those peaceniks wearing floor length dresses . 80's and 90's, short dresses, stock market running wild and business activity too. I'm working on a new article to send the stock market roaring up to 50,000. Think I'll call it the Wee-Mini. No drawings yet but it's Leather...of course. Your choice, white or black. Want one? IP: Logged |
Petron
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posted February 07, 2005 07:08 PM
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jwhop
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posted February 07, 2005 09:53 PM
Yes, up  the market with a zero hemline mini IP: Logged | |
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