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jwhop
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posted March 02, 2006 07:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you were smart acoustic, you wouldn't be arguing with me about this at all. Are you applying the same analytical techniques here that you employed on the Committee Reports?

About 80% of respondents do not believe even most of what the NY Times prints, let alone all.

In the mean time, CBS News continues to remind anyone with 2 brain cell to rub together why no one should believe a word the MSM says.

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posted March 02, 2006 07:27 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd give those brain cells back to their owner if I were you jwhop... they're getting bruised and damaged bouncing around in all that empty space in there!

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AcousticGod
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posted March 02, 2006 07:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For Pew's own commentary on this issue, go here: http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?PageID=838

If I weren't smart I wouldn't be arguing with you about this at all. Because I'm considerably more intelligent however, I have to dispel the inaccuracies you put forward. You are wrong to think you're even close to my level of intellect.

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jwhop
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posted March 02, 2006 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah acoustic, an intellectual legend in your own mind are you? The lights may be on acoustic but it's obvious no one's home.

So, exactly what pearl of wisdom were you attempting to showcase with that link to the Pew Report...that the NY Times only has a 21% credibility rating? If that's true acoustic...stated that way, then it also means the NY Times is found incredible...meaning not credible by 79% of respondents.

Were you attempting to show the press is on a credibility train bound for hell? I've already told you that. It's clear the press is found to be not credible over a broad spectrum of news outlets....including the NY Times.

Like I said, one more election cycle should see whatever shreds of credibility the press still possesses evaporate.

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posted March 02, 2006 08:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We could have some fine arguments Cardinalgal. Cardinalgal...would that be Libra?

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AcousticGod
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posted March 02, 2006 10:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Posting the link allows Pid not to fall for your foolishness. I like Pid. I'd hate for her to accidentally back you up without looking into the study for herself.

The commentary also states rather specifically that Republicans are behind driving the credibility statistics down. It also talks about how this transition in the minds of Republicans has happened since Bush came to office. Imagine that.

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that the NY Times only has a 21% credibility rating?

The report doesn't show that at all. The report shows that 21% believes the NYT is nearly infallible in its reporting. They "Believe all or most." 14% "Believe almost nothing" that NYT prints. Republicans would likely be the ones with that opinion. The rest are in the middle. Column 3 is the most populated all around, which means that people generally trust the content of the news source, but realizing its potential for the occasional error they won't give it the full '4' rating.

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posted March 02, 2006 10:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The report you cite doesn't show any such thing and neither does the explanation of the findings support the nonsense you're spouting.

"Most of the other print sources tested in the poll receive similar ratings for believability. Time Magazine is viewed as highly believable by 22% of people familiar enough to rate it, and the New York Times gets a 21% rating. Newsweek and USA Today get a high rating from 19%; that is also the rating respondents give to their own daily paper. The Associated Press is viewed as highly credible by 18% of Americans who can rate it." http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?PageID=838

Neither can the lack of public credibility of the press be attributed to Republicans. Among Democrats only 31% believe all or most of what's printed in the NY Times.

Grow up acoustic and give it up. Most means what it means...and what it means is any amount of anything over half. 79% of respondents DO NOT believe all or most of what the NY Times prints and that means something less than 51% of what the Times prints is believed by 79% of respondents. Only 21% believe all or most and of those 21% who believe less than all, most could range all the way down to believing as little as 51% of what the Times prints. Not exactly a ringing endorsement even among the strongest group of believers.

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posted March 02, 2006 11:03 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
scratches head

deja vu

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posted March 02, 2006 11:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't you see where it says, "highly believable?"

That number correlates to column four.

Those are the people who think those sources are, "highly believable."

The rest work down from that.

If Column 4 is/equals, "highly believable," then it stands to reason that Column 3 would be at very least categorized as, "believable."

You get it now?

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posted March 02, 2006 11:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It doesn't mean any such thing acoustic.

Only category 4 responders rated the news sources "highly believable". Because the word most was used and I'm assuming the Pew staff knows what they're doing and what they mean, the best that could be said is that 79% of responders believed nothing ranging up to 50% of what the Times prints.

You aren't going to get away with changing the definitions of common words acoustic. I well understand why you would attempt to do so. The leftist press has been the vehicle for spreading leftist drivel for more than 50 years. But most people no longer believe them, don't trust them and a hell of a lot of people are not buying their publications any longer. Lots of advertisers are cutting back on their advertising as well and papers are cutting staff...same with broadcast media.

The press is not mainstream, holds different values than most Americans and they're paying the price. Long past due.

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posted March 02, 2006 11:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It means exactly that.

"Highly believable" = "Believe All or Most"

Once you understand this you'll start to understand the chart. I've gone ahead and drawn you a picture to help you understand.

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posted March 02, 2006 11:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
these charts are nonsense, and I can't take it, ahahahahahahaha

throws hands up in the air...

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lotusheartone
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posted March 02, 2006 11:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
psst, let me give you a clue, who made all this info?

MAN

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AcousticGod
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posted March 03, 2006 12:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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You aren't going to get away with changing the definitions of common words acoustic.

I'm not. I'm illustrating for you that Pew did not establish 'most' as specifically meaning as little as 51%. As I illustrated earlier 'most' very seldom means anything close to half. Even a four year old knows this.

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Because the word most was used and I'm assuming the Pew staff knows what they're doing and what they mean

I'm certain they know what they're doing and what they mean as well, so why don't you take your confidence in your own conclusion to them. I'm absolutely certain that if they respond to you that they will say that I am correct in my assessment. It's not gray at all. It's black and white, and I'm right.

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The leftist press has been the vehicle for spreading leftist drivel for more than 50 years.

"In 1998, 44% of Democrats and 39% of Republicans gave CNN very high ratings for believability. By 2002, the partisan gap had widened significantly: 45% of Democrats and 32% of Republicans gave CNN the highest rating. In the current survey, CNN's rating among Democrats remains at 45%, while falling further among Republicans (to 26%)."

"More surprising is the sharp decline among members of both parties but especially Republicans in ratings for the Wall Street Journal. In 1998, Republicans were more trusting than Democrats of the Wall Street Journal by a margin of 48% to 42%. That was still the case in 2002 when 35% of Republicans and 29% of Democrats gave the Journal a very high rating for believability. Today, Democrats are actually more trusting of the Journal 29% give it a high rating vs. 23% of Republicans."
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It's clear that the last six years have had a lot to do with this issue.

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posted March 03, 2006 12:12 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
do you really believe everything you read?

the scales of the Universe are off, so nrmally half would be true..but, since so many people are sleeping, and cannot see..only about 25 % is true..

the universal laws
are out of balance

can you tell, the world has gone mad. ...

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posted March 03, 2006 12:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lotus,

I'm just going to ignore you if you don't mind.

In the meantime, feel free to start dissecting and finding the faults in news media. Good luck.

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posted March 03, 2006 12:20 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hehe, well, the truth is..the truth is within..God and the answers are there..man will never be perfect until man knows himSelf..than Man will know lies and ******** ..

hehe

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posted March 03, 2006 12:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Most means most acoustic. A quantity exceeding half. No matter which way you cut it, that's what it means and no amount of ducking and dodging the definition is going to change the meaning of the word.

As I said, only in the little fantasy world of the left is it necessary to make it up as you go along. But it's not permitted to do so in the real world..this world acoustic.

CBS is just as credible as the Times, which is almost not at all. If they both keep racing to the bottom, they're going to get there. Your beloved AP is even less credible than most of the others. When one must weight everything they say, none of them are performing the functions of a free press. Lying press, most certainly, dying press, coming soon to news rooms all across America and their wounds are self inflected.

They aren't going to stay in business long preaching to only the leftist choir.

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posted March 03, 2006 12:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This debate isn't about the word 'most,' it's about you looking at a chart and understanding what is written on it. I only talk about 'most,' because you seem to think it means as little as 51% when it clear from both the chart and the accompanying analysis written about the chart that 'most' in this case does not mean 51%. It means most, and used in conjunction with 'all,' it means almost everything.

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posted March 03, 2006 12:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The business of the press is not in decline or even threatened by the right's meaningless attack on it. That's just delusional.

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posted March 03, 2006 12:54 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

it's all in how you see things
and not everybody will see them the same way

I guess, you should just hope you are right..hehe

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posted March 03, 2006 12:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't have to hope, Lotus. Do you have anything meaningful to add to this discussion?

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posted March 03, 2006 12:57 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All you need is LOVE. ...

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posted March 03, 2006 01:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe all you need is love. Is that why you're here? Need a hug? Try Soul Unions or something.

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Do you feel better?

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