posted March 28, 2006 06:09 AM              

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The Bird Flu Gimmic

Hi everyone,

First of all, I would like to tell every one that bird flu is
nothing but money generating gimmick of certain companies/politicians. So far
only 55 people have died of so-called bird flu (7000 died by lighting last
year alone) so are we having a lighting epidemic, rubbish? These death
were due to Respiratory sym, but not confirmed for H5N1. How many people
handling birds have died because of diarrhea? Must be more than 55 in the
last few years then we can say we are in a Salmonella epidemic???

Next, who stand to gain by all this? Roche by selling --Tamiflu.
Who has the patent for Tamiflu : lesser known company Gilead. Who is the major
shareholder of this company??? Can any one guess??? Donald H.
Rumsfeld was chairman of the Board of Gilead Sciences, where he remained until
early 2001 when he became defense secretary in Bush's Cabinet. The model
suggests the parallel to the brazen corruption of Halliburton Corporation who's
former CEO is Vice President Dick Cheney. Cheney's company has so far
gotten billions worth of US construction contracts in Iraq and elsewhere.

Who else stands to benefit? Bush campaign funders, Bilderberger
spokesman Etienne F. Davignon and Reagan-Bush former secretary of state
George P.Shultz, both of who are also on the board of directors of Gilead.
Another member of the Bush circle is Lodewijk J.R. de Vink, who sits on the
board of Hoffman-La Roche, Gilead's partner!
In other words, bird flu will generate outrageous profits for
insiders like Shultz, Rumsfled, Davignon and de Vink.

By the way what is Tamiflu (Generic name: oseltamivir phosphate)???
It's a extract from star aniseed (our very own Garam masala - curry
powder) and each dose is $ 100 so even if 15% of the world have one dose then
the total sale will be just $100 billion.

Since last year media started this "Tamasha" by highlighting the
news! from other countries. Our Poultry Industry suffered losses due to those
rumors during that year and now millions of farmers will loose their jobs
& be bankrupt but only a few people will make money. I know it is going
to be late & millions are going to loose their livelihood in India,
Chicken is being sold at Rs 4/kg in some places. Think of the state of the
Farmer & unlike other countries he is not going to be compensated (only
farmers in Navapur, Nandurbar are being compensated).

So, it my sincere request to all of you that spread this
information to everyone, buy, cook and eat poultry products (chicken & egg)
without hesitation and try to save the livelihood of millions of poultry
farmers in India. Remember that anything cooked over 70 degrees is safe.

Please forward this to all whom you know. Those who need more
information are welcome to mail me at: dr_pushkar_bvc@yahoo.com <mailto:dr_pushkar_bvc@yahoo.com.

Regards,
Pushkar

posted March 28, 2006 12:41 PM            

The problem is not so much the deaths of people (all though any death of a person is tragic), but the number of farms decimated by the bird flu. Sorry, but Dr. Bombay isn't worth his salt as a veterinarian (if he truly exists) as he would have detailed the effects that the flu has on the poultry industry.

According to the CDC (center for disease control) and WHO (World Health Organization)
Assessment of Current Situation
The avian influenza A (H5N1) epizootic (animal outbreak) in Asia and parts of Europe is not expected to diminish significantly in the short term. It is likely that H5N1 infection among birds has become endemic in certain areas and that human infections resulting from direct contact with infected poultry will continue to occur. So far, the spread of H5N1 virus from person-to-person has been rare and has not continued beyond one person. No evidence for genetic reassortment between human and avian influenza A virus genes has been found; however, the epizootic in Asia continues to pose an important public health threat.

There is little pre-existing natural immunity to H5N1 infection in the human population. If these H5N1 viruses gain the ability for efficient and sustained transmission among humans, an influenza pandemic could result, with potentially high rates of illness and death. In addition, genetic sequencing of influenza A (H5N1) viruses from human cases in Vietnam and Thailand shows resistance to the antiviral medications amantadine and rimantadine, two of the medications commonly used for treatment of influenza. This would leave two remaining antiviral medications (oseltamivir and zanamivir) that should still be effective against currently circulating strains of H5N1 virus. Efforts to produce vaccine candidates that would be effective against avian influenza A (H5N1) viruses are under way. However, it will likely require many months before such vaccines could be mass produced and made widely available.

Research suggests that currently circulating strains of H5N1 viruses are becoming more capable of causing disease (pathogenic) in mammals than were earlier H5N1 viruses. One study found that ducks infected with H5N1 virus are now shedding more virus for longer periods without showing symptoms of illness. This finding has implications for the role of ducks in transmitting disease to other birds and possibly to humans as well. Additionally, other findings have documented H5N1 infection among pigs in China and H5N1 infection in felines (experimental infection in housecats in the Netherlands and isolation of H5N1 viruses in tigers and leopards in Thailand ).

Notable findings of epidemiologic investigations of human H5N1 cases in Vietnam during 2005 have suggested transmission of H5N1 viruses to at least two persons through consumption of uncooked duck blood. One possible instance of limited person-to-person transmission of H5N1 virus in Thailand has been reported. This possibility is being further investigated in other clusters of cases in Vietnam and Indonesia.

The majority of known human H5N1 cases have begun with respiratory symptoms. However, one atypical fatal case of encephalitis in a child in southern Vietnam in 2004 was identified retrospectively as H5N1 influenza through testing of cerebrospinal fluid, fecal matter, and throat and serum samples. Further research is needed to ascertain the implications of such findings.

Bird Import Ban
There is currently a ban on the importation of birds and bird products from H5N1-affected countries. The regulation states that no person may import or attempt to import any birds (Class Aves), whether dead or alive, or any products derived from birds (including hatching eggs), from the following countries: Afghanistan, Albania, Azerbaijan, Burma (Myanmar), Cambodia, Cameroon, China, Egypt, France (USDA – defined restricted zone only), India, Indonesia, Israel, Japan, Laos, Kazakhstan, Malaysia, Niger, Nigeria, Romania, Russia, South Korea, Thailand, Turkey, Ukraine, Vietnam and Israel (current as of March 20, 2006). For more information, see Embargo of Birds from Specified Countries.
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/avian/outbreaks/current.htm

The updated number of human deaths associated with the H5N1 strains is accurate in that there are only 60 to 65 reported deaths.

Again, no one is pushing the vaccine - that is a media myth. Yes, Tamiflu can be used against the Bird Flu strain in humans, but it is also used against the normal human influenza virus.

What makes me laugh is how someone can be angry with a politician for investing in a company that ends up making money with the invention of a vaccine. Instead of applauding the person for making a good decision we see the other side (usually the bitter and lazy side) wanting to "take it from" them. Now, on the other hand, we see movie stars writing into their contracts a percentage of the receipts from the movie they made. Thus, they are investing in the success of their movie.

They end up making $50 million or so, but we b*tch about Cheney or Rummy making a few hundred thousand in stocks (up to a million or two).

What about the artist that paints the most beautiful picture and sells it for 100 times what it cost to make it? Do we see a huge outcry against that?

posted March 28, 2006 01:11 PM            

Not only that, he is referred to as "Mr" not Dr (a BA or BS in Vet med does NOT qualify one as a Doctor of Veterinary Medicine, although I hear the standards in India are much less that the US which is why we forced incoming vets to finish their education and take the Boards).

Also, having an MS in toxicology (again, that is quite different that virology) also does NOT make a person qualified to be called a "Dr".

The guy should have an e-mail address qualifying where he works other than "yahoo"

posted March 28, 2006 03:34 PM            

What makes my stomach clench though, is how many people, even seemingly intelligent ones, will jump on a rumor bandwagon without checking any facts. Then they post it again and again, just making themselves look stupid.

posted March 28, 2006 05:35 PM            

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What makes my stomach clench though, is how many people, even seemingly intelligent ones, will jump on a rumor bandwagon without checking any facts. Then they post it again and again, just making themselves look stupid.

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To be fair, there is a lot more of this type of propaganda going on on the Right's side as far as I can tell. I just posted one from a Republican friend not long ago. Another older female (Sag) Republican friend I used to work with gets all kinds of emails from Republican friends. She brought a few of them to me and I fact checked them noting all of the inaccurate statements, and then also pointed out all of the information that was purely opinion.

posted March 28, 2006 06:39 PM            

I didn't see a Republican post this... just You and IQ.... hmmm....

posted March 28, 2006 07:25 PM            

What I said is that Republicans forward on to other Republicans misleading information all the time. I don't receive any forwarded information regarding politics except from my Republican friends, and that's very occasionally. The last one I got was a farce as ProxieMe quickly pointed out, but the Republican who sent it had commented that what she'd sent was, "scary" (as if she accepted the truth of it).

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I didn't see a Republican post this... just You and IQ.... hmmm....

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posted March 29, 2006 04:20 AM              

AG did not post it nor have anything to do with it.

BTW, the info in the post is factual. Health authorities have confirmed the 70 degree plus heating method to kill the virus.
Rummy is truly the chairman of Gilead. http://www.gilead.com/wt/sec/pr_933190157/

Gilead does make Tamiflu and the chemical info about Tamiflu is accurate.

It is naive to think a chairman would have less than few million shares and the gains of friends and family easily go into hundreds of milliosn fo dollars. Leaders have to be above any profits while in power, if they have any ethical sense.

Rummy also had a hand in legalizing Aspartame.

The doubt is about the person who claims to have sent it. Still no confirmation on him.
The message is always more important than the messenger.

It is confirmed Pidua, that you will support Republicanism and Republican methods, good or evil, irrespective of the consequences.
It is your choice, I cannot judge whether it is smart or not. Best of luck in your chosen spiritual journey!

posted March 29, 2006 11:27 AM            

The information in your previous posts is not factual. The message is only of use when the message is factual...otherwise we can and should have a hard look at the competence and motives of the messenger.

Donald Rumsfeld is NOT Chairman of Gilead. When Rumsfeld was Chairman of the Board of Directors of Gilead, that position was and is an advisory position as indeed the entire board of directors is advisory. In no way did Rumsfeld RUN Gilead. That job falls to the President and CEO.

Hillary Clinton was on the board of directors of Walmart but in no way did Hillary RUN Walmart or was Hillary involved in the day to day business activities of Walmart.

Neither did Rumsfeld RUN Gilead and in fact, Rumsfeld was on the boards of directors of other corporations at the same time he was Chairman of the Board of Gilead.

Gilead, in spite of your assertion, does not make Tamiflu. Tamiflu was developed by Gilead who then sold the rights to Roche, a Swiss pharmaceutical company. Gilead receives 10% royalty from sales of Tamuflu from Roche.

Directors and Chairman of Boards of Directors are not employees of the corporation. In some cases, they receive stock options along with some other compensation. But stock options have to be exercised...i.e., the stock must be bought by the option holder...at the option price, before they own it. Rumsfeld is not involved with Gilead. He may hold stock in Gilead but more likely than not, it's in a blind trust and he isn't controlling that stock.

Trust me, the leftist media would be howling along with the leftist democrats if they thought there was any way to connect Rumsfeld to a conflict of interest regarding Gilead.

So, let's see Iqhunk, you would deny those who contract bird flu the drug Tamiflu, a flu reported to have a mortality rate above 50% for those who contract the virus....and you would do this because Rumsfeld might make some money off his shares of Gilead stock? Is that your position?

So far Iqhunk, you've not exposed anything about Bush, Cheney or Rumsfeld. You have however, exposed your own blind ignorance.

"In September 1996, Gilead and F. Hoffmann-La Roche Ltd. entered into a collaborative agreement to develop and market therapies that treat and prevent viral influenza. Under the agreement, Roche received exclusive worldwide rights to Gilead's proprietary influenza neuraminidase inhibitors, including orally administered Tamiflu® (oseltamivir phosphate), formerly known as GS 4104. As part of this collaboration, Gilead and Roche jointly conducted clinical development of oseltamivir phosphate, with Roche funding all research and development costs.Roche has worldwide commercial rights to Tamiflu, and Gilead receives payments from Roche for the successful completion of program milestones and royalties on product sales." http://www.gilead.com/wt/sec/partners

"The Gilead Executive Committee provides guidance on strategy, business development, sales and marketing, and research and development. Its members include:

John C. Martin, PhD, President and Chief Executive Officer

Norbert W. Bischofberger, PhD, Executive Vice President, Research and Development

John F. Milligan, PhD, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Kevin Young, Executive Vice President, Commercial Operations

Gregg H. Alton, Senior Vice President and General Counsel

Anthony D. Caracciolo, Senior Vice President, Manufacturing

William A. Lee, PhD, Senior Vice President, Research

John J. Toole, MD, PhD, Senior Vice President, Clinical Research

Taiyin Yang, PhD, Senior Vice President, Pharmaceutical Development and Manufacturing" http://www.gilead.com/wt/sec/about_corp_overview

"Our esteemed Gilead Board of Directors provides the leadership and guidance necessary to execute our mission and realize our vision.

James M. Denny
Chairman, Gilead Sciences Board of Directors

Paul Berg, PhD
Nobel Prize Winner, Chemistry Cahill Professor, Emeritus, Stanford University Medical Center

John F. Cogan, PhD
Senior Fellow, Hoover Institution, Stanford University

Etienne F. Davignon
Minister of State Vice-Chairman, Suez-Tractebel

John W. Madigan
Retired Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Tribune Company

John C. Martin, PhD
President and Chief Executive Officer, Gilead Sciences

Gordon E. Moore, PhD
Chairman Emeritus, Intel Corporation

Nicholas G. Moore
Retired Global Chairman, PricewaterhouseCoopers

George P. Shultz, PhD
Distinguished Fellow, Hoover Institution, Stanford University; Director Emeritus, Gilead Sciences Board of Directors

Gayle Edlund Wilson
Director, Education Financing Foundation of California and Ralph M. Parsons Foundation"

http://www.gilead.com/wt/sec/bod

This, from the old Gilead page you linked:

"Mr. Rumsfeld, who joined Gilead as a director in 1988, is currently in private business and is distinguished for his accomplishments in both industry and government. Mr. Rumsfeld served as chief executive officer of G.D. Searle, a worldwide pharmaceutical company, from 1977 to 1985. During this time, his stewardship of Searle earned him awards as the Outstanding Chief Executive Officer in the pharmaceutical industry in 1980 and 1981. He also served as chairman and chief executive of General Instrument Corporation, a diversified electronics company and world leader in broadband and all digital high definition television technology. A graduate of Princeton University, Mr. Rumsfeld has served in numerous positions of public service, including four terms in the U.S. Congress, U.S. Ambassador to NATO, White House Chief of Staff and as the 13th Secretary of Defense. In 1977, Mr. Rumsfeld was awarded the nation's highest civilian award, the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

posted March 29, 2006 12:55 PM            

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Donald Rumsfeld is NOT Chairman of Gilead. When Rumsfeld was Chairman of the Board of Directors of Gilead, that position was and is an advisory position as indeed the entire board of directors is advisory. In no way did Rumsfeld RUN Gilead. That job falls to the President and CEO.

Hillary Clinton was on the board of directors of Walmart but in no way did Hillary RUN Walmart or was Hillary involved in the day to day business activities of Walmart.

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Correct, but then I don't see where ANYONE said that either of these two RAN either company. IQ's post states that Rumsfeld is a major share-holder in Gilead.

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Gilead, in spite of your assertion, does not make Tamiflu. Tamiflu was developed by Gilead who then sold the rights to Roche, a Swiss pharmaceutical company. Gilead receives 10% royalty from sales of Tamuflu from Roche.

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IQ's post says:

"Next, who stand to gain by all this? Roche by selling --Tamiflu.
Who has the patent for Tamiflu : lesser known company Gilead."

posted March 29, 2006 01:57 PM            

92.3% of Gilead stock is held by institutions...not individual investors and not by Gilead itself.

Further, the clear implication was that Rumsfeld was directing and controlling Gilead...while he's Secretary of Defence...False.

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posted March 29, 2006 05:05 PM            

I thought when you wrote this:

" I just posted one from a Republican friend not long ago. Another older female (Sag) Republican friend I used to work with gets all kinds of emails from Republican friends. "

I thought you meant that YOU had posted THIS same e-mail a while back. Sorry for the miscomunication I see that you meant something different.

Also..> Reread Iq's post AG. He states the following to me:

"BTW, the info in the post is factual. Health authorities have confirmed the 70 degree plus heating method to kill the virus.
Rummy is truly the chairman of Gilead. http://www.gilead.com/wt/sec/pr_933190157/

Gilead does make Tamiflu and the chemical info about Tamiflu is accurate. "

PS...you must be mistaken about killing the virus or you mean 70 degrees C not Farenheit. 70 degrees F is basically room temperature.

posted March 29, 2006 05:14 PM            

There is a little thing called RESEARCH. Have you looked into the information on Gilead?

I would suggest before you continue to make a complete a$$ out of yourself you go to Yahoo, click on Finance and put GILD into the ticker.

You can see ALL the board members, executives and holding firms associated with Gilead. You can also see ANY insider Trading that goes on as it HAS to be reported here in the United States.

Here is a brief exerpt:

Gilead Sciences Inc.
333 Lakeside Drive
Foster City, CA 94404
Phone: 650-574-3000
Fax: 650-578-9264
Web Site: http://www.gilead.com

DETAILS
Index Membership: S&P 500
S&P 1500 Super Comp
Nasdaq 100
Sector: Healthcare
Industry: Biotechnology
Full Time Employees: 1,900

BUSINESS SUMMARY
Gilead Sciences, Inc., a biopharmaceutical company, engages in the discovery, development, and commercialization of therapeutics to patients suffering from life-threatening diseases primarily in the United States. Its products include Viread, Emtriva, and Truvada for the treatment of human immunodeficiency virus infection; Hepsera for the treatment of chronic hepatitis B infection; AmBisome for the treatment of fungal infection; Vistide for the treatment of cytomegalovirus infection; and DaunoXome, a liposomal formulation of the anticancer agent daunorubicin for the treatment of AIDS-related Kaposi’s sarcoma. The company also offers Tamiflu for the treatment of influenza; and Macugen for the treatment of neo vascular age-related macular degeneration. Gilead Sciences also markets its products in Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, New Zealand, Portugal, Spain, and the United Kingdom.

The company has collaborative relationships with Japan Tobacco; Bristol-Myers Squibb Company; Achillion Pharmaceuticals, Inc.; Genelabs Technologies, Inc.; Chiron Corporation; Emory University; Institute of Organic Chemistry and Biochemistry of the Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic and Rega Stichting; GlaxoSmithKline, Inc.; Pfizer, Inc.; OSI Pharmaceuticals, Inc.; Dainippon Sumitomo Pharma Co., Ltd.; M.D. Anderson Cancer Center; Astellas Pharma, Inc.; University License Equity Holdings, Inc.; Aspen Pharmacare; Gilead Access Program; The Institute for One World Health; and The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and Family Health International. Gilead Sciences was founded by Michael L. Riordan in 1987 and is headquartered in Foster City, California.

Key Statistics

CORPORATE GOVERNANCE
Gilead Sciences Inc.'s Corporate Governance Quotient (CGQ®) as of 1-Mar-06 is better than 53.2% of S&P 500 companies and 97.7% of Pharmaceuticals & Biotechnology companies.

KEY EXECUTIVES
Pay Exercised
Dr. John C. Martin PhD, 54
Chief Exec. Officer, Pres, Director and Member of Exec. Committee $ 1.89M $ 13.21M

Dr. John F. Milligan Ph.D., 45
Chief Financial Officer, Principal Accounting Officer, Exec. VP and Member of Exec. Committee $ 829.00K $ 1.76M

Dr. Norbert W. Bischofberger Ph.D., 50
Exec. VP of R&D and Member of Exec. Committee $ 1.00M $ 16.09M

Dr. William A. Lee Ph.D., 50
Sr. VP of Research, Sr. VP of Product Devel. and Member of Exec. Committee $ 529.00K $ 5.10M

Dr. John J. Toole MD, PhD, 52
Sr. VP of Clinical Research and Member of Exec. Committee $ 495.00K $ 1.02M


Dollar amounts are as of 31-Dec-04 and compensation values are for the last fiscal year ending on that date. "Pay" is salary, bonuses, etc. "Exercised" is the value of options exercised during the fiscal year.

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You have successfully proved that you are of limited knowledge and you hate something against my Country. You only THINK you know what you are rambling about but you don't have facts to back up your statements. For example - you totally backed your scientist guy as being knowledgable about this flu and the relation it has to Tamiflu. Then you state he was only concerned with the number of dead birds. LIE... the e-mail and post is NOT geared towards that at all MY e-mail response WAS.

Your post was another unfounded, biased, pieces of used toilet paper that contained nothing but lies.

posted August 19, 2021 03:31 PM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
I don't think anyone should lose sight of the fact a similar strain of bird flu killed an estimated 20-40,000,000 people in the early 1900's so this isn't something to take lightly.

Pid, I couldn't find anything on this guy which would give me a high degree of confidence his opinion is credible enough to take seriously either.

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posted August 19, 2021 03:33 PM            

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Originally posted by MoonMystic:
And today - we should have transparency of who ALL is linked (+political power to force upon the people this agenda of illness - fear and force) to receiving major bucks (Taurus Uranus anyone?) From these mandated chemicals and other products involving our current headlines.

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