posted July 02, 2006 11:57 AM              

Should we hope that understanding and healing is truly what is wanted?

posted July 02, 2006 12:00 PM            

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WaterNymph
cancerrg...a big thumbsup
Azalaksh..a big thumbsup...and double hearts to WaterNymph.

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posted July 02, 2006 12:23 PM              

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So, who's keeping this ball in the air?
Petron hadn't said a word about KS since June 25th.
salome hadn't said a word about KS since June 25th.
Lotus hadn't said a word about KS since June 25th.
Pid hasn't said anything since before June 25th.
I hadn't said anything since before June 25th.
Eleanore hadn't said anything since at least June 25th.
TINK hadn't said anything since I don't know when.

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In all fairness, and if you are so intent on keeping tabs, you would have noticed that a lot of KS members haven't spoken since around the same time.

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So, if y'all from KS wanted this to drop off the radar, why did you start it up again and everyone from KS join in.

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Once again, biased and completely an unfair judgement. Waternymph explained she wasn't here. You're doing something you have a habit of doing, which is lumping EVERYONE into One. For 100 pages or whatever of this, this have been a common tactic used.
We're put in the position of defense time and again, and then when we defend ourselves from bias and distorted accusations, we are accused of being the ones not letting go.

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It has also been suggested, rather sarcastically I might add, that Petron just happened to stumble on the one post on the entire KS site which showed the site off at it's worst...in other words, Petron must be lying about how long he was on the site looking around...and that was ALL he could find.

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Let's see. Petron goes to KS, and what does he do, knowing he might have limited time there? He goes straight for Magus' posts, knowing how Magus is, that he would most likely find something derogatory that he could use against KS. He singled his focus,hoping to condemn us...and then you all expanded it to respresent the entire site again and again.
I can see nothing at all honorable in Petron's intentions.

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Let's get it straight, if there's a bad guy or guys in this sorry mess, it's not Petron, it's not Pid who stumbled onto the KS site, it's not TINK, it's not lalalinda, it's not salome, it's not Eleanore, it's not lotus and I'm damned if I'm going to take any responsibility for people from KS associating together, talking about people here behind their backs, qualifying people here to see if they're OUR type or making depraved comments about a member here.

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I didn't talk behind people's backs. Nor did most there. Time and again, no one is listening to that...and on and on it will go.

I have no idea what you mean about taking responsibility.
But I do get the sense from what you wrote that you are trying to paint one side as good and one side as bad.
In all this time, I don't recall anyone from KS trying to do that. We've approached others here as unique individuals. So why can't we be given the same kind of consideration? And I don't mean to imply that everyone has done that. There are some who haven't and it's been noticed and appreciated.

posted July 02, 2006 12:48 PM              

In order to have a discussion that is productive we also have to listen. I haven't seen much listening or even a willingness to make amends with the members of KS on any of these redundant KS threads. Though I have seen them reach out their hands in the gesture of making peace. If there is no willingness to bridge the gap and make amends then these threads are pointless. They serve no purpose except to keep insisting that you are right and will not be happy until everyone says you are right.

People have apologized and the apologies are not accepted. People have explained their reasons and those reasons are not accepted. The people who did talk about others have admitted they did and apologized. Those that didn't talk about anyone have said so and that has not been accepted either.

So the only point to continue on talking about this has to be the need to be right. People in the KS membership have stated they do not feel that starting the group was wrong. Many of us at LL who were not in the group do not feel that they did anything wrong either. Those that do feel that it was wrong are the ones who refuse to let go of it.

Why should the KS members say they are wrong if they do not feel that it was wrong? Yet you continue to persist that it is wrong in your mind and, it seems, will not rest until they give up their own principals and values to suit and agree with your particular principals and values. It seems to me that you are attempting to force your conscience onto them. It seems that you want them to follow your conscience instead of their own.

Apparently the non-KS people are the "Value People" and see the KS people as the "Immoral People." You're the "good guys in the white hats" they are the "bad guys in black hats." Pretty much the same way that the Republicans and Religious Right see the Democrats and anyone else who disagrees with their version of morality and principals.

Maybe you people should do some serious introspection on how the thinking of the current administration is effecting your way of thinking and seeing others. Consider how it is distorting your worldview and the worldview of society as a whole.

I would not give up my own values and principals just because someone else wants to force their own morals and values on me either. It is for that reason that I have to admire the members of KS for hanging onto their beliefs and principals of conduct in the face of all the attacks and the brow beating to do otherwise.

I think that if it is okay for Petron to draw a correlation to the KKK on this thread to make his point it should also be acceptable to him and others here for me to draw a correlation to what is going on from a spiritual stand point and what is going on in this society today to make my point. Because the same people who feel it is okay to use the KKK to make a point got on my case in one of the other KS threads for drawing a comparison to a public trial and The Inquisition. Go figure.

PS: Ditto to what Lialei said regarding Jwhop's post. Jwhop is consistent in only seeing one side of any issue and refusing to even consider the other side. He is also consistent in putting people and issues into a neat little box and labeling and calling others names who do not agree with his thinking. So what's to reply to?

Ditto to what lioneyes said in her post too and ditto to all those who spoke about peace and love.

Acceptance for the differences in other people seems to be lacking here. And since there are one or two people here at LL who have a real hard time with acceptance of the differences in others they cannot possibly possess the love they claim to have for all because without first accepting others for who they are as persons, flaws and everything, we cannot possibly have love for all.

posted July 02, 2006 12:49 PM              

>>>>>trying to figure you out.

posted July 02, 2006 12:54 PM              

never a waste of time. .

and the fact is..that KS ers..continue..their bad manners..drudging up the past..and passing judgements..it's funny to read. . .

posted July 02, 2006 01:10 PM              

I stand by everything I've said..

posted July 02, 2006 01:15 PM              

>>>>>You said you are Linda Goodman.
You said I changed my post to Johnny.
You told someone they were not from where they said.(they were & are..I recieved actual postal mail from them)
You said you never talked to me at anywhere but LL. I proved otherwise.
You say you love everyone but call folks donkey axehole freaks and more.
Want more?

posted July 02, 2006 01:23 PM              

You're a negative Taurean, Lotus. It is negative Taureans that like you who give us Taureans a bad reputation. Many of the worse dictators in world history have been negative Taureans. Hitler and Hussein are examples. I think Napolean was a negative Taurean too. Those negative Taureans had people put to death for being different than them and for dissenting against their way of thinking.

posted July 02, 2006 01:24 PM              

God MOther and Father..are the one's whose opinion..I care about the most..
not how many people like me or dislike me..

it's all about Truth..

posted July 02, 2006 01:33 PM            

You are now both repeating the same things.. and I want to say Mirandee... I enjoyed your post.. very clear and concise.
I didn't want your post to be ignored while the fight continues.

Is it safe to say we've all had our say, we listened to WN have her say, because she didn't get to before.... and we accept that everyone has their own opinions, and no one can change anyone else..
so on that note.. do we need to continue?

I am not saying ( as I'm sure will be interpreted, and that's why I am clarifying)
I am not saying "Okay, if you disagree with me, I don't want to hear it so I will argue with you and only let people I LIKE say anything"
I am saying...

Does anyone have anything new to say?
No?
Great.