posted July 01, 2006 09:37 PM            

I don't think I've seen a post by someone not from KS expecting and outright demanding that you all just get over the fact that what you did was [insert negative opinion here] and you need to "get over" the fact that people got angry or hurt by that and you're all just [insert negative opinion here] and you really need to move on yourselves.

Do you understand how badly it comes off to try to shove your opinions down someone else's throats? Your opinion is that KS wasn't so bad. Why does everybody have to agree with that? Why can't people disagree with you and have it be okay?

Isn't it possible that we could just agree to disagree?

Yes, the folks who weren't involved in KS didn't visit it and see all or the majority of the posts, so it seems logical that they are ignorant of its true nature and are just being suspicious and cynical. I can understand how you might feel that way. However, what some of you seem to not want to see is the way it looks to some of those who were not there. The reasons have been repeated countless times. Mainly, it was intended to be a private site although that didn't quite work out. It was based on a voting type system as far as members were concerned in order to assure the supposed privacy of the site. I don't see too many people taking issue with that. The part that has people questioning is what was found and posted here on LL from the KS site that was in certain circumstances quite nasty. There is no way for those of us who were not a part of it to see it for ourselves because it was, rather rashly and perhaps not wisely, deleted as soon as it was discovered and brought up on LL. Does that make sense?

Why should the non-KS folk trust what you say? Why? Give me one perfectly logical, reasonable, and irrefutable reason why, please. I'm not issuing a challenge so please don't be offended. I just don't understand your mindset.

I'm not saying I do or don't trust anyone ... I just really want to know what makes you think that everybody needs to trust what you say, accept it as truth, and forget the whole thing even happened? Where is the logic in that? Can't you accept that nobody has to believe you or trust you ... that those are things that are gained over time by many people? And that, understandably, some here no longer feel they can trust or believe you? What is wrong with them feeling that way?

Is anybody else seeing what I'm seeing here?

I am not personally offended by the KS site. I don't really care what people want to do with their time. It's not the kind of site I would join, based on its membership policies, but perhaps that's just another reason why I wouldn't even be invited to a site like that in the first place. And I'm fine with that. Also, I find it pretty easy to ignore people on on-line forums (I mean, they're not yelling in my ear or anything) by just not reading what they wrote and skipping to the next post or just not taking what they say personally. You know, some people just live off of trying to make other people miserable as though they're some kind of psychic/emotional/mental vampires. I can and do ignore them the majority of the time. And if I don't, I certainly don't let it get to me because, in the end, they frankly don't matter to me. Anyway, I've never felt the need to "get away" from a site because of someone before. And I'm not saying that generally "good" people don't gossip or say nasty or malicious things about other people behind their backs. I may not engage in that behavior myself, but I don't expect someone else to live by my personal standards. And I don't think I'm more "spiritual" (geez, it feels awful just typing that) or better than others for living my life the way I do. It's my own perspective and I can't and won't expect others to see my truth as the one and only Truth even if I *think* or *wish* or *believe* it is.

Yet, I completely agree with Tink when it comes to people posting their opinions here. They are OPINIONS not facts. There is no way to prove an opinion right or wrong. There is no way to evaluate or judge something that is essentially subjective. I 100% support the right of everybody on this site to post what they think and feel as long as it complies with the following from the registration page here:

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And when things like the above mentioned do come up, I leave the end result of the matter in Randall's more than capable hands seeing as how he is the Webmaster here and has the right to do what he darn well pleases with this site.

And no, I am not going to ask anyone to "drop it" now that I've had another say. I would, however, like to suggest that perhaps we can try to accept each other's different feelings and thoughts, tolerate each other's perspectives and see where that takes us in the long run. LL is a pretty big place. We can all find places to go and things to read here even if we can't be friendly with everybody on this site. I think that's a pretty realistic suggestion ... but, again, feel free to ignore me if I'm getting on your nerves by now, too.

posted July 01, 2006 09:52 PM            

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Why should the non-KS folk trust what you say? Why? Give me one perfectly logical, reasonable, and irrefutable reason why, please. I'm not issuing a challenge so please don't be offended. I just don't understand your mindset.

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posted July 01, 2006 10:02 PM            

Does that make sense? We take a lot on trust posting online the way we do. For all any of us knows, we are in the midst of Kings and serial killers and the local grocer. You know what I mean? It's easy to pretend to be one way over this kind of medium. That's how some sickos end up with kiddies in real life ... by pretending.

I AM NOT saying anyone here is lying about their lives or misrepresenting themselves. I am saying that it is my faith alone in your honesty and integrity that makes me feel/believe that you are who you say you are. But if my faith in some of you were shaken ... I don't know what I would think. *edited to add* And how could someone try to force my faith in anyone or anything?

posted July 01, 2006 10:11 PM              

this isnt an exclusive "secret club" where the actions of one founding member reflect on the entire clan who joined with him.....

and im on the record from way back suggesting magus be banned from here....back when the same people where defending his death threats against jwhop......

posted July 01, 2006 10:23 PM            

Still, if anyone really wants to get away from this, they can just do what someone suggested and stop reading the goshdarn threads. Good advice... (terribly hard, though, somehow.)

By the way, thanks for the nonjudgemental attitude in your posts on the matter, Eleanore. Are we still voting on moderators?

posted July 01, 2006 10:25 PM            

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Isn't it possible that we could just agree to disagree?

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posted July 01, 2006 10:32 PM              

LL isnt a secret little clubhouse in AGus and Magus' basement.....

i wont leave the u.s. just because maguts lives in new york either.....

posted July 01, 2006 10:39 PM            

That doesn`t make me a fair or accurate 'judge' of people; it does prove the cream does rise to the top ... (and I do love adages).

Shine on

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posted July 01, 2006 10:46 PM            

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