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AcousticGod
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posted November 08, 2006 03:47 PM
  
Who exactly said anything about politics being determined by sports? No one did.  There are sides however, and there are people who support both sides. There are people who go out and show support for their team. There are winners and there are losers. What part of this don't you comprehend? IP: Logged |
Motherkonfessor
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posted November 08, 2006 03:52 PM
Apparently, what started as a tongue-in-cheek simple analogy is now the major topic of disussion...lame lame lame. I just LOVE personal attacks. Its REALLY condusive to discussion. I am not going to play this game. Oh, whoops! That statement might be construed as a "sports analogy!"
I must be fundamentally misguided. I am so glad I opened that window, so we could all stop talking about issues. MK IP: Logged |
pidaua
Knowflake Posts: 67
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posted November 08, 2006 03:58 PM
oh wah.... "and" put a pic of a baby up. Well, if I am the baby, you are the resulting squish in the diaper.
Sue- Democrats outnumber the Republicans by a large margin on this forum. That is because most Republicans will not stick around and tolerate the abuse that we experience when we go to most "so called enlightened" websites.
I am sure jwhop can give you a run down on what happened at the hands of Mirandee and other rabid liberals on the Conscious Evolition website to the Conservatives. Most would have people believe that to be open spiritually and to be "enlightened" one cannot be a Republican. That is nonsense. Most Republican's chose not to subject themselves to people like some of the more rabid left here, but for some reason- a few of us can take it... and well... hee hee
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pidaua
Knowflake Posts: 67
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posted November 08, 2006 03:59 PM
Did I attack you personally MK? I merely questioned your rationalization. You called me a sore loser because I pointed out the flaws in your lame analogy. Not my fault you take politics so lightly.
Okay.. on another note...
Isn't Mercury Retrograde right now?
I wonder what that means for the elections? IP: Logged |
sue g
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posted November 08, 2006 04:05 PM
Oh thanks Pid...I thought as much....that dems out numberd repubs..... Would have to meet all ye guys in person....but just as a general observation (and this isnt mean to cause offence), the dem people seem far less aggressive than the repubs. This is my feeling as an onlooker and not a participant.....dont really like the aggressive approach of some of the people on this board...it seems somewhat.......unnecessary....and at times a bit silly,,,! Just my feelings! Carry on smoking guys....or should that be carry on fighting.... 
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AcousticGod
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posted November 08, 2006 04:05 PM
Pid,You didn't point out the flaws, though, and it wasn't a "lame" analogy as I've demonstrated. That's a blatant mischaracterization. Just because you fail to see how people competing against one another is similar to sports doesn't mean her analogy was "lame." IP: Logged |
pidaua
Knowflake Posts: 67
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posted November 08, 2006 04:07 PM
AG said"There are people who go out and show support for their team. There are winners and there are losers. What part of this don't you comprehend?" The part I don't comprehend and I find to be degrading to the act of voting and determining a winning candidate is that you have reduced it to supporting a team in sports. I cannot for the life of me fathom people would actually believe as you do and that would continue to push to validate your analogy is disgusting to people that actually believe in our right to vote and make a change. Last night, as the results came in, I did not feel like I was supporting some team. I did not cheer when a Republican took a seat. I could never equate that to the nail biting I experience when watching the Cowboys get their butts kicks on a weekly basis. The fact that you equate it to that makes me question your understanding of politics in general. It is quite sad. Then again, maybe that is how a Liberal perceives the world - win or lose- it's all a game. IP: Logged |
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posted November 08, 2006 04:08 PM
pidiful-
the only person full of sh1t is you darling  ------------------
"WHATEVER the soul longs for, WILL be attained by the spirit"-Khalil Gibran "The only people I would care to be with now are artists and people who have suffered: those who know what beauty is, and those who know what sorrow is: nobody else interests me."-- Oscar Wilde-- "De Profundis" IP: Logged |
pidaua
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posted November 08, 2006 04:09 PM
AG - just because the Dems have taken the house does not mean you can control my free speech. I am entitled to call her analogy lame all that I want. Sue, I suppose you could see it that way. I would say we are more outspoken and upfront whereas the Liberals here are more passive aggressive. Then again, one only has to see the thread started about me to see who really launches underhanded attacks 
And - well then, please bless us with your intellect concerning the elections. Where do you see the change occuring first and what mandate to you see the Democrats pushing forward?
Was that silence I heard or the diaper getting ever so full? Oh wait..better stick with questions like "Soap.. like it or love it?" IP: Logged |
Motherkonfessor
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posted November 08, 2006 04:13 PM
no, just "immature" and "fundamentally misguided." I don't agree with your opinions, but I don't make gross generalizations about you as a person. As a matter of fact, I do take politics very seriously- it drives my friends and family nuts- but I also realize how quickly it can turn into obsession. There's no point in alienating people- that's not the point! I am not going to change your mind, just as you will not change mine. Compromise is the point of ALL of this- the answer is not simple. I do what I can- by voting, by donating money, and yes, this liberal baby killing misguided Democrat even sends care packages to the troups. Just like every other citizen of this country. MK IP: Logged |
pidaua
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posted November 08, 2006 04:16 PM
Again.. I will pose the question"how do you think Mercury retrograde will play into these results from the election and how will it affect newly elected candidates"? "and" for you I will break it down to your level 'Mercury retrograde - Bum or not a bum... please answer!!!!" IP: Logged |
naiad
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posted November 08, 2006 04:18 PM
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Then again, one only has to see the thread started about me to see who really launches underhanded attacks
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pidaua
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posted November 08, 2006 04:19 PM
MK - I never called you a baby-killer. A person's right to choose is personal and I would never take that from them. In the same respect, I would never take the right for anyone to get married - regardless of sex. IP: Logged |
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posted November 08, 2006 04:25 PM
The democrats might stop the republicans from spending 4 million a day in Iraq to help shell pump oil out of Iraq because Bush's biggest fear is that extremists would not care about pumping oil which would cripple the US economy but he has made the people of the united states suffer by having to pay for the war while the rich get richer and poor get poorer. We're 18th in the world in education. We have 40 million people living in the poverty level and 40 million without health care. I think the democrats will push forth higher minimium wage, less gov't spending on the new american century wars, more taxation on the rich and rich corpotions that use loopholes to get out of paying 80 billion a year in taxes, such as halliburton which charges the US 4 dollars a gallon in Iraq to fuel military vehicles. the only reason they push fear like reagan did with the soviets is because they have made osama the new stalin to put fear into people so they can control policy to suit their own interest because our economy has run off war since the end of ww2. businesses such as boeing, northrop-grumman, depend on people's tax dollars to stay in business but what do the people get out of 30 million dollar planes when there is no country that could match the US's military. you cant fight terrorists with fighter jets.
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republicans like to think they are capable of being millionares but i doubt you are its all wishful thinking of majority of republicans in america.
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"WHATEVER the soul longs for, WILL be attained by the spirit"-Khalil Gibran
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AcousticGod
Knowflake Posts: 4415
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posted November 08, 2006 04:30 PM
How is making a sports analogy in any way degrading to the process of voting? It's not. Yeah, go ahead and tell me that you wouldn't be happy for your team winning (after having brashly predicted a sweep back to power in 2008 ). Yeah, you have NO team spirit...right. You can question my understanding of politics all you like. "Win or lose" is what happens in an election. There's absolutely no getting around that. Does that make it similar to a game or a sport? Yes it does. No getting around that either. quote:
AG - just because the Dems have taken the house does not mean you can control my free speech. I am entitled to call her analogy lame all that I want.
No, it doesn't mean I control your speech, but I'm perfectly free myself to point out the inaccuracy of a statement you made, and I'm kind enough to back up what I've said with a logical argument. MK  IP: Logged |
pidaua
Knowflake Posts: 67
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posted November 08, 2006 04:30 PM
Most of our states have already pushed for a higher minimum wage.How will the democrats actually stop the 4 Million per day spending in Iraq while continuing to train the Iraqi police and Army? How is it not even the Democrats in office have a mandate? Nice of you to put together sound bites, but you still have not addressed the solutions. A mandate is a path that is going to be followed with solutions included - not just a happy-go-lucky sound bite. Sounds too much like asking Ms. America what she would wish for 'World peace". Nice talk- but how can it be achieved when the dems have offered NO solutions. Keep trying At least you wrote more than a standard quip. I want to also add, the Democrats did not win by much. How will these items be achieved when they don't have the numbers they need in the House or Senate? IP: Logged |
pidaua
Knowflake Posts: 67
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posted November 08, 2006 04:35 PM
AG.. why does it always come to this? You fail to understand me in every way- but instead of admitting that we have two very different ways of communicating, you turn to the argument employed by the Liberal left of "You just don't make sense - you are illogical" on and on. Funny how only the leftests here have a hard time understanding my arguments. It does get quite old with the same old mantra being employed. In any case, yes, you are 100% free to say whatever you want. I welcome it, I will not try to stifle it- Censorship is that which is desired mostly by the left I'm a Republican remember? 
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posted November 08, 2006 04:46 PM
Iraqis are a people, they have been a civilation for 5 thousand years, what makes you think america can solve anyone's problems? and if you were intelligent enough to read the american gov't standing orders to the iraqi gov't that states that they have to use UN sanctions seeds for crops and get rid of crops that have developed for 5000 years these crops that make them use cannot be reproduced which means that iraq does anything the US doesnt like they can starve them it also states that any US business can own businesses in iraq and the iraqis cannot tax them. it also states iraq has to pay off the war debt to america, what would make you think that anyone in iraq would go along with this?when has imperalism ever worked.. gov'ts put in power by foreign nations ever worked?
we have already put in progress the shite majority to ally itself with the iranian gov't. the sunnis would lose control and they will not stop until they break up the shite power. the only reason we stay there is because the iraqis couldnt protect the oil and if it wasnt pumped out it would put such a strain on production that it would cripple western economies. our best interest is to let them figure it out and develop their own country free from imperalism. we are only apart of the problem.
we have sent a continuing force of 150,000 thousand soliders to fight this war which hasnt only got them killed but has disrupted their families and their personal development ..most of the people that join the military want to get out of poverty in which some have came from...have you ever seen a recuiter in beverly hills? the only reason this war was started by the republican party was to break up OPEC cartal which was a plan since the 70s. and has failed miserably.
the best thing for the US to do like vietam is to pack up and leave. we have made terrorism worse and left a generation of iraqis who will not have good education, will have family members who have died, and feel they need retribution.
al queda has only used iraq to grow stronger, and osama is still alive. ------------------
"WHATEVER the soul longs for, WILL be attained by the spirit"-Khalil Gibran "The only people I would care to be with now are artists and people who have suffered: those who know what beauty is, and those who know what sorrow is: nobody else interests me."-- Oscar Wilde-- "De Profundis" IP: Logged |
Motherkonfessor
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posted November 08, 2006 05:00 PM
I think any evidence of Mercury RX has already shown itself in the numerous issues with the voting machines in many states- Colorado and Virginia (yes, virginia, there is a vote recount law!) are two that come to mind.also, using the average astrologist's interpretation of any Merc Rx- actions started during a Merc Rx typically end up dissolving quickly or are rethought once the Rx is over- yes, I thought much about this before the election. Does this mean the Dems are doomed? Not necessarily. It may indicate that Dems will get mocked alot for the next few weeks for I am predicting (look out here) confusion and disorganization until Merc goes direct.
It will take awhile to become cohesive -and I think the recount in Virginia will go to courts, creating a "pause" while Congress tries to figure out what's up... as well as the lobbyists trying to determine who to start bribing. I think this election was influenced most by the outer planets, and with the stellium of Scorpio (i do not have the chart of the US in front me, and I have to leave soon so I don't have time for the research.) Regardless, there are many sites which do a better job at explaining it than this here politico-astro geek.
Pluto is change, death, transformation. Mercury influences are quick and transient. Pluto (and Saturn) are here for the long haul. Its interesting that you claim censorship is the realm of left, Pid- only because its always the right accusing the left of being anti-american when they make any statement opposing the war. Yes, i could present a bunch of evidence, but I really really need to go....yes, liberals support censorship of porn and misogynist song lyrics- but so do many conservative reigious types.. Laters-
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pidaua
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posted November 08, 2006 05:15 PM
MK- Accusing someone of being anti-American because of their speech is not censorship. Asking for people to be banned, statements made but are unappreciated to be deleted or moved from a thread ARE examples of censorship. It has been my experience that when I make a statement I am called into question (and sometimes for VERY good reason) but a Liberal makes the same statement and it is somehow justified. As far as Mercury Retrograde, yes, I agree with the analysis concerning the voting machines. I am not sure if means that Dems will be mocked, but I do think that the newly voted in Democrats AND Republican candidates may be in for a tough run. Incumbents probably won't experience it as they had been in office BEFORE the retrograde. I view it more like signing a contract- never do it during Mercury retro UNLESS the contract has been in negotiations for a good amount of time. I don't know that campaigning counts. But, it will interesting nonetheless...
"and" you have missed the entire context of my question OR you are trying to sidestep it with an emotional outburst.
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posted November 08, 2006 05:16 PM
couldnt think of a better response, pidiful? ------------------
"WHATEVER the soul longs for, WILL be attained by the spirit"-Khalil Gibran "The only people I would care to be with now are artists and people who have suffered: those who know what beauty is, and those who know what sorrow is: nobody else interests me."-- Oscar Wilde-- "De Profundis" IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted November 08, 2006 05:32 PM
Pid,Well our Merc's are in different signs, so communication would probably be affected, but it's more than that. I saw what you attempted to do, which is marginalize MK who had a valid perspective and point of view. MK made an innocuous statement comparing politics to sports, and you jumped on it in an attempt to either make her look bad, or make yourself look better. Neither worked, because it is an apt analogy. I've shown how it was an apt analogy, and because I did so MK doesn't have to feel the need to defend herself whatsoever (though she's done that quite nicely). It's not about "leftests" not understanding your arguments. It's that your arguments are lacking. You often speak before you really consider things, or at least that's how it's perceived by your viewers (yes, I'll speak for everyone as no one's ever come to your side to defend how logical, mature, and well spoken you are when we have these conversations). If you stopped, and made sure you saw all sides of the argument before you launched into an ill-conceived argument you'd be twice as effective and compelling as you are now. For some reason, due to the fact that you work in science you believe that you're logic couldn't possibly be flawed. Yet, we've seen numerous times when it's been clear that you haven't properly understood the post you're replying to. The latest example I can think of was the one where you accused Naiad of calling Jwhop a mysogynist when she'd said nothing of the sort. So yes, if someone is arguing something that doesn't make sense or isn't an argument I may decide to say something. You can try to call it censorship if you like, but you know that's not true (and we also know that that's not something that the Left is known for). It's simply setting the record straight (and not allowing your words or the intent behind the words to go unchallenged). Would I prefer you not to speak rather than make a poor argument? How would you answer? Do you prefer compelling arguments or someone making innacurate statements? I prefer to hear intelligent argument. I absolutely don't prefer people latching on to meaningless analogies in an attempt to belittle or discredit the poster. IP: Logged |
pidaua
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posted November 08, 2006 05:42 PM
Thank you AG- I am glad we have you here to put things into a Liberal perspective. Although you think of yourself as some kind of hero here to defend the words of your counterparts, I can guarantee you those of us on the Right feel your arguments do not hold water. You and your cronies have constantly put down my writing styles, yet the right understands me perfectly. Then again, most of us on the right think you are way of in your debating technique. Often you see only what you want to see and how it applies to you. All other arguments that do not support your line of thinking or those of your friends are thrown out and considered illogical. Once again, we are at odds with the other. Agree to disagree or keep carrying it on, it makes not a bit of difference to me. IP: Logged |
pidaua
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posted November 08, 2006 05:46 PM
Damn... I thought we threw out that diaper? Maybe you should stick to these winning gems "and"Topic: california is blessed
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Knowflake
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posted October 26, 2006 02:43 AM
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because we have in and out burger...yummmyyy
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Knowflake
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posted October 21, 2006 09:58 AM
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BANNED! p1ssed is banned! why? its not a bad word...maybe I type p1SSED TOO MUCCCCHHH....
________________________ Yep.. real intellect there "and". LMAO...... IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted November 08, 2006 05:50 PM
I haven't put things in a "Liberal" perspective. I've put things in a logical perspective based on the evidence given. If anyone wishes to disagree let them be heard.
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