posted December 04, 2006 03:19 PM              

Why are you being an antagoniser when you can see that its most peoples' intention to forgive and maybe start to heal the rift.

posted December 04, 2006 03:32 PM            

I don't think he is being an antagonizer. Randall, the OWNER of this website, has been unfairly accused of several low-down actions. It is only fair that he be defended since no one has yet to defend him.

jwhop has every right to make a comment in defense of the accusation as he was just as much a part of these threads as everyone else.

I do not want to see an ugly debate on this matter. There has been too much ugliness lately here. Too many accusations being thrown around and when people defend others- more accusations abound.

It is time for us to move on and get past the unsubstantiated allegations along with using our grief to single out a specific person based on past grievances.

posted December 04, 2006 03:42 PM              

Just thought it a bit silly and petty of him to drag up all that stuff again from all those months ago (wasnt referring to the recent events

No offence guys....

You are right Pid....

posted December 04, 2006 04:16 PM            

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jwhop
Why are you being an antagoniser when you can see that its most peoples' intention to forgive and maybe start to heal the rift.

Stop it please and go play your silly games elsewhere...its not funny man..Sue

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There's been plenty of offense, most of it directed lately to those who don't deserve it nor the lies used to promote it.

Randall did not crash the KS site.

Pid did not delete entire pages of threads.

What I said about KS and KS members IS true.

If you want to stop it, talk to the person who started it, promoted it and is keeping it going...Mirandee

posted December 04, 2006 04:17 PM            

I think it jwhop also brought it up because there are several threads that are directed at me as either an out and out attack or a covert suggestion that I am at fault for current circumstances.

It is bothersome because it seems that some would rather fall into an angry blame game and take their grief out on me, rather than concentrate on the person that really needs the positive energy.

If we really want to lay blame, then all of us that have said mean and hurtful things are all to blame. Not just me, because for every vicious remark I have made, I can also find one from several people here that keep pointing fingers at me.

posted December 04, 2006 04:45 PM            

No one was stating that Randall crashed the KS site. What they're referring to is the [KS] thread here, and how it suddenly truncated similarly to this one. There's actually 5 pages to this thread. We've probably just destroyed the former page 4, but I could still find page 5 as late as yesterday.

posted December 04, 2006 05:02 PM            

The KS thread was long and had tons of graphics. It had to have been a glitch because it started to rewrite itself, which I had never seen before.

Weird....

posted December 06, 2006 12:18 PM              

My reason therefore for requesting that this thread be locked and closed is because that "glitch" wiped out my posts here with what I actually said while Pidaua keeps running with and repeating over and over a distortion and lie regarding what I actually said about her "causing Ginny's illness." Truthfully I do not ascribe any power to Pidaua least of all the power to make someone ill. Not even God makes people ill or causes them to have a brain tumor. No way would I even think that a mere human being, no matter who they are, would have such a power. It ludicrous to even imply that I would say such a thing. I explained what I actually said and why I said it more than once and I do not have to keep explaining it.

I don't have a lot of computer time and the time I have had on the computer I have been spending getting the original Mirandee thread in order with smilies etc. in tact and that has been time consuming since the "glitch" not only deleted 4 pages of this thread but it also wiped out the internet addresses of those posts after a time which makes it a bit more time consuming and difficult to have in order when you grab and save those posts before the addresses are erased. Luckily both my daughter and myself were posting here on this thread at the time that "glitch" happened so between the two of us we were able to grab this thread intact before it was completely erased.

posted December 07, 2006 01:18 AM              

writesomething
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posted December 02, 2006 01:54 AM

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Yes, all join in to disgrace Mirandee,
who is extremely saddened by the suffering of a dear friend.
Kick her further while she's down. Don't begin to understand for one millisecond that her anger is a natural stage of grief...and in my eyes BEAUTIFUL that she would be so loyal and caring for her friend to feel the need to protect her right now from potential insincere energies.

I've known Rainbow for years. She's like a grandmother to me,
and damnit, have to say that now that I've just read Pid's words to her here, I'm angry as hell too! Natural reaction for anyone who truly cares for her.

Dredging up the past?
This was days ago. I think I can understand how Mirandee might feel upon seeing it.

No one should ever for any reason be spoken to in such a way, especially not such a sweet heart as Ginny. And this goes on daily here from Pid. Not just to Rainbow...to anyone who has the audacity to be or think in anyway different from her or question how she treats others.

And everyone just turns and looks the other way. Or worse, encourages her to do so by telling anyone who has the self respect to defend themselves that they are "negative", or twist their words until they are no longer decipherable from what they originally were and try to make it like they're the crazy, spiteful, petty ones.

Is this the twilight zone?

Sometimes here in GU, you feel like that guy there...the one that everyone else is trying to convince he's insane, when he's really the only one who's has any sense of reality.

F*CKING APATHY and lack of COMPASSION and INTEGRITY disguised as peace and love.
It's all Images...where is substance and truth?

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Yes, Ginny said things she shouldn't have here too, but in all the time I've known her, I've never witnessed her speak to anyone else in any way but gentle, compassionate and loving. Pid brought that out of her and I believe she was satiated that she could. Some kind of twisted, sadistic power game....I have no idea.
Not sure I want to dwelve that far to figure it out.

It was entirely uncharacteristic of Ginny to respond to anyone in the way she did to Pid, and I know from talks with her that it truly disturbed her that she was brought down to that level and wished she could just walk away, but felt she needed to stand and defend herself. Strong, admirable lady she is.

With Ginny it was uncharacteristic.
With Mirandee it is {i]uncharacteristic[/i].
Is it uncharacteristic of Pidaua?
Can anyone say that? (with a straight face)

Wake up, please, any out there who have any sense of decency and TRUE sincerity of care to see the TRUTH.

I do hope Pidaua's post to Ginny was sincere.

"hope whatever it is that rotting your brain right now...",

because, god, that f*cking echos in my mind right now. Hope not so for Ginny.

And perhaps you should all reread Mirandee's post concerning your accusations that she was accusing Pid of Rainbow's illness:

quote:Though I don't really believe that...

before you pick and choose what you want to hear, dismiss the bit you don't, so you can jump down her throat while she is obviously distressed and saddened of heart and could instead use some words of comfort, kindness and compassion.

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Lialei
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posted December 02, 2006 12:24 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Lialei Edit/Delete Message

Mirandee,
I know your intentions are from love and your focus is and has been for Ginny's welfare. And I know Ginny would see and understand that too.

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I went back on my browser Lia, and its still there...great post...

and for some reason, I cant post on my regular name *AND*, it says invalid password???

Now check out what appeared on And's posts from page one of the original Mirandee thread after the "glitch." Make note of And's profile on her posts and where it says where she from:

This is how it is now when you go to page 1 December 06-06

and
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On December-02-06 it was this:

and
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posted November 11, 2006 03:50 AM
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ditto:

This is how it was on the original from page 1, November-11-06

and
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posted November 11, 2006 03:50 AM
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And's profile on both her Writesomething profile and her And profile for where she is from always read "Meet Me In Montauk". Is this not true, And?

This is the very same post where And's profile, not anyone else's profile here but just And's profile, changed twice from on the same post she posted on Nov. 11.

A "glitch" might have erased some posts but does a "glitch" change the profile of just one of the members and would a "glitch" change that profile to read from "psychopath?"

Someone was definitely messing with And's profile last Friday night.

The following is the dialouge that I had with Lotus so you can see how that went down and what I actually said. I will bold where I stated " Though I don't really believe that" after giving Lotus an example to show where she was contradicting herself by applying negative powers to me but not to Pidaua's negative words to Ginny.

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posted December 01, 2006 12:49 PM "TYPE=PICT;ALT=ClickHeretoSeetheProfileforlotusheartone"

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Mirandee..I think this was unfair..dragging up the past..to make someone look bad..it is you that has learned nothing..
I know Pidaua feels horrible about Rainbow's situation...

this is just mean. ...

it was done..Pid wrote a nice reply to Rainbow..Heartfelt I Know. ...

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posted December 01, 2006 12:55 PM "TYPE=PICT;ALT=ClickHeretoSeetheProfileforlotusheartone"

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Mirandee..you must understand..that it is you
that brings up the negativity..even when it has left..you bring it back
and you feed it..this does not help Rainbow's condition..Only LOve can helpForgiving all..coming full circle
In LOve and LIght for ALL. ...

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posted December 01, 2006 01:00 PM "TYPE=PICT;ALT=ClickHeretoSeetheProfileforlotusheartone"

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and Mirandee..I do know that you are hurting right now..for your friend..it's a natural reaction to get angry and attack..all is forgiven..There is no negativity here..I LOve You..I LOve ALL... .

LOve and LIght. ...

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posted December 01, 2006 01:17 PM "TYPE=PICT;ALT=ClickHeretoSeetheProfileforMirandee"

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Of course you think it is unfair, Lotus.

But you know what? I could care less what you or any of Pidaua's other co-dependents and enablers here at LL think.

This needed to be shown. Hopefully you, Lotus and Pidaua can learn something from Rainbow's misfortune. But whether or not you or any of you do is entirely up to you and frankly, I couldn't care less at this point.

edited to add: It is your perception that I am attacking, Lotus. That is not my intention. My intention is to point out there is a lesson to be learned here by everyone. Pidaua on the most part.

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posted December 01, 2006 01:22 PM "TYPE=PICT;ALT=ClickHeretoSeetheProfileforlotusheartone"

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I am sorry you feel that way..there are two sides to everything..karma and such..not evil..just karma..
everyOne must come full circle and forgiveclean slate...
new beginnings
not of carrying on Hate. ...

this can cause sickness..carrying and focus of negative thoughts are not good for you..Fear nothing..nothing can hurt you..when you have gone within and KNOW
Good Prevails

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lotusheartone
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posted December 01, 2006 01:24 PM "TYPE=PICT;ALT=ClickHeretoSeetheProfileforlotusheartone"

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I was just wondering, Mirandee..
What lesson do you think you need to learn from this?

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posted December 01, 2006 01:25 PM "TYPE=PICT;ALT=ClickHeretoSeetheProfileforMirandee"

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Lotus, Maybe it was Pidaua's negativity and her constant remarks about Ginny having brain damage that caused her cancer. Did you ever think of that? I mean with all your talk on the power of negativity and karma and all that one would think the thought might occur to you.

Evil wishes and hate directed at others can be a powerful thing.

Though I don't really believe that but as long you are directing just the negativity at me it is something for you think about????

Maybe this time you all can read with some comprehension?

posted December 07, 2006 06:30 AM              

did you read the symptons on the
new thread you posted?

It's ironic

you can't change the past
move forward..to carry so
much hate and vengeance
inside is not good for you

forgive, for the LOve of God
Already...

it's time to move forward. ...

and I'm sorry if I have offended you
but this is not what Rainbow needs
she needs LOve and Light

not negativity..

posted September 29, 2007 04:14 AM              

Both Pidaua and I have changed and because neither Pid nor myself hold grudges or live in the past we are capable of changing and bridging gaps that once separated us.

Why are you still living in the past, Lotus?

As long as you keep looking backwards into the past you cannot move forward. If you cannot move forward to live in the now then you aren't capable of changing.

posted September 29, 2007 04:16 AM              

LOve to ALL. ...

posted September 29, 2007 04:22 AM              

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posted December 02, 2006 04:59 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Bear the Leo Edit/Delete Message To show just portions of this thread are not even close to showing compassion which is what pidaua (my wife) did on the Rainbow thread in the FFA forum. She has even tried to make peace more than a couple times here and all you folks can do is still attack and blame her for and during this tragic event. It isnt her fault. It does take two to tango be it loving, arguing, or fighting.

I know for fact all of your accusations of pidaua are false and incorrect especially about editing her posts. It is a time to have compassion for the ones we love and hold dear to us. I hope you all can focus your emotions on helping ginny recover instead of attacking and blaming everyone else.

Pidaua and my hearts go out to ginny and hope she has a speedy recovery. Here is the post my wife posted in FFA in case anyone hasnt seen it.

Qoute,
"To Rainbow,
I know we have had our differences, truth be told there is something that I admire about you. You have the strength of our people behind you and I know you will pull through this.

My heart and prayers are with you, although it may not mean much. You and I are similiar in our love for our family, which makes me respect you even more.

I know you will get through this because we still have more to fight about

As much as we have fought, as much as we have gone through to lose you grandmother would hurt all of Linda Land.

I am very sorry if I have hurt you, I do respect you and the Little River Ottawa tribe. I will burn sage for you tonight in the hope that you will feel the strength of my ancestors.

Blessed be, pidaua"

Even after this Mirandee posted on this.

Qoute,
"Lotus, Maybe it was Pidaua's negativity and her constant remarks about Ginny having brain damage that caused her cancer. Did you ever think of that? I mean with all your talk on the power of negativity and karma and all that one would think the thought might occur to you.
Evil wishes and hate directed at others can be a powerful thing."- Mirandee
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"The night before the surgery on her brain tumor, even with all her fear and worry over that, when I spoke to Ginny on the phone, she referred to this post of Pidaua's and said please don't let Pidaua know about this as she will use it against me.

That says it all right there. And hopefully Pidaua has learned something from this and hopefully all those here at LL who are co-dependents and enablers of Pidaua's behavior have learned something from it as well."- Mirandee

Not only was this uncalled for but others felt it was also. Here is the post from jwhop.

"Mirandee, I read what you said on the Rainbow thread in FFA. It's one of the most underhanded and vile attacks I've seen on this site. You decided to follow it up with another here, to the point of accusing Pid of being the causative agent in manifesting Rainbow's brain tumor.
There is no nice way to say this Mirandee and you deserve no effort to be nice to you.

Your comments could only come from a shriveled soul full of hate and bile. In this instance, your project your own hateful thoughts on Pid...oh, and her enablers here too.

I read what Pid had to say on FFA and there's not a hint she wishes Rainbow anything but the very best medical outcome, as do I. Nor has anyone including Pid attempted to use Rainbows medical condition against her...nor would they.

Unlike you Mirandee, normal people are able to separate the person from their political beliefs. Normal people can and do oppose others political beliefs without wishing some calamity to befall them.

You need professional help."-jwhop

Even CG wrote something about what was said here it is.

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"I think it's best that we assume that your 'hypothesis' (allbeit one that you said you yourself wouldn't even believe) about Pid's comments to Rainbow having had anything to do with the tumour are just such a product of emotions running high. I would strongly suggest you take those comments back and apologise for them because quite frankly that was distasteful and very beneath you. If you don't believe it then why even mention it? Why call other people's attention to it? It was completely uncalled for and totally unfair. You all said some hateful things to one another; should we hold you personally responsible if Pid falls ill next or if Jwhop comes down with something? Of course not. It's utterly ridiculous.

From what I read, Pid was genuinely moved by Rainbow's illness and she had no need to write anything at all on that thread in fact - we all know what's been going on between the 3 of you on these boards because we've all had to sit through the sorry display for too long if we wanted to get a word in and start an actual discussion. As such, I would hazard a guess that no one imagined Pid would make any comment on that particular thread. Not only did she comment but in my opinion she wrote some beautiful words and expressed a genuine concern for a fellow human being. Now if you're going to try and turn that into something ugly or something to be frowned upon and sneered at, then I'm afraid I for one will lose a great deal of respect for you Mirandee. Far from 'using this against' Rainbow, Pid has ceased all hostility which is something you sadly seem to be incapable of. To express caring for someone, especially if it's someone you have had viscious arguments with is something that should not be sniffed at in my opinion; you said you hope Pid learns from this? Well I hope you learn from it too Mirandee. I hope you learn the capacity to forgive and to truly rid yourself of negativity once and for all. Because whether it causes illness or not, it's an ugly thing to behold and causes bitterness and anger which aren't very healthy at all.

Before I'm accused of "only sticking up for my 'friends'" and favouring one side, you might be interested to learn that Pid and I have often had our arguments on this forum and have spat some choice words back and forth several times. We certainly don't see eye to eye politically, but based solely on her capacity to reach out genuinely and warmly to another human being, or her 'enemy' as you would have it, I would be honoured to call her a friend."- CG

Thank you for pointing the things out that you two have. It is nice to see that others on the thread have also seen the wrong in this.

Just for the record she hasnt come on here and used anything against ginny. What she has done is show compassion so there was no reason at all to come on here and try to start the hate again.

Take the end of your post for example.

Qoute.
"edited to add: Guess now you know what accounted for " what is eating away" at Ginny's brain, Pidaua and I hope you are real proud of these statements."- Mirandee

She didnt reply and wont reply to this statement there is no reason to. But when
Rainbow found out that pidaua's ex was abusive this is what she stated.

Qoute
"In the first place, I had no idea that her ex was “abusive” so how could I say she deserved something I didn’t even know anything a bout??

But you know what?
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Had I known a bout the abuse, it makes sense that I probablyWOULD say she deserved it, nasty little wench that she is….."- Rainbow

Then Lailei says this.

"It was entirely uncharacteristic of Ginny to respond to anyone in the way she did to Pid, and I know from talks with her that it truly disturbed her that she was brought down to that level and wished she could just walk away, but felt she needed to stand and defend herself. Strong, admirable lady she is.

With Ginny it was uncharacteristic.
With Mirandee it is {i]uncharacteristic[/i].
Is it uncharacteristic of Pidaua?
Can anyone say that? (with a straight face)"-Lialei

I have seen her be nasty to a couple different folks here so to say this is totally off. I can say it with a straight face and I think others can also. Maybe it is like what you put in your own post, "she could just walk away, but felt she needed to stand and defend herself".

Maybe some should follow Mirandee's words and let it be and concetrate your emotions in a positive way.

Qoute
"I am only concerned with God knows regarding all of this."- Mirandee

Rainbow we hope you are recovering well. Glad to hear the surgery went without any problems. Hope you have a speedy recovery.

Baby, I am sorry you are being the brunt of this thread. I love you, Bear.