posted March 28, 2007 01:40 PM            

Perhaps I haven't made myself clear..yet.

Let me correct that now.

When you and your leftist friends, those here now, those who came before you and those who couldn't take the heat for what they posted and didn't come back to GU; those who declared a jihad against the President, against Rumsfeld, against Cheney, against Rice, against Republicans and against the United States itself; you declared war.

I'm not against war for the right reasons.

I have no intention of backing off a millimeter. My rhetoric is consistent in nature with those on the left. My rhetoric is intended to be razor sharp, cutting and inflammatory. The difference is that I tell the truth about leftists and leftists lie about Bush, lie about Cheney, lied about Rumsfeld and lie about the United States.

quote:

---

I keep telling you, Jwhop that the whole world knows that Bush and his administration lied more than once in giving their reasons for invading Iraq....Mirandee

---

This is a perfect example of the lying left and one of your lies you've posted over and over here.

If Bush had lied, you would have been able to find it in a heartbeat. So why haven't you found and posted the specific lie or lies you allege Bush told? Why, after 3 US bipartisan commissions and a British commission, the Butler Commission convened to address the issue of Saddam seeking uranium from Africa...among others and those Commissions finding no basis upon which Bush lied, twisted intelligence, cherry picked intelligence or pressured any intelligence agency or analyst for a particular finding; why do you continue with your lies?

Instead, you post "conclusions" from brain dead leftist morons who couldn't find their as$es with both hands...instead of quotes directly from Bush himself.

Every brain dead moron icon of the left is a target of opportunity for me and will continue to be targets. Who they are, what they are, their agenda, their hypocrisy, their lies, their associations and their agenda...as I detailed the information about Jim Wallis, Sojourners, the National Council of Churches, the World Council of Churches and the phony religiosity of the leftist church movement. As leftist icons open their mouths and reveal their brain dead status, their hypocrisy and their lies, I will continue to go after them tooth and nail.

quote:

---

Let's see if Jwhop can truly conduct himself in a discussion without attacking anyone on the left, the Democrats, or any Democrat in office and especially any of us here on the left.

Let's see who wins this challenge. The Right or the Left....Mirandee

---

You and your leftist friends couldn't cease your personal attacks for 3 hours. acoustic failed after 3 minutes, you failed after 5 minutes, BlueRoamer failed within an hour or so. I told you I would adopt a wait and see attitude:

quote:

---

I'll withhold judgment on your challenge..to see if anyone on the left can make a reasonable argument about US, Bush Administration policy and Republicans without interjecting personal insults.

---

posted March 28, 2007 01:41 PM            

quote:

---

You know what DL was saying. She was saying that moderators, no matter what forum they moderate at, should be setting some kind of example for others on the board. If the mods don't follow the rules why should anyone else?

---

As I moderated FFA for over two years, I feel I can sincerely reply to the quote

Yes mods must "follow the rules" but first & important are the traits for a mod, yes?

A good sense of humor, a modicum of objectivity and self respect is a must. Mods will always take a hit, a hazzard of this Labor of Love.

Eleanor fits the criteria as close as I`ve ever seen, especially as she posts in G.U ( a tough forum to hold your ground while filling the mod shoes)

All the mods do a good job and I salute them as I`ve been there, done that

Lets make it a Thank You Moderators Day for them freely giving your time & energy here!

------------------
~
What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~

posted March 28, 2007 02:18 PM            

A sense of humor has been missing as we constantly fight against and for the war. Neither side understands the other- instead it has become an emotional debate from both sides.

I still have to stand by what jwhop says, especially now. People don't understand what is really going on in Iraq, yet they feed into the sensationlism of what the media spews out.

On an Army wives forum a wife recently posted how her husbands platoon lost 3 Soldiers. They were handing out candy and gifts to children. The insurgents didn't care for that kind of goodwill, so they sent a homicide bomber into the group of children. 3 Soldiers are dead the platoon is reeling from the effects of seeing children murdered for the sake of an "ideology".

That is what we are up against. It isn't a new way of fighting and it isn't a result of our so called "occupation" it is a result of extremists that routinely kill their own children in order to prove how fierce they are.

Instead of cowering in a corner and screaming for our troops to withdrawal, we should be even more angry over those tactics employed by terrorists. Anyone that kills children in order to prove a point is the lowest form of a human being on Earth.

Then again, we can't even pass Jessica's law in every state in this country. We allow child killers and pedophiles to serve 4 months (see Maryland's recent case where a man routine raped his daughter for 8 years and only received a slap on the hand) for commiting an atrocious crime. Vallerio (a member of the MD house) has consistently fought against mandatory sentences for these offenders, also supports a troop pull out and makes excuses for terrorists.

posted March 28, 2007 02:30 PM              

In this day and Age, that we are in this mess..with all that we know...

I hope and pray for ALL....

to awaken
from this

Grand Illusion

we all created, As Above, So Below
but opposite,

Mirror, Know ThySelf = OverSoul....

posted March 28, 2007 02:42 PM            

One mod who was more open minded and compassion oriented recently resigned. Hmmmm

Why not just make Jwhop and Lotus mods? LOL

posted March 28, 2007 02:48 PM            

If they were, they would have banned anyone that posted caustic and inflammatory pics of the President and other Republicans.

If they were all conservative we wouldn't have seen the crazy conspiracy theories perpetuated by the far left against the Administration and the posts would have been deleted or closed.

They are "objective" meaning, they only step in when things cross a certain line, such as when some become blatantly racist or offensive (Sweet Stars).

We have all been able to voice our opinions, no matter how nutty without having them deleted, closed or edited. The exception has been when we have so many posts on a thread that the thread actually begins to cannibalize itself.

That said......

I am tired of this WEATHER in Idaho. I miss the damn SUN!!! I swear, I am going to paint the guest room I am staying in Yellow (I don't even LIKE that color) because I am tired of dreary gray LOL....and the rain... and the fact that this darn place has not seen 60 degree temps since I have been here... booo hooo....... I want the sun.... Arizona.... and Bear

posted March 28, 2007 03:58 PM            

The notion would have pleased the parents tho..... but alas folks, No way Jose!

------------------
~
What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~

posted March 28, 2007 04:47 PM            

quote:

---

You and your leftist friends couldn't cease your personal attacks for 3 hours. acoustic failed after 3 minutes, you failed after 5 minutes, BlueRoamer failed within an hour or so. I told you I would adopt a wait and see attitude:

---

Jwhop, when exactly did I agree to do this? For that matter, when did YOU agree to this? It's very difficult to claim to have won a competition when the competition had no competitors.

posted March 28, 2007 05:09 PM            

quote:

---

Everyone on the left, lets all call Jwhop on this challenge. Let's all just give our thoughts without any personal attacks on the Republicans or those in office now or anyone on the right here at GU....Mirandee.

---

There's always that 10% who never get the word acoustic...or who never "get it" period.

I consider you a charter member of that group.

quote:

---

I'll withhold judgment on your challenge..to see if anyone on the left can make a reasonable argument about US, Bush Administration policy and Republicans without interjecting personal insults.

---

Not only can those on the left NOT make reasonable arguments, if they didn't post insults they would have nothing to say at all.

Notice, I said ANYONE on the left. There was NO ONE...which was in no way surprising to me, in spite of all the bleating by leftists here.

posted March 28, 2007 05:13 PM            

quote:

---

if anyone on the left can make a reasonable argument about US, Bush Administration policy and Republicans without interjecting personal insults.

---

My last thread: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/003345.html

Care to pick out the personal insults contained in there from MY side. Note that that thread was started before this thread even existed.

posted March 28, 2007 05:17 PM              

brain dead leftists, is not a personal insult, it is a generalization... .

posted March 28, 2007 05:20 PM              

You're stupid!

posted March 28, 2007 06:19 PM            

quote:

---

Care to pick out the personal insults contained in there from MY side. Note that that thread was started before this thread even existed....acoustic

---

Oh, was that YOUR side, the leftist side making an argument or attempting discussion acoustic?

For some reason, I thought it was Dan Eggen and Paul Kane of the Washington Post and Laurie Kellman of the Associated Press making the argument.

Thanks for the admission the press are leftists acoustic

Even when these leftist morons are supposedly doing straight reporting, they can't refrain from interjecting loaded lying words into their stories.

I noticed...."A defiant President Bush"...made it's way into the AP story. Defiant....as used, is an adjective describing a noun. In that context, Bush is rebelling against authority.

But the Congress of the United States HAS NO AUTHORITY OVER THE PRESIDENT. They can't "make" Bush do a damned thing. 3 separate but equal branches of government. The Congress especially has no authority over the President in the area of US Attorneys...who serve at the pleasure of the President...not the pleasure of the Congress. Further, those appointed by the President enjoy Executive Privilege from disclosing their conversations with the President...unless there is compelling evidence of a crime. In this case, there's not even an allegation.

Now, when congressional subpoenas hit the White House, Bush should march those meddling leftist democrats straight up the steps of the Supreme Court and stomp all over them for attempting to exert control over the Executive Branch of government.

Are you asking me if you accepted Mirandee's challenge acoustic?

I thought I made it clear you failed to follow your leader.

posted March 28, 2007 08:03 PM            

Not a single word of personal insult from me

And that thread was started before this one came into being, before you and Mirandee started negotions on a competition you implied my participation in, though I hadn't agreed or even spoken about it.

posted March 28, 2007 09:12 PM            

quote:

---

Of course Jwhop was here, and acting in exactly the same way prior to many of us arriving here, so this war started sometime prior to at least May 2005...acoustic

---

Let me remind you that one of your early actions here was to accuse the United States of oppressing/repressing Iraqi citizens.

posted March 28, 2007 09:31 PM            

quote:

---

How odd acoustic that you posted this...right under Mirandee's challenge...but now say you weren't really signing on to support her.

---

Does it say anywhere in that post anything about me participating in a contest?

quote:

---

So stop playing the martyr and drop the Goodytwoshoes pretense.

---

posted March 28, 2007 09:41 PM            

We can handle it.

I only brought this up again because you had another martyr moment.

It's you and other leftists who are constantly trying to show everyone your oowies.

posted March 28, 2007 10:40 PM            

Don't even try to deny that YOU YOURSELF claimed that your behavior was born of people being antagonistic of your views. Re-read the post you started this thread with. If anyone's whining it's you. You can't handle being part of the minority, so you're trying to take down the majority. It's very transparent behavior. If any person or group has a martry complex it's you guys.

posted March 28, 2007 11:56 PM            

quote:

---

Now when that happened, basically all out war started. Bullies don't like it when people push back. How dare we?! We should just stand there and take the stoning. --Isis

---

posted March 29, 2007 02:12 AM            

March 13

quote:

---

Anywhere outside of GU people see you as pathetic in your attempts at stirring up trouble....acoustic

---

March 22

quote:

---

You are the one that can't play nice with others....acoustic

---

March 22

quote:

---

They hated GU long before I ever showed up. They hate GU for the atmosphere you've single-handedly created. You tell me what kind of person takes a place and makes it hostile....acoustic

---

March 23

quote:

---

As to answering Isis, I know her intentions are good, but one need only witness what happens when Jwhop's absent to see the night and day difference in GU. If you wanted to go further than that, then you could poll those who no longer frequent GU for their reasons, and I think it would certainly be a safe bet that Jwhop's personality would be a common thread....acoustic

---

March 26....5:21pm

quote:

---

I think that saying that would make sense if we were talking about equal entities, but we're not. There is no one else here with a three year history of this kind of behavior....acoustic

---

Then acoustic you had the gall to say this.

quote:

---

Re-read the post you started this thread with. If anyone's whining it's you. You can't handle being part of the minority, so you're trying to take down the majority. It's very transparent behavior. If any person or group has a martry complex it's you guys....acoustic

---

Now acoustic, I started this thread on March 26 at 6:40pm....and specifically because of your incessant whining....AFTER you had been whining and wetting yourself for 2 weeks.

You also said this and it's total bullshiiit.

quote:

---

Don't even try to deny that YOU YOURSELF claimed that your behavior was born of people being antagonistic of your views...acoustic

---

I stated the exact reason I decided to take on the leftists here and I stated that in the opening post of this thread.

quote:

---

Over time, some people showed up here and started venting their spleen with personal attacks against George Bush and the United States. Bush has been called everything but a mammal on this forum. America has been called an oppressor and imperialistic.

Bush intelligence, spirituality, appearance, character and every personal facet of his person has been attacked.

---

The leftists here started a war by their slanders, lies, mischaracterizations and personal attacks on Bush...and the United States. Not because they attacked MY VIEWS

posted March 29, 2007 03:12 AM            

quote:

---

AFTER you had been whining and wetting yourself for 2 weeks.

---

This is interesting considering you were gone March 14th - 20th. You're suggesting that I was whining in your absence? We both know that isn't true.

Now, I know Republicans like to think of themselves as badasses, but the recurring theme of you and your friends since I pointed out that you singlehandedly sour this place is that you guys are victims. It makes no difference to me whether you want to claim you're warring for your President or warring for yourself, you STILL said that your reaction is the result of a slight that YOU take personally. You said in your first post here [to the people that oppose you], "You started a war. You refused to stop." Logically, it follows that your response is a reaction to feeling victimized regardless of whether it's for yourself or for your party.

posted March 29, 2007 03:27 AM              

Again I will ask, why can't we all just admit we are equally to blame for the toxic atmosphere here at GU, wipe the slate clean and start anew from here?

Why is a rational discussion seemingly impossible for a group of adults who appear to have intelligence? Why can't adults just simply say, " I disagree with your post and this is why," instead of all the personal attacks?

Juni, I agree about mods and in fact I did suggest to Randall in a thread at FFA that Eleanore would be a good mod for GU since she does post here often and attempts to be fair. I meant that.

Pid, I also agree with you that a sense of humor would help. We all have our convictions to which we are dedicated but we don't have to take ourselves so seriously.

Jwhop, I only suggested to those on the left that we take up the challenge. AG is correct in that it was only a suggestion and no one took me up on that suggestion. No one said they would take the challenge and you didn't either so there is no challenge that was broken since none ever existed.

Truthfully I haven't been posting much at GU for a while now because frankly, the computer is my relaxing time when I can get on it. I don't come online to sit and argue with people. That is not relaxing or enjoyable to me at all.

No one seems to care to hear the viewpoints of others. They only seem interested in spouting their own viewpoints and if you disagree an argument with name calling and labeling begins. If we actually listened to each other's viewpoints we might actually learn something from looking at it from a different perspective. We might actually learn something about each other too and why we think as we do. Of course we might have to open up our minds a bit for that to happen.

And you know the saying, " A mind is like a parachute. It doesn't function until it is open."

For that reason I don't even want to waste my time giving my viewpoints. I would get the same results from talking to a wall but without all the flak in return.

I give up. The "spirit is willing but the flesh is weak."

We couldn't even manage to have a rational discussion on a thread with that in the title. We did get the rock throwing part of the title down pretty good though.

edited to say: Jwhop, I never launched any war here at GU. I was only giving my opinions and thoughts. I am on the side of the doves, remember? Not the hawks. So since I am not fighting in any war or in favor of war in general, I can't lose. Mainly because I can simply choose to not fight. That you see it as a war here at GU is very disturbing. Why does it have to be win or lose with you? Why can't it ever be win/win?

quote:

---

"Seems an interesting game. The only way to win is to not play."

---

Quote from the movie " War Games."

posted March 29, 2007 07:48 AM            

Both sides do it. But how many people have pidaua, jwhop, Isis or anyone else on the "right" or, more appropriately, the non-left, singled out for their behavior consistently? How many of them have cried foul and "I've been attacked"? How many of them deny or try to diminish their own responsibility in their posting manner?

That's the fundamental difference. Which is why my first post on this thread amused a few more than myself.

And I will disagree. I read and understand what everyone here posts. I just disagree. And when you disagree with the majority around here, you're accused of being unfair, unobjective or being a conservative or favoring such.

This is not the first time this has happened, either.

Neither are you the first to ask that we ALL refrain from posting insulting material here. That includes any personal attacks on anybody. I don't like that people can't do it. But neither will I say that only those on the left have the right to insult as they please. Tolerance works on all levels. Which is why the majority of us haven't been banned.

I know we're all human beings. No one is perfect. But it sure seems like a lot of people here think their opinions or attempts at analysis are above reproach. Don't agree with them and they'll turn on you.

It's absurd. However, I see nothing of virtue in being offended by everything someone posts. Here's a thought. Try empathy. Put yourself in the other person's shoes for a moment. Try to understand what they were trying to say before you insist that they've offended you. And even saying that is almost a waste because some who need to do that most will say, "Well I do that it's only those other people who don't".

And my comment regarding being attacked as a mod was quite simply hyperbole. Which is exactly what I'm talking about. Misunderstanding an obvious and simplistic element of writing and then twisting it into something it wasn't. How much do people want to be offended here that they'll grab at anything someone says?

Also, if none of you have realized it, if there is any favoring going on around here, it's from the left. Don't agree with them? You must be right/conservative. Argue their points and guess what? You must be right/conservative. The webmaster refuses to bow to your arguments? It must be some kind of right/conservative conspiracy.

Yeah. If it's negative, it must be from people on the right. Nevermind how many of us sit comfortably on the middle regarding politics and say so. No, no. We disagree with you so we simply must be right/conservative. Surely you all have an opinion as favorable about the right as you do about the left. <sarcasm>

And before someone cries unfair and what about jwhop ... jwhop has stated many times he has nothing against liberals/leftists in general. What he and many others have a problem with is the radical left and their unbelievable words/actions.