posted February 05, 2008 03:08 PM              

First, I'd like to examine that study.

Secondly I'd like to add to that investigation, since I'm almost positive it overlooked a whole lot of connections that were intuitively apparent just from looking at the Wikipedia entry.

I'll begin by listing the Carlyle Groups publicly listed holdings, and then tracking the stock performance of those companies prior to and after September 11th.

Notable to me and definitely worth looking into, is the fact that a large percentage of Carlyle's holdings are security, military or energy related.

Of note also is the fact that less than 3 years after the Carlyle Group's formation in 1987, I was being called to war.

Similarly, with James Baker III at their sides(Senior Consultant to the Carlyle Group for many years and a well connected member of Reagan, Bush and Jr's administrations) both Bush administrations brought us into a War in an area that is crucial to the energy industry..also heavily invested in by Carlyle.

It's easy to take each piece and try to disregard it. It's also easy to keep a privately traded company's clients a secret.

If Carlyle had none of those connections..and a longer history of investment, there would still be room for doubt, but not as much.

A lot of companies invest wisely. I mean, let's face it..War and Energy are good industries to be in these days.

But the political connections, seem just too coincidental to be coincidence.

Would a President keep a war going for a few years..to be a multi billionaire? I dunno, what do you think?

I mean we are talking about a politician after all who said, "Some people call you the elite. I call you my base."

What might his goals be? What might his motivations be?

I'm also curious about the connection between the creation of the Office of Homeland Security, National Identification Cards and Carlyle's investment in biometrics and security technologies industries.
(Biometrics are technologies that measure identifiable physical traits like fingerprints, retinal artery patterns and facial symmetry.)

Government contracts and Carlyle holdings seem to coincide with each other an awful lot. That's interesting. I will be investigating how many of these companies HAD government contracts before their acquisition by Carlyle and how many obtained those contracts AFTER acquisition by Carlyle.

I want to see if Carlyle picked up "dead" defense companies after the defense industry crash, and then used its political connections to turn those "dogs" into winners.

To them, no doubt, a perfectly sensible way to find bargains and turn profits. I don;t know yet. I guess we'll see.

I intend to investigate this fairly thoroughly, so any information from either side of the question is appreciated.

Opinions will be disregarded in the order they are given until the facts are in please and we understand better what it is we're dealing with.

Thanks,

daf

posted February 05, 2008 03:37 PM              

Actelis Networks, Inc.
Fremont , CA U.S.

Acufocus, Inc.
Atlanta , GA U.S.

Adesso Systems, Inc.
Cambridge , MA U.S.

Anyday.com
Cambridge , MA U.S.

Appfluent Technology, Inc.
Arlington , VA U.S.

Archetype Solutions, Inc.
Emeryville , CA U.S.

AuthenTec, Inc.
Melbourne , FL U.S.

Blackboard, Inc.
Washington , DC U.S.

Bredbandsbolaget AB
Stockholm , Sweden

Canesta, Inc.
Santa Clara , CA U.S.

Cellutions, Inc.
Atlanta , GA U.S.

Comark Building Systems, Inc.
DeSoto , TX U.S.

Command Information, Inc.
Herndon , VA U.S.

Compusearch Software Systems
Dulles , VA U.S.

DHS Technologies, LLC
Orangeburg , NY U.S.

Endius, Inc.
Cambridge , MA U.S.

Equinix, Inc.
Mountain View , CA U.S.

Grant Street Group
Pittsburgh , PA U.S.

Health Central Network, Inc.
Washington , DC U.S.

Heritage Health Systems, Inc.
Houston , TX U.S.

Imagitas, Inc.
Waltham , MA U.S.

Indigo Systems, Inc.
Santa Barbara , CA U.S.

Ingenio
San Francisco , CA U.S.

Innovation Factory, The
Atlanta , GA U.S.

ISR Solutions, Inc.
Chantilly , VA U.S.

Liquid Engines, Inc.
Sunnyvale , CA U.S.

LVL7 Systems, Inc.
Morrisville , NC U.S.

Matrics, Inc.
Columbia , MD U.S.

Narrative Communications Corp.
Waltham , MA U.S.

NeoVista, Inc.
Fremont , CA U.S.

Neptune Communications, LLC
Fairfax , VA U.S.

Pacific Telecom Cable, Inc.
Vancouver , WA U.S.

Panasas, Inc.
Fremont , CA U.S.

Primary Health, Inc.
Boise , ID U.S.

Proteus Biomedical, Inc.
Redwood City , CA U.S.

Rainfinity, Inc.
San Jose , CA U.S.

Realeum, Inc.
Alexandria , VA U.S.

Secure Elements
Herndon , VA U.S.

Sight Resource Corporation
Cincinnati , OH U.S.

SMaL Camera Technologies, Inc.
Cambridge , MA U.S.

Sonitrol Holding Corp., LLC
Berwyn , PA U.S.

STARBAK Communications, Inc.
Waltham , MA U.S.

StrionAir, Inc.
Louisville , CO U.S.

Transport Pharmaceuticals, Inc.
Framingham , MA U.S.

TradeBeam Holdings, Inc.
San Mateo , CO U.S.

TrenStar, Inc.
Denver , CO U.S.

USBX, Inc.
Santa Monica , CA U.S.

Varsity Group, Inc.
Washington , DC U.S.

Verari Systems, Inc.
San Diego , CA U.S.

Viator, Inc.
San Francisco , CA U.S.

Wall Street Institute, Inc.
Luxembourg , Luxembourg

WCI Cable, Inc.
Hillsboro , OR U.S.

Taking a break. Had to cut and paste them one by one from the Carlyle site. There is one more page of them.

posted February 06, 2008 02:04 PM            

Just don't go overboard with the faulty premise that Carlyle was the cause of the war, the cause of the Homeland Security agency or the cause of anything at all.

This group of venture capitalists finds companies with poor management but with promising products or service sector needs either in development or ready for market. They add value to the company with improved management, marketing expertise, technical expertise, infusions of capital and system wide improvements.

posted February 10, 2008 06:46 PM              

You could have told these people that Enron executives were ripping off their employees and their response would have would have been to call you a liberal hater of America for doubting the mighty captains of American industry. Well, before Enron collapsed and defaulted on it's employees pensions that is. Fortunately for them, no such discussion came up..or they'd be back pedaling now and eating 6 kinds of crow.

After this many decades listening to and observing these scheisters, I'm getting tired of it.

They must not be listening to themselves, or they'd be tired of it too. Hey, but watch these so-called "level headed" types turn into Chicken Little themselves when it involves their money.

I've seen some whine about the Federal Reserve for years. It'd be funny if it wasn't so sad.

These folks defend their inconsistencies by grinning a lot and calling names. Apparently it beats revising their opinions to reflect reality or simply letting others entertain their ideas in peace.

So for those people, hear this:

American corporate executives are good at what they do because they are greedy. Get over it. We accept that they are greedy and crooked..why not try entertaining that notion for a change? It might make your life easier.

It might explain why more and more people are disagreeing with you these days.

The fact that most think there is no PROOF of a connection, means nothing. The facts will always determine where people made decisions in favor of their greed over human decency. I am positive this is one of those cases.

The Carlyle Group has more connections on the inside of the DoD than most 4 Star Generals.

This is a fact that can be gleaned VERY simply by looking at their list of advisers.

Every single one of them still has clearance at the Pentagon, is still involved with policy decisions there..and did or have worked in a consultative capacity since the war started.

But look deeper. You'll find that the companies on the list of Carlyle defense industry suppliers is like a veritable Who's Who of "Enduring Freedom" and "Desert Storm" suppliers. All coincidence, of course.

You can't hire current and former politicians as advisers AND go after government contracts. It's a distinct and very CLEAR conflict of interest.

They're hiring political influence is what they're hiring. We don't have a bunch of stupid people here at Lindaland, so I'm surprised that we're actually going through the motions of this bad Ernest movie here.

Of course it's possible that the Carlyle Group uses it's inside connections to benefit it's business. In fact, it's likely. That's how we DO things here in America.

What sort of brain damage would it take for someone to argue the impossibility of that probability?

And of course it's not only POSSIBLE but extremely likely that if George Bush Sr. is heavily invested in the Carlyle Group, that he might be tempted to..make himself a bazillionaire while he had the power (only four short years.) Absolutely it's not outside the realm of possibilities or probabilities.

In fact, if we were the cops, and the Carlyle Group were us...we'd be grilling them down at the station right now. That's a fact. We're harder on our individuals than we are on our corporations.

There is a VERY strong motive, VERY strong OPPORTUNITY, VERY strong cirumstantial evidence..and basically, it looks very much like the Carlyle Group is skirting the edges of legality in order to make a buck. I don't see how they could avoid it. Too much money, too much opportunity.

And if anyone even PRETENDS to be an "informed" American and ALSO be THAT naive about how capitalism works in this country..by all means..Disneyland has no toilets either.

We'll find the smoking gun if it's there. And we won't resort to cheap propagandist crap.

Data..that's all that matter to folks that don't care about much. Just data. If that's what they need...that's what we'll look for.

And we don't need to shoot drama queen grins at people and insult them to get it done.

Research will do the trick. So that's what we'll do.

posted February 10, 2008 07:54 PM              

Venus, I'll check out that connection. Of more interest might be the timeline of the company, it's board of advisers, and the people involved with bringing about both conflicts.

posted February 12, 2008 09:59 AM              

A quick read of what you said, shows that there was no substance there. A slower read, demonstrates the same thing. What are you doing man? And what's bugging you inside?

You can't be ok. I don't know anyone who is "Ok" that needs to demean and ridicule people as much as you have been lately.

I've been avoiding responding to you directly. But let's clear something up:

This tactic you're using is 100% politics having nothing to do with logic or the proper procedures of discussion.

And I'm not exactly sure what the purpose is, because you aren't really engaging me.

You're walking around looking for ways to display your intellect and wit for people.
(Likely because we've made the mistake of complimenting you on those two aspects of your personality on more than one occasion. I know I'm guilty of that.)

I was upset at first, because it feels very much like schoolyard harassment. And so I wrote a very long, frustrated letter, dissecting your actions.

But then, I started to think about it. I read your words again, and saw how empty they were.

I realized, this may be all you have now from day to day. I don't know..could be.

These people, this forum..your ability to be a big guy here, lead people with your opinions..champion those opinions..fight those who disagree. Do you have other forums where you are a "big guy"? I'm going to guess, yes.

I have no way of knowing what your motivations are. Perhaps this virtual place is what you define yourself by now, and I can't imagine how lonely it must be for you if that is true. I don't want to..it would hurt too much.

Then again, you may lead a very full life, overloaded with social context, but have some traumatic memories that cause you to act this way. I don't know. I'm not you, and only you can find out.

So, best of luck to you, JW. I'm sorry for the hurtful words I wrote then edited out.

It's frustrating watching you suffer so; having to share in the familiar spectacle of another of us craving admiration or flailing through the patterns of some past hurt.

That's why I responded, because it's getting embarrassing to watch. Some of us remember a gentler, albeit just as witty JW..and he seemed wiser somehow.

But I guess that's what we're all here for. To share in each other's experiences and conscious evolutions.

Not sure I like the change so far, but..we're here for you, regardless.

Best wishes,

daf

P.S. I'll still want to continue with this research. It's all data and connection driven and the initial indicators are that Carlyle Group Holding = Government Contract Guarantee. Seems that way anyhow.

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You can't hire current and former politicians as advisers AND go after government contracts. It's a distinct and very CLEAR conflict of interest.

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posted February 13, 2008 05:34 AM              

Operation Wheel Jam.

u jam the wheels of the economy of a country to overthrow the government

identical was the case with the fall of government in Chile that was widely rumored to be orchestrated by the CIA, so much so it made its way to media.the name of the operation used to overthrow the Chilean government ?

Operation Wheeljam

its no secret the Pakistani army had frequent visits from US military and CIA intelligence in the 50 's as a part of Cold War tactics.the above was necessary because of Pakistans proximity to Soviets and our " Rumored " closeness with them.since it was assumed the Indian administration was aided in its developmental work as a young country by the Soviets, it was only logical for the US to have an outpost like Pakistan so close to the action.sadly the US diplomats overestimated Pakistans fairness. Arms intelligence provided to combat a potential Soviet threat were used against Indian civilians in a war that was in complete betrayal of a UN peace treaty, which had been additionally manouvered by US and UK.
In addition the nuclear intelligence provided to help Pakistan against Soviets was being used to add to their arsenal with no potential use except on India.THAT is when Bhuttos father ceased to be a favourite with the UN and USA. it was a case of creating a monster who threatened to eat u up. Zulfiakr Bhutto actually walked out of a UN conference that was held exclusively to settle the tensions between India and Pak , because it didnt work the way he wanted. Which was to usurp Kashmir that was a state chosen to be a part of our country on Public Mandate of Kashmiri citizens. and 50 years later Pak still sends terrorists to Kashmir as a part of a covert Agenda. what with having lost 3 wars to get Kashmir, in addtion to slaps from the international community the army dictatorship is playing their game of covert politics for the last 20 years.Benazirs presidency itself was only an official sham from military rule to democracy.SHE was the one president in the history of democracy to have actually given the go ahead to terrorist insurgency into Kashmir.her Democratic Messiah image was nothing but a media sham.then again, its not like she had a choice. as soon as she distanced herself from fundamentalist Islam and terrorism she was a target. and an easy one at that. she wasnt even provided minimal security by President Mush. An army general who is nothing but a dicatator for all practical purposes does whatever he wants, suspends the constitution, the judiciary, delays democracy by avoiding elections, and then surprise Benazir is assassinated. what a surprise.
who gains from her assaination ?

the fundamentalist terrorist groups who have Pak as their operation base.even the CIA knows that. India sent a delegation of our intelligence with EVIDENCE of terrorist hideouts in Pak as well as proof implicating the Pak military and Musharraf in the game.

what happens?
nothing ?
Pakistan army gets dloes running to billions so they can run a dictatorship known to commit human right violations.

why ?

posted February 13, 2008 02:27 PM            

Henny Penny was a contemporary of Chicken Little, Goosey Loosey and Ducky Lucky...and they all worked themselves into a hysterical fit when Chicken Little began cackling that the "sky is falling".

Daf, I believe the connection with your black mood tripe and the hysterical rumor started by Chicken Little that the "sky is falling" is both substantive and relevant to your view that everything is falling apart around you.