posted February 25, 2008 02:08 PM            

Full disclosure demands the footnote that at least one of those haters of Pakistan is from Pakistan's enemy, India.

Perhaps O'Bomb-ma would consider bombing India too. You do have some radical terrorists running around in some areas of India...that you don't seem able to control...or don't want to control.

Musharraf has survived at least 3 and perhaps 4 assassination attempts on his life by the Taliban and al-Qaeda; principally because he is a friend and ally of the United States.

But O'Bomb-ma would bomb friends and allies...and talk to our enemies.

Instructive too is the fact there doesn't seem to be any disagreement with O'Bomb-ma's bombing statement....here amongst those of the "love and light" brigade.

I for one am soooo glad, given most of your total nonsense statements here acoustic...that you decided to not make a career in the US military.

Yeah Bear, ain't it the truth? IMPOTENT, but then, perhaps they just don't have the right stuff...or should I say, the right equipment.

Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Pakistan
Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Pakistan

O'Bomb-ma can, bomb Pakistan
He'll have them rockin and a rollin
Rockin and a reeling, cause he can

O'Bomb-ma can, bomb Pakistan!

posted February 25, 2008 02:22 PM            

And that man is no other than Obama.

Obama Obama Obama

posted February 25, 2008 02:22 PM            

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Instructive too is the fact there doesn't seem to be any disagreement with O'Bomb-ma's bombing statement....here amongst those of the "love and light" brigade.

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posted February 25, 2008 02:39 PM            

Hell acoustic, that left hand threaded head could fly off if you shake it too hard.

posted February 26, 2008 01:04 AM              

So Richard Cohen has written an op-ed piece where he essentially calls Obama an angry black anti-Semite, except he does it like any proper concern troll would:

I don't for a moment think that Obama shares Wright's views on Farrakhan. But the rap on Obama is that he is a fog of a man. We know little about him, and, for all my admiration of him, I wonder about his mettle. The New York Times recently reported on Obama's penchant while serving in the Illinois legislature for merely voting "present" when faced with some tough issues. Farrakhan, in a strictly political sense, may be a tough issue for him. This time, though, "present" will not do.

Fair enough. One would hope that Obama would be pretty forthright in speaking out, although I suspect that (up to now) it is a matter that would be pretty far down on his "to do" list. After all, it wasn't Obama who lauded Farrakhan, it was Obama's preacher. Or more specifically, Obama's preacher's magazine. Or more specifically, Obama's preacher's magazine which is run by Obama's preacher's daughters. And it wasn't last week or last year or even last decade. It was in 1982.

Got that?

So, to recap: Obama's preacher's daughter's magazine gave Farrakhan an award over 25 years ago last year and now Obama must explain whether or not he agrees with that award. Or, I presume, else.

Or, I presume, it will mean he is an angry black anti-Semite.

Fair enough. I'd be mildly interested in hearing Obama's take on that. After all, if he can't answer to the likes of Richard Cohen now, how's he going to fight Rudy Giuliani or John McCain or Mitt Romney or Mike Huckabee when they play the race card this summer and fall? Because, make no mistake: they will, because that's what they do.

This is how the race card gets played: Obama is black. He represents an unknown quantity. Furthermore, Obama speaks about "change." Change is unsettling even when the candidate is a WASP. "Heavens! We can only imagine what it means when a black man says it." Unsettlement leads to fear. Fear leads to other emotions such as dislike and even hatred.

Bottom line: Negative emotions like these are what cause people to vote against a candidate.

So let's not kid ourselves as to what Cohen's piece is about. It isn't about Farrakhan or Rev. Wright. It's about fanning the flames of fear, uncertainty and doubt about a strong Democratic candidate for president who represents the kind of change that Cohen (and his readers) do not want.

And now a word about Cohen. This piece sheds more light on the kind of person Cohen is than the kind of person Obama is. Obama can never say that, of course, so I will. Cohen has seen fit to turn the valve on a tanker truck full of poison gas and let escape a toxic cloud into the political atmosphere. Ask yourself: what kind of person does that?

In a strange way, Cohen's diatribe has more in common with Farrakhan's modus operandi than anything you could possibly imagine coming from Barack Obama.

So, according to Cohen, Obama is an angry black anti-Semite until he proves otherwise. Now you can decry that kind of gamesmanship, but (as the Lake Superior State University English department would NOT like you to say) "it is what it is."

It's up to the rest of us to shine a light on the likes of Richard Cohen and expose what he's trying to do.

P.S. All those "present" votes that Cohen decries? Here's the real story:

The votes were actually part of a strategy developed by Planned Parenthood to stop Republican attacks on pro-choice candidates. “We had a very astute and devious Republican leader that we knew was using abortion votes as wedge issues, putting those votes into mailers to help defeat pro-choice Democrats,” Pam Sutherland, president and CEO of Illinois Planned Parenthood, told reporters on the call. “It was our strategy, Planned Parenthood’s, to decide that a “present” vote was the same thing as a “no” vote.” Then-State Senator Obama “was always ready to vote “no” on these bills but he understood how it important it was to help his fellow colleagues,” Sutherland continued. Obama “was key to the strategy… not only did Democrats follow suit, so did many Republicans. The strategy actually worked… very few of those bills actually made it into law.”

I guess no good deed goes unpunished.

UPDATE: Obama has released this statement this afternoon:

I decry racism and anti-Semitism in every form and strongly condemn the anti-Semitic statements made by Minister Farrakhan. I assume that Trumpet Magazine made its own decision to honor Farrakhan based on his efforts to rehabilitate ex-offenders, but it is not a decision with which I agree.

posted February 26, 2008 01:04 AM              

BUT...

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You do have some radical terrorists running around in some areas of India...that you don't seem able to control...or don't want to control.

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are u really THAT Impotent?

to make a statement u have NO SOLID FACT to substantiate. i understand how demeaning it was to ur EGO when i hijacked ur thread and called ur BLUFF, but i didnt know YOU were IMPOTENT enough to suggest that the terrorists who are murdering innocents in my country are BEING GIVEN A FREE HAND.

is it THAT STRENOUS on ur brain to find some facts that prove the existence of Terrorist schools and organisations in India.

wait let me guess, u are BLUFFING again, hoping no one can see u r a Pathetic FRAUD.
what will it take to get the fact thru ur dense skull that deliberate miscommunication of FACTS is FRAUD.are u 10 ?

the FACT is Problem Child, we have terrorist attacks every 6 months, we DO NOT have Terrorists wanted by the CIA living in our forests.

WE are a Democracy unlike Pakistan which is a republic that was created as a Muslim homeland.and the FACT is your ALLY has caused YOU major embarassment in the 60's and 70 's . try googling on that.

it was Pakistan that has breached UN treaties and attacked us three times, the third time it actually misued US technology that provided for a possible soviet threat.

India has always provided for EQUAL constitutional rights
Pakistan on the other hand is a Muslim state where the testimony of a christian girl who gets raped is equal to that of 10 Muslim men in the court of law.

are u really IMPOTENT enough to KNOW all this and compare the terrorist attacks in India to the Islamic fundamental coalitions in Pakistan.

no wait.. wrong qurestion are u Homer Simpson ???

Stupid and Angry
Angry and Stupid

it does NOT fail my notice YOU are Diverting attention from the fact that ur thread has been demolished by making ASININE statements u cant possibly Back Up.

are YOU THAT IMPOTENT

Nice Try Limp D1CK ,
insulting the Victims who have died in terrorist attacks because OUR INDIAN government does NOT GIVE INTO their bullying to release the terrorists that our brave soldiers have died to capture.

but wait how does that matter to YOU , u just want to salvage the ITSY BITSY Credibility that u have on this forum now that everyone is in on your Disinformation Strategy.

am eagerly awaiting more comments from YOU that are Irrelevant to the point of being Asinine, and Baseless to the point of YOU looking like the Viagra Posterchild that you are.

keep up the good work....
remember not to post anything that can prove u have a brain and certainly not something that can give you away as Human.

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Attn.all

posted February 26, 2008 01:51 PM            

You certainly were as to the plight of the "untouchables" and the other lower caste citizens of India who are and have been tragically mistreated by Indian Society.

Consider my statements backed up...as usual, with facts.

I suppose any day now we're going to have to consider your opinions void for ignorance.

Terrorism in India

On one hand, the Hindu minority has been persecuted in many countries in the world, and on the other hand, the Hindu majority has been targeted by terrorism in India, which is over 82% Hindu.

In this section, we catalog the acts of terrorism where Hindus have been specifically targeted.

Named for Sage Kashyap, Kashmir occupies a special place in the hearts of Hindus. However, for over a decade now, the Muslim fundamentalist have engaged in inhuman terrorism that has seen brutal killings, rapes and massacres of hundreds of Hindus. Over 350,000 Hindus have been driven away from their ancestral homes. What is the truth behind this genocide of Hindus? Here we present some articles that shed light on one of the most pressing issues facing the Hindu community today. .................(there's more)
http://www.hindunet.org/india_terrorism/index.htm

There'll be bombers over
the White Cliffs of Dover
B-2 Bombers from the USA

From the White Cliffs of Dover to
the Champs-Elysees
craters will sprout like rain

When Barak O'Bomber gets his way
When Barak O'Bomber gets his way

Too bad Leaning Tower of Pizza
Look out Effel Tower

When Barak O'Bomber gets his way
When Barak O'Bomber gets his way

posted February 26, 2008 03:04 PM            

It's interesting to watch the war-monger charge the "socialist" pacifist with wanting to bomb everyone when he merely states he wants to finish going after Al Qaeda in Pakistan. Whatever happened to the desire to kill the terrorists?

posted February 27, 2008 12:04 AM            

Okay well lets be honest...a preacher is someone we look to for moral guidance. Thats the point of a preacher. To listen to him preach. Clearly if he considers Farrakhan a great man then there are other opinions that he shares that I would find less than pleasing...furthermore if Obama found this despicable he would have simply switched churches. Clearly he did not find this one situation bad enough...though I wonder how would the media react if any of the other candidates went to a church that praises the leader of the KKK for example or Ahmadinejad or whatever other anti-semites there might be around....of even better if it wasn't an anti-semite or some other form of racist.

I hate to tell you this but it really does not matter. That incident is enough to make me feel that he is a worse candidate than other people. Of course there are other reasons why I don't like Obama but that is in fact one of them....and im sticking by it...does it really matter why I choose not to vote for someone? Clearly not since I am still not going to do it...

Well lucky for us I love Rudy Giuliani and had he still been running id vote for him hands down...but hes not and hes supporting McCain....so is Lieberman who I also like....therefore....McCain it is....or Clinton...we shall see...

Why is it always about race? If people paid less attention to the fact that Obama is black and Clinton is a woman and more to what they are saying then perhaps there wouldn't be so many problems...

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Bottom line: Negative emotions like these are what cause people to vote against a candidate.

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Or perhaps it could be that the candidate is full of crap and ppl actually bothered to listen to what he says....whatever...

And btw I have never read Cohen's piece so I don't know what it is about. My info was from a number of newspapers.

posted February 27, 2008 05:26 AM            

Just basing an opinion on partial statements does not give you the entire picture. I think that is what is happening all the time here and everywhere else.

posted February 27, 2008 06:47 AM              

the terrorism in Kashmir , that has led to hindu exodus, is SOURCED in Pakistan, ur bum-buddy

when u post information try growing the balls to post the ENTIRE TRUTH.

Benazir Bhutto is the one who supported Islamic militant insurgency in from POK into Kashmir.
what do u expect hindus to do, stay put and let islamic militants to rip them

and BTW, the militants who claim to belong to assorted terrorist outfits have been discovered to be Pak army personnel. some of them are come from Palestine, Iraq, and other middle eastern countries, a product of Islamic Militant schools where hundreds upon thousands of kids are brainwashed.

and heres another bumer, Pakistan isd littered with such schools where children are brainwashed into hating the west to the point of raring to bomb americans .
given u have managed to come with disinformation about my country u should be potent enough to look that up.

i realise u are more Republican than American.
to each his own.
as they say, no can save a man who is intent on killing himself, not even christ himself can make him see the light.

Happy Self Delusion buddy
God Bless

posted February 27, 2008 08:59 AM            

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Zanya's post put the whole issue into context, and it would appear that you didn't even read it.

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And yet I replied to it...must be psychic...

Perhaps - but the entire picture is basically that politicians are all the same and want the same thing, and promise a lot to get it...im just cautious of people who promise too much.

Venusdeindia - I admire your passion in defending your country, but surely there are better ways than insulting another member in every sentence. It definitely will not make Jwhop agree with you any more, or even listen to what you are saying. You may have some very valid points that simply get lost in the name calling. If he doesn't post the truth, do it for him. We can all debate in a civil manner. It makes things more fun and cuts down on resentment and alliance building when people read clear cut facts as opposed to insults.

posted February 27, 2008 09:11 AM            

Is respectful same as being civil?

>>>>Benazir Bhutto is the one who supported Islamic militant insurgency in from POK into Kashmir.

She wanted more votes from her country perhaps. Even Obama is being accused of being timid in his foreign policy. If you look at history of US capitalism and US conservatism it puts it far right on that political map (That I was trying to put in one of Jwhop's other post.) and a little up on that map towards authoritarian because they are ready to kill people for States benefit(The people themselves may not be of their own states. Now whether that matters or not, you decide?). Perhaps the leftist especially Obama is not ready to be stereotyped as pushing America to the far left and thats why you see his agression there.

posted February 27, 2008 09:45 AM            

The issue with Obama and Anti-semitism is quite clear; He is NOT an anti-semite the same way how students and staff faculty of the university the Iranian president visited are not all Anti-semites. The decision for Farrakhan to be given the award for his contribution for helping troubled teens was not Obama's decision and he clearly presented his views on that. And he is allowed to disagree with any party's decision concerning the world as long as that statement is backed with legitimate concern and possible breech of international laws and the well-being of the citizens of the United States.

HOWEVER, what he can't do is speak on behalf of his constituents as a whole. What he should ay should reflect his view and not the view of his voters.

Lets actually talk some LEGITIMATE concerns here about the candidates without unwarrented mud-slinging shall we?

posted February 27, 2008 11:23 AM            

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And yet I replied to it...must be psychic...

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posted February 27, 2008 11:37 AM              

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Why is it always about race?

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yet the issue was about the "racist, anti-semitic Farrakhan." the issue to which Obama replied "I decry racism and anti-Semitism in every form..."

posted February 27, 2008 01:00 PM            

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Yes, you replied to it, but I still can't see where your post acknowledges what was said in her post.

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Could the acknowledgemnt be in the numerous times I directly responded to certain statements or maybe even in the quote that I posted....

Zanya - what does Farrakhan being a racist have to do with Obama's race being an issue when he runs for president? Those are two unrelated things... You said McCain will bring up Obama's race as an issue and my question is why should it be an issue at all? That has nothing to do with Farrakhan...

Xodian - I never said Obama is an anti semite...NOT once...I said that his pastor is and the fact that he goes to this man for moral guidance makes me nervous enough to not vote for him. Its all about politics. Did you watch the debates last night? His responses were very shady in my opinion. Now to each their own, but that is my opinion and I will in fact act on it.,

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he clearly presented his views on that

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And he is allowed to disagree with any party's decision concerning the world as long as that statement is backed with legitimate concern and possible breech of international laws and the well-being of the citizens of the United States.

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Oh come on...you are not in his head you cannot say that it is legitimate whatsoever. It might appear so but I am not buying it.

Yes it should reflect his views and upon those views people will choose to either vote for him or not and they are all too allowed to have their choices.

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Lets actually talk some LEGITIMATE concerns here about the candidates without unwarrented mud-slinging shall we?

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posted February 27, 2008 01:29 PM            

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Could the acknowledgemnt be in the numerous times I directly responded to certain statements or maybe even in the quote that I posted....

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posted February 27, 2008 01:40 PM              

the article i posted referencing the Cohen newspaper piece, which is what spawned all the talk about Obama's preacher in the first place, stated that about McCain (and Giuliani, Romney and Huckabee). the author was making a case for race not being an issue, actually.

citing Farrakhan as a racist, and Obama's preacher by implication, because of a newspaper that he did not found, nor did he contribute to (in this instance), makes the issue one about race, the issue around which the entire discussion revolves.

posted February 27, 2008 07:32 PM            

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no one is trying to sway your vote. part of the discussion however, does have to do with the integrity of the candidates, so of course people will be here discoursing upon these issues.

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Well that is totally fair. Maybe its my own misunderstanding partially because I have been having this discussion other places for a few days where people have been trying to sway my vote and being really obnoxious about it. Otherwise its perfectly fine to have a nice discussion on the integrity.

posted February 27, 2008 08:10 PM            

Al Qaeda's second-in-command Ayman al-Zawahri vowed revenge for the killing of a top group commander in a suspected U.S. attack in Pakistan, speaking in a video posted on the Internet on Wednesday.

"No chief of ours had died of a natural death, nor has our blood been spilled without a response," Zawahri said in the video posted on an Islamist Web site, referring to the killing of Abu Laith al-Libi.

Libi, considered as one of Osama bin Laden's top lieutenants in Afghanistan, was killed in a suspected U.S. missile strike that killed up to 13 foreign militants in Pakistan's North Waziristan border area in late January.

"If one of our chiefs passes, another arises in his place," Zawahri said, without making a specific threat.

Zawahri, wearing a black turban, spoke as he sat next to an assault rifle in front of shelves full of Islamic books.

"So seek help O Americans and agents of Americans ... from those seeking a way out ... They will be of no help to you," he said, referring to Muslim clerics who have criticized jihadist militants.

Al Qaeda condemns as sell-outs Muslim clerics, including renowned scholars, who have said its jihadist ideology is un-Islamic.

The video was produced by al Qaeda's media arm As-Sahab and carried English subtitles.

Libi's prominence in al Qaeda was highlighted last year by his appearance in a video with Zawahri. He was the first spokesman to announce bin Laden had survived the U.S.-led invasion of Afghanistan in late 2001.

U.S. media have said the Libyan-born militant was believed to be behind a suicide bombing in February 2007 that killed 23 people outside the main U.S. Bagram base in Afghanistan during a visit by U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney.

In October the U.S. military in Afghanistan named Libi among several "mid-level" al Qaeda and Taliban leaders and offered a $200,000 bounty for him, U.S. media reported.

Some Western anti-terrorism analysts said past killings of leading al Qaeda figures had shown there were usually others ready to fill the gap in the organization's ranks. But other said Libi's killing was a significant U.S. success.

(Editing by Charles Dick)

posted February 28, 2008 12:48 AM              

but i do know how you feel, in light of a related issue. reading about all the campaign contributions and support from white supremacists and stormfront.org to Ron Paul made my skin crawl. i would have liked to have seen a denouncement from him in the same vein as Obama's above. (perhaps he has since i last checked, don't know though.)