posted April 14, 2008 04:44 PM            

So, which Presidential candidates promise to leave Iraq..beginning within 60 days. And which party has attempted to throw the war and give terrorists a victory over the United States in Iraq?

And which candidates promise to talk to the terrorists and the terrorist nations who send them out in a proxy war against the United States and Israel?

Of course, the winner of the terrorist vote for American President would be either O'Bomber or Hillary.

posted April 15, 2008 10:22 AM            

This same Robert Malley, adviser to O'Bomber has written numerous opinion pieces extolling the virtues of engaging with Palestinian terrorists. Some of those propaganda pieces were co-authored by an adviser to Yasser Arafat...a stone terrorist.

Yeah, something else sure to warm American hearts is a piece appearing in O'Bomber's church newsletter comparing the Hamas Resistance declaration...the one exhorting the killing of Jews...to the US Declaration of Independence. Gee, I don't remember anything in our Declaration of Independence calling for the murder of English citizens, or the murder of British government officials or the King of England. Must have missed that part.

Obama church published
Hamas terror manifesto
Compares charter calling for murder
of Jews to Declaration of Independence
Posted: March 20, 2008
12:45 pm Eastern
By Aaron Klein

JERUSALEM – Sen. Barack Obama's Chicago church reprinted a manifesto by Hamas that defended terrorism as legitimate resistance, refused to recognize the right of Israel to exist and compared the terror group's official charter – which calls for the murder of Jews – to America's Declaration of Independence.

The Hamas piece was published on the "Pastor's Page" of the Trinity United Church of Christ newsletter reserved for Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., whose anti-American, anti-Israel remarks landed Obama in hot water, prompting the presidential candidate to deliver a major race speech earlier this week.

Hamas, responsible for scores of shootings, suicide bombings and rocket launchings against civilian population centers, is listed as a terrorist group by the U.S. State Department.

The revelation follows a recent WND article quoting Israeli security officials who expressed "concern" about Robert Malley, an adviser to Obama who has advocated negotiations with Hamas and providing international assistance to the terrorist group.

In his July 22, 2007, church newsletter, Wright reprinted an article by Mousa Abu Marzook, identified in the publication as a "deputy of the political bureau of Hamas." A photo image of the piece was captured and posted today by the business blog BizzyBlog, which first brought attention to it. The Hamas article was first published by the Los Angeles Times, garnering the newspaper much criticism.

According to senior Israeli security officials, Marzook, who resides in Syria alongside Hamas chieftain Khaled Meshaal, is considered the "brains" behind Hamas, designing much of the terror group's policies and ideology. Israel possesses what it says is a large volume of specific evidence that Marzook has been directly involved in calling for or planning scores of Hamas terrorist offensives, including deadly suicide bombings. He was also accused of attempting to set up a Hamas network in the U.S.

Marzook's original piece was titled, "Hamas' stand" but was re-titled "A Fresh View of the Palestinian Struggle" by Obama's church newsletter. The newsletter also referred to Hamas as the "Islamic Resistance Movement," and added in its introduction that Marzook was addressing Hamas' goals for "all of Palestine."

In the manifesto, Marzook refers to Hamas' "resistance" – the group's perpetuation of anti-Israel terrorism targeting civilians – as "legal resistance," which, he argues, is "explicitly supported by the Fourth Geneva Convention."

The Convention, which refers to the rights of people living under occupation, does not support suicide bombings or rocket attacks against civilian population centers, the Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America noted.

Marzook refers to Hamas' official charter as "an essentially revolutionary document" and compares the violent creed to the Declaration of Independence, which, Marzook states, "simply did not countenance any such status for the 700,000 African slaves at that time."

Hamas' charter calls for the murder of Jews. Among its platforms is a statement that the "[resurrection] will not take place until the Muslims fight the Jews and the Muslims kill them, and the rock and the tree will say: 'Oh Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, kill him!'"

In his piece, Marzook says Hamas only targets Israel and denies that Hamas' war is meant to be waged against the U.S., even though Hamas officials have threatened America, and Hamas' charter calls for Muslims to "pursue the cause of the Movement (Hamas), all over the globe."

Trinity Church did not respond to a phone message requesting comment.

Obama's campaign also did not reply to phone and e-mail requests today for comment.

Obama aide wants talks with terrorists

WND reported in January that Malley, an Obama foreign policy adviser, has penned numerous opinion articles, many of them co-written with a former adviser to the late Palestinian Authority President Yasser Arafat, petitioning for dialogue with Hamas and blasting Israel for policies he says harm the Palestinian cause.

Malley also previously penned a well-circulated New York Review of Books piece largely blaming Israel for the collapse of the Israeli-Palestinian negotiations at Camp David in 2000 when Arafat turned down a Palestinian state in the West Bank, Gaza and eastern sections of Jerusalem and instead returned to the Middle East to launch an intifada, or terrorist campaign, against the Jewish state.***

Malley's contentions have been strongly refuted by key participants at Camp David, including President Clinton, then-Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak and primary U.S. envoy to the Middle East Dennis Ross, all of whom squarely blamed Arafat's refusal to make peace for the talks' failure.***Notice, Jimmy The Teeth Carter is not one of those refuting Malley's contentions. Carter has become a mouthpiece and propagandist for terrorists over the years. In fact this bungling boob is visiting Hamas officials today. Hamas, on the US list of terrorist organizations. Go figure.

In February 2006, after Hamas won a majority of seats in the Palestinian parliament and amid a U.S. and Israeli attempt to isolate the Hamas-run Palestinian Authority, Malley wrote an op-ed for the Baltimore Sun advocating international aid to the terror group's newly formed government.

"The Islamists (Hamas) ran on a campaign of effective government and promised to improve Palestinians' lives; they cannot do that if the international community turns its back," wrote Malley in a piece entitled, "Making the Best of Hamas' Victory."

Malley contended the election of Hamas expressed Palestinian "anger at years of humiliation and loss of self-respect because of Israeli settlement expansion, Arafat's imprisonment, Israel's incursions, Western lecturing and, most recently and tellingly, the threat of an aid cutoff in the event of an Islamist success."

Malley said the U.S. should not "discourage third-party unofficial contacts with [Hamas] in an attempt to moderate it."

In an op-ed in the Washington Post in January coauthored by Arafat adviser Hussein Agha, Malley – using what could be perceived as anti-Israel language – urged Israel's negotiating partner, Abbas, to reunite with Hamas.

"A renewed national compact and the return of Hamas to the political fold would upset Israel's strategy of perpetuating Palestinian geographic and political division," wrote Malley.

He further petitioned Israel to hold talks with Hamas.

"An arrangement between Israel and Hamas could advance both sides' interests," Malley wrote.

posted April 15, 2008 10:42 AM            

That must warm the heart of Robert Malley, Foreign Policy Adviser to O'Bomber. Malley has labored long and hard as a propagandist for Hamas. Nice to see all that hard work pay off with a Hamas endorsement of O'Bomber.

Hamas has joined the O'Bomber campaign "For Hope".

ELECTION 2008
Hamas terrorists make 2008 U.S. presidential pick
Cite need for change, excuse opposition to Carter meeting
Posted: April 14, 2008
10:09 pm Eastern
By Aaron Klein

JERUSALEM – On the eve of a planned meeting with former President Jimmy Carter, the isolated Hamas terrorist organization has expressed "hope" Sen. Barack Obama will win the presidential elections and "change" America's foreign policy.

"We like Mr. Obama, and we hope that he will win the elections," Ahmed Yousuf, Hamas' top political adviser in the Gaza Strip, said in an exclusive interview with WND and with the John Batchelor Show on WABC Radio in New York.

"I hope Mr. Obama and the Democrats will change the political discourse. ... I do believe [Obama] is like John Kennedy, a great man with a great principal. And he has a vision to change America to make it in a position to lead the world community, but not with humiliation and arrogance," Yousuf said, speaking from Gaza.

Yousuf, the Hamas figure usually responsible for coordinating meetings with foreign officials, told WND earlier that Carter's planned meeting this week with Hamas would help the terror organization "engage with the world community."***Read that "help" as an influx of money from abroad to fund their terrorist attacks against Israel.

"Carter can achieve something no one else can. He is open-minded and has a very noble cause to come and meet with all people," said Yousuf.

Together with presidential candidates John McCain and Hillary Clinton, Obama called Hamas a "terrorist organization" that should remain isolated until it renounces violence and recognizes Israel. Obama told reporters he opposed Carter's meeting with Hamas.

But Yousuf chalked up Obama's statements to political posturing.

"I understand American politics and this is the season for elections and everybody tries to sound like he's a friend of the Israelis ... so whatever [the] Israelis didn't like they will take from all those candidates," he said.

Yousuf said that in Hamas' view, Obama has "a vision to change America to make it in a position to lead the world community but not with humiliation and arrogance."

The U.S. and Israel have been trying to isolate Hamas, which is classified by the State Department as a terror group. It is responsible for scores of deadly suicide bombings, and thousands of shooting attacks and rocket firings against Israeli civilian population centers.......
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=61631

posted April 15, 2008 11:22 AM            

One wonders if there's any intelligent life on the left. If it exists, they're keeping it well hidden from view.

Hamas MP sees Islamic conquest 'very soon'
Lawmaker for group meeting Carter envisions takeover of Western civilization
Posted: April 14, 2008
2:00 pm Eastern

A member of the Palestinian parliament representing Hamas declared in a televised message that Islam "very soon" will conquer Rome, spread throughout Europe then take over the Americas.

Yunis Al-Astal, a Muslim cleric, said in the April 11 broadcast on Hamas' Al-Aqsa TV, "Very soon, Allah willing, Rome will be conquered, just like Constantinople was, as was prophesied by our prophet Muhammad."

A segment of the address was taped and translated by the Middle East Media Research Institute, or MEMRI.

MEMRI also reported Abbas Zaki, the Palestinian Authority's ambassador to Lebanon, declared on Lebanese television last week that Israel would be conquered.

"When Israel's ideology will collapse, and after we take Jerusalem, Israel's ideology will collapse altogether, and then we will proceed with our own ideology, inshallah [if Allah wills], and we will throw them out of all of Palestine," Zaki said.

The Hamas leader Al-Astal told Palestinians, "Allah has chosen you for himself and for his religion, so that you will serve as the engine pulling this nation to the phase of succession, security, and consolidation of power, and even to conquests thorough da'wa (propagation of Islam) and military conquests of the capitals of the entire world."

The Palestinian lawmaker called Rome the "capital of the Catholics," or "the Crusader capital, which has declared its hostility to Islam, and has planted the brothers of apes and pigs in Palestine in order to prevent the reawakening of Islam … ."

Many Muslim clerics, citing language in popular English renditions of Islam's holy book, the Quran, teach that the Jews descended from apes and pigs.

As WND reported, Hamas leaders, ahead of a controversial visit with Jimmy Carter, called the former U.S. president a "noble person" whose planned meeting with the terrorist organization would help it "engage with the world community."

Hamas is listed by the State Department as a terrorist group. It's responsible for scores of deadly suicide bombings, and thousands of shooting attacks and rocket firings against civilian population centers.

Al-Astal said Rome will one day "be an advanced post for the Islamic conquests, which will spread through Europe in its entirety, and then will turn to the two Americas, and even Eastern Europe."

"I believe that our children or our grandchildren will inherit our jihad (holy war) and our sacrifices, and Allah willing, the commanders of the conquest will come from among them," he said. "Today, we instill these good tidings in their souls, and by means of the mosques and the Quran books, and the history of our prophets, his companions, and the great leaders, we prepare them for the mission of saving humanity from the hellfire on the brink of which they stand."
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=61582

posted April 15, 2008 12:05 PM            

Here is the other side of the story:

Hamas May Give Peace A Chance

By: Scott Atran, New York Times Op Ed contributor
Saturday, December 18, 2004

NYT OPED Contributor - Scott Atran
Ramallah, West Bank
Saturday, December 18, 2004

TWO unlikely factors ­ the maneuverings of Hamas, a group the United States considers a chief sponsor of terrorism, and a widespread fear of chaos among Palestinians ­ are combining to create some hope in the runup to next month’s election to choose Yasir Arafat’s successor as head of the Palestinian Authority.

The best news is that Mahmoud Abbas, Mr. Arafat’s successor as leader of the Fatah faction, has emerged as the candidate favored not only by Israel and the United States, but also by the European Union and, most surprisingly, by Hamas. On Tuesday, Mr. Abbas (who is also known as Abu Mazen) called for an end to the four-year-old intifada, saying that the “the use of weapons is harmful and it should stop.”

Hamas leaders, who would be expected to fight against any such compromise, actually worked behind the scenes to undermine the candidacy of Mr. Abbas’s main rival, Marwan Barghouti, the jailed intifada leader who is a beacon to the younger generation of Fatah militants. He withdrew from the race on Sunday.

Although Mr. Barghouti is in spirit closer than Mr. Abbas to Hamas ­ especially when it comes to insisting on Arab control of Jerusalem and the “right of return” of Palestinian refugees ­ the group’s leaders decided that his candidacy was interfering with formation of a Palestinian political consensus and could have led to political anarchy.

The fact is, with the intifada bearing little fruit in terms of Israeli concessions, Hamas is now embroiled in infighting. Its West Bank leaders are leaning toward historic compromise, while its Gaza militants want to step up violence.

As Mr. Arafat lay dying in France, the principal leaders agreed to jettison their longstanding refusal to cooperate with any government or political process that was involved with 1993 Oslo peace accords. Most significant, the top Hamas leader on the West Bank, Sheik Hassan Yussef,declared that the group should consider an indefinite “hudna’’ ­ or pause in armed conflict ­ if Israel were to withdraw to its pre-1967 borders, approve a right of return for Palestinian refugees, release long-term prisoners and raze the wall being built in the West Bank.

While these conditions are of course unacceptable to Israel, the fact that a cease-fire was offered at all was remarkable. Mr. Yussef, who was released in November after more than two years in an Israeli prison, insisted that he was simply reiterating positions stated in the past by Sheik Ahmed Yassin , the Hamas founder who was assassinated by Israel in March. But this may be semantic sleight-of-hand: Mr. Yussef told me last week that “hudna” clearly meant that both sides in the lifelong conflict could live in safety and peace as long as it lasts, and that it could even be extended indefinitely. “We can dream about all Palestine being Muslim ­ like some Israelis dream of a Greater Israel that includes all our lands ­ but it is not practical,” he said.

Of course, Mr. Yussef faces opposition from within. Mahmoud Zahar, a senior Hamas official in Gaza, dismissed the overture, saying that there would be “no talk about a hudna now’’ and that his group’s “strategy is to liberate all of Palestine.” Soon enough, Hamas bombs killed five Israeli soldiers in Gaza; that was followed by Israeli Army raids that killed several Palestinians.

But the Gaza faction may be on the wrong side of history. A poll this month by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research showed Fatah gaining popular support in Gaza and the West Bank ­ its favorable rating increased to 40 percent from 30 percent in the last poll, in September ­ while Hamas’s favorable rating fell to 20 percent from about 30 percent. A survey by the Jerusalem Media and Communication Center found that for the first time since the outbreak of the current intifada in 2000, a majority of Palestinians rejected military operations and expressed optimism in the future.

Mr. Yussef seems to represent a chance that Hamas may enter the political mainstream. “We must take responsibility, along with Abu Mazen and the Palestinian Authority, in taking care of our people,” he told me. “And that means we must also negotiate with the Israelis.” Israeli and Palestinian intelligence sources have informed me that this sentiment has received strong backing from Hamas prisoners in Israel, as well as from Khalid Meshal, an influential Hamas leader who lives in Damascus.

Isaac Ben Israel, an Israeli Air Force general and leading military strategist, told me that he thinks Mr. Yussef may be signaling a sincere shift in Hamas that Israel could live with. Of course, he stressed that Hamas first had to be severely weakened by the targeted assassinations of its leaders, which has helped bring suicide bombings down to pre-intifada levels. “Paradoxical as it sounds,’’ he said, “attacking Hamas has helped the moderate Palestinian forces.’’

In the end, it seems clear that Hamas is worn out and so perhaps ready to stop fighting ­ just like most Palestinians. According to Palestinian Authority figures, 63 percent of households saw their income cut at least in half during the intifada, and 58 percent now live in poverty.

In addition, the human cost of war comes to bear even on militants. I spoke with Mr. Yussef about interviews I did with the parents of suicide bombers, all of whom said they would have done anything to stop their children if they had known of their plans. “Suffering and humiliation make it understandable, even animals defend themselves to the death,” he told me. “But God created people to live, not to die. We have to find an exit. We need a dialogue of civilizations, not a clash of civilizations.” And he emphasized his belief that Hamas can bring along other Islamic groups “to create a stable international order.”

posted April 15, 2008 12:50 PM            

Hamas is a terrorist organization which should not be negotiated with under any circumstances. Neither should a "temporary peace" be so much as discussed with Hamas. Why and under what circumstances should Israel permit Hamas to build up it's military capability for the purpose of attacking Israel at a later date?

Worse, the population elected these terrorists to represent them and fails to restrain them.

Abass was second in command under Arafat. Both are stone terrorists and if I were Israel, I would refuse to negotiate with Abass...just as Israel had to learn Arafats word wasn't worth spit.

You say there are factions, splits and differences of opinion within Hamas.
You say the so called political wing of Hamas is more moderate. Is that right Xodian, more moderate?? Then please explain how the avowed policy of the political wing of Hamas who wrote the policy was and remains today the goal of killing the citizens of Israel, driving them into the sea and destroying Israel as a nation?

I'm not buying it. There is no apparent difference between the military wing and the political wing of Hamas, one and the same thing, same mindset, same policy.

As for the right of return issue, no sale.
Within hours of Israel declaring itself as a nation, Israel was attacked by armies of the surrounding countries. Palistanians living in the area were warned to leave until after the Jews were killed. Then they could return and take the properties, homes, farms and possessions of the dead Jews. No problem, so they left fully expecting to return and steal the possessions, property of the dead Jews. It didn't quite work out that way though did it Xodian?

One last thing Xodian. The Israelis have been a hell of a lot more patient than I would have been. There would have long ago been peace between Israel and Palistanians or there would be no so called Palistanians living in the entire area. there's been way too much talk.

posted April 15, 2008 01:09 PM            

Hamas won't be able to build its military up with such tight boarder controls on both sides. Abbass a terrorist? Comeon Jwhop... He has made more moderate plans for peace talks that any other leader in the region. He is worth talking to and you know it; more so then some the the nuts at both the Fatah and the Israeli baath party.

As I said before, the moderate wing of Hamas does not believes in harsh militant actions and seperates itself from the militants who still hold on the extremist facto of the party.

Now why the hell would you think they would return to take property when all they want to do is to return to the region for their own belongings? Is that how you see Palestenians Jwhop? Then I have to say, that is quite an extremist stance and an insult. They lost loved ones in conflicts with the those blood ridden streets and all you can think of is that they might return as grave robbers? You really can't be serious...

posted April 15, 2008 01:53 PM            

The plan was that the invading armies would destroy the Jews and crush the new state of Israel. Then, then, then Xodian, the Palestinians who had left would come back to take over the Jewish holdings...you know Xodian, homes, farms cars..all.

They never comtemplated coming back to pick up their belongings. They comtemplated coming back to possess everything the Jews had owned...since the Jews would all be dead..and wouldn't need them anymore. Such a deal.

Abbas refused to dismantle the terrorist infrastructure of the Palestinian Authority and brought the "Road Map" peace process to a halt.

I don't care that the press has rehabilitated Abbas for it's readers and I don't care that the US sees Abbas as a moderate. Moderate is a relative term and I would say Moderate? Relative to whom.

You've got your time frames all mixed up Xodian.

posted April 15, 2008 02:07 PM            

You think that every Palestinian WOULD have followed through with complete occupation but that is just speculation on your part. For the most part, the Palestinans just wanted to return to THEIR homes once again and the occupation of the territories was the plan of the extremist party wings; NOT the entire Palestinian population.

He actually halted the peace plan after an incursion in the region from BOTH sides; Something on which I personally wrote upon as a faliure for both parties involved. He is Moderate relitive to much of the stand in teh region who is calling upon for total occupation of territories from both sides and yet no one realizes that its something that will NOT happen.

And to respond to your inquiry about the moderate political wing:

Taken from BBC news:

quote:

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After the 1996 clampdown, more moderate Hamas policymakers questioned whether the suicide attacks were worth the cost of repression.

But others argued the military wing was necessary to protect the organisation against such repression.

As a result, the movement's leaders have tried, with little success, to get their followers to agree on a policy calling for military reprisals to what they would perceive as Israeli aggression but accepting coexistence with the PA.

The movement has long maintained that in the interests of Palestinian unity, it would not be drawn into a civil war with the PA.

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posted April 15, 2008 04:11 PM            

One more time Xodian.

The plan was that when Israel declared itself a nation, the surrounding Arab nations would crush Israel and kill the Jews. The Arabs living in the area...whatever they were calling themselves at the time were told to leave, to get out of the way of the Arab combined armies and they did. THE PLAN was for these Arabs to return when Israel was crushed and the Jews were killed and for the Arabs living in the area to take possession of Jewish properties, homes, farms all. This in 1948 Xodian.

According to Hamas, just the fact of the existence of Israel and Jews living in Israel is Israeli aggression.

"Hamas was created in 1987 by Sheikh Ahmed Yassin of the Gaza wing of the Muslim Brotherhood at the beginning of the First Intifada. Best known for multiple suicide bombings and other attacks[4] directed against civilians and Israeli military and security forces targets, Hamas' charter calls for the destruction of the State of Israel and its replacement with a Palestinian Islamic state in the area that is now Israel, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip"

"After coming to power, Some of Hamas leaders have announced Hamas was giving up suicide attacks and "offered a 10-year truce [with Israel] in return for a complete Israeli withdrawal from the occupied Palestinian territories: the West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem."[23][24][25] Hamas also declared a unilateral ceasefire with Israel which, after Israeli air strikes in response to Hamas smuggling weapons into Gaza, was formally renounced.[26] On March 2008 the Hamas Gaza leadership called on Arab summit to drop peace plan[1]"

"On January 26, 2004, senior Hamas official Abdel Aziz al-Rantissi offered a 10-year truce, or hudna, in return for a complete withdrawal by Israel from the territories captured in the Six Day War, and the establishment of a Palestinian state (it remade the same offer after winning the majority in the PLC, accepting the 2002 Arab Peace Initiative[31]). Hamas leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin stated that the group could accept a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Rantissi confirmed that Hamas had come to the conclusion that it was "difficult to liberate all our land at this stage, so we accept a phased liberation." He said the truce could last 10 years, though "not more than 10 years"."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

Now Xodian, I hope this is clear to you. Hamas has never deviated from it's Charter to destroy the nation of Israel. Negotiating with terrorists is futile.

posted April 16, 2008 10:20 AM            

quote:

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Hamas Feels Pressure to Moderate Stance

By Sonja Pace
Ramallah
02 February 2006

Hamas leaders are sending mixed signals - part moderation, part defiance - as they prepare to form a new Palestinian government in the weeks ahead. The militant Islamic group is well aware of increasing international pressure to moderate its stance.

There is no doubt Hamas can draw a crowd, mostly young men carrying Kalashnikovs in one hand and waving the green banner of Hamas in the other. Thousands of its supporters took to the streets after last month's elections, reveling in their victory.

Hamas won 74 of the 132 seats in the legislature, toppling the ruling Fatah party, which dominated Palestinian politics for more than four decades.

Farhat Asaad was Hamas' campaign manager.

"We expected a majority or near-majority, but we did not expect a big majority as what happened," he said. "I think the reason our population voted to [for] Hamas, because they have to change the leadership because it failed."

Founded in the late 1980s during the first Palestinian intifada, or uprising, Hamas staked out a position based on strident militancy in the fight against Israel and on grassroots support for the Palestinian public, especially the poor.

Hamas refused to recognize Israel's right to exist and opposed the Oslo peace accords signed by Yasser Arafat in 1993. To this day the Hamas charter calls for Israel's destruction, and Hamas leaders like Mahmoud Zahar still talk about Israel as a foreign entity in this region.

Speaking on Arab television after the election, Zahar said it was not Hamas that came from outside to take Jewish land. He blamed the West for planting, what he called this foreign and aggressive body in the heart of the Middle East.

Hamas' many deadly attacks against Israelis during the second intifada, which began more than five years ago put its leaders high on Israel's target list. In 2004 Israel assassinated Hamas spiritual leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin and then his successor, Abdelaziz Rantisi.

Afterwards, other Hamas leaders inside the Palestinian territories and in exile kept a low profile. The group has largely adhered to a cease-fire agreed to between the Palestinian Authority and Israel a year ago - and turned its attention to the ballot box.

Hamas candidates scored surprising victories in municipal elections in Gaza and the West Bank during the past year, before winning an outright parliamentary majority last month.

The Hamas victory presents a dilemma for Israel, the Europeans and the Americans - all of whom brand Hamas a terrorist organization and refuse to deal with the group unless it disarms, recognizes Israel's right to exist, and pursues peace.

Farhat Asaad expresses the feelings of many Palestinians and Arabs when he talks of what they see as the West's double standard in the region.

"The West demand us to recognize the [Israeli] occupation, but they never [demand] the Israeli [occupation] to recognize our rights," he said.

Responding to growing international pressure, Hamas leaders remain adamant they will not change their position, but they also hint at a more pragmatic approach.

In Gaza, Mahmoud Zahar, a hardliner, said Hamas could consider a longer truce with Israel, if the Jewish state reciprocated.

Gaza's more moderate Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh said there should be no fear of Hamas.

Haniyeh also called on donors not to cut off aid to the Palestinians. He promised such funds would be spent only on legitimate programs to help the people.

In Damascus, exiled Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal spoke of Israel as a reality and said the group would respect existing agreements as long as they are in the interests of the Palestinians.

Hamas leaders are on a public relations campaign to calm jittery nerves at home and abroad. They insist they want to form a government based on ability, not religion.

Farhat Asaad says Hamas wants to work with others as it prepares to govern, but he also has a warning for the West and the pressure it is exerting.

"The one who will come after us will be bin Laden," he added. "It is the choice of the West, not our choice."

Asaad says if the West causes Hamas to fail, a more radical leadership is likely to follow. But, he also remains optimistic that some sort of dialogue will be established and agreement reached. "It is in everyone's interest", he says.

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And the so called PLAN was only agreed upon the warring nations is NOT a factual agreed upon ideals that was slapped upon the refugees. They were not aware of the plan; They were just told to leave the area upon which they would return to their OWN homes after the fighting. You're just proclaming it as an agreed upon idea between the refugees and the warring nations which is totally not true.

posted April 16, 2008 11:03 AM            

While you're about admitting that Xodian, you might also admit that a 10 year truce on the part of Hamas is a red herring to permit Hamas to build up it's military capability for an attack later.

While you're thinking about all that Xodian, you might also cast around for any reason Israel would wish to set up a situation where their avowed enemy, Hamas could and would attack Israel again at the time of their choosing...when they are stronger militarily.

If Hamas and their apologists and appeasers aren't very careful Xodian they are going to start a real war with Israel. Hamas may think they've withstood war with Israel already. They haven't. Perhaps Hamas and Hamas apologists and appeasers could take a lesson from the various nations military war efforts against Israel...and what happened to them.

Hamas is Hamas, military and so called political wing have the very same mindset, the very same objectives; the destruction of Israel and the killing of the Jewish people.

Further Xodian, Hamas is fighting a proxy war on behalf of loony tune nutcases in Iran which trains, funds and equips Hamas.

***edit

posted April 16, 2008 11:13 AM            

The long term plan for most in that region is to see a set home for Palestinians and well, negotiating with Israel over it is the only to go about it without senseless violence.

posted April 16, 2008 11:40 AM            

There was no way possible for a peace agreement between the PLO..Arafat and Israel. Same goal, the destruction of Israel.

posted April 16, 2008 11:56 AM            

It's Hillary and Obama who promise to withdraw US military forces from Iraq and give terrorists there..including al-Qaeda a victory.

So, it's not surprising all the various terrorist factions would hail a Hillary or Obama presidency as a victory...and also as a major recruiting tool.

ELECTION 2008
Lawmaker affirms terrorists
want Obama White House
Won't back down after Dem front-runner's campaign
presses McCain to denounce congressman's remarks
Posted: March 10, 2008
1:05 pm Eastern

Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa
An Iowa Republican congressman refuses to back down from his assertion terrorists will celebrate if Democratic candidate Sen. Barack Obama is elected president.

Rep. Steve King's interview with a paper in his home state Friday drew reaction from the Obama campaign, which demanded Republican presumptive nominee Sen. John McCain denounce the remarks.

King, speaking from Washington this morning, told Radio Iowa his comments were "factually accurate" and a "reasonable" assessment of how Obama is perceived in the Middle East.

"What is discouraging to me is to hear all the allegations that came out and all the name-calling that came my way because I pointed out something that has to do with the culture of the Middle East and how it will be viewed and how a declaration for defeat as a presidential candidate will be viewed by our enemies," King said.

"They'll see it as victory and that's really the central point."

The congressman told Radio Iowa the media missed his main contention: It's Obama's promise to pull American troops out of Iraq that will be celebrated by the terrorists as an American defeat.

"They will be dancing in the streets, and they'll be dancing in the streets in greater numbers than they did on September 11th," King said. "They will declare victory and they will use it to recruit more al-Qaida."

Radio Iowa noted King's mention of Obama's middle name, Hussein, sparked the most criticism over the weekend.

The congressman insisted he never used the name "Hussein" in Friday's interview with the Daily Reporter in Spencer, Iowa.

But King did refer to Obama's "middle name" as having different meaning for Muslims overseas, and in his radio interview this morning, he expanded on that.

"His middle name is the name of the grandson of Muhammad. It's used many, many times throughout the Muslim world and it associates itself with the religion and with the heritage and with the struggle and with some of the violence that's over there as well," King said. "And so it isn't just one person who was a dictator in Iraq, it's a thread that goes through the entire Muslim world."

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posted April 16, 2008 12:06 PM            

For you, it seems moderate someone would propose up to a 10 year cease fire..but without recognizing the right of Israel to exist. That's not in any way moderate.

posted April 16, 2008 12:19 PM            

If, and I say IF Palestinians want peace with Israel, stable well defined borders and a true Palestinian state, then they will..at a minimun..purge Hamas and Fatah terrorists from positions of authority and power and elect those so called moderates you are talking about and recognize the right of Israel to exist..for starters.

posted April 16, 2008 12:24 PM            

Already endorsed by two of Latin America’s communist leaders, Barrack Obama is a favorite among the region’s radical Marxist terrorists who believe the Illinois senator will help them if he becomes U.S. president.

Evidence seized during a Colombian military raid on the Marxist terrorist group known as Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (or its Spanish acronym FARC) reveals that the group’s top commandos are receiving aid from Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez and that they see “more help coming next year if Barack Obama becomes president.”

Renowned for bombings, murder, drug trafficking, kidnapping and extortion, FARC is Latin America’s oldest, most powerful and best-equipped insurgency of Marxist origin. The U.S. government refers to the group as a narco-terrorist organization and several of its members have been tried in American courts on serious drug charges.

Information on the guerilla group’s Obama ties, which the mainstream media is sure to ignore, came from the laptop computers of various high-ranking FARC leaders. The equipment was confiscated by Colombian government forces during a recent raid on a camp in the Ecuadorian jungle that killed 23 rebels and their commander.

A strong U.S. ally, Colombia has made the correspondence between the Marxist group’s most prominent members and leaders public by posting it on a government website. Written in Spanish, the exchanges mention Obama on several occasions.

One of the electronic mails says that “gringo” associates of FARC were scheduling a sit down with Obama to lobby him since the associates believe Obama will be the next president and he rejects the Bush Administration’s free trade agreement with Colombia as well as the current military aid program.

The Illinois senator is quite popular among Latin American communists who view him as a spokesman for millions of Central Americans and Mexicans who migrate to the U.S. Last month Nicaraguan leader Daniel Ortega, the head of the Marxist Sandinista Liberation Front, said Obama’s presidential bid is a “revolutionary” phenomenon in the United States because he will bring great change that will offer justice and equality toward all.

posted April 16, 2008 12:37 PM            

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Xodian, what the hell is wrong with you? I've attempted to explain to you several times that the time I was talking about was 1948. There were no so called Palestinian refugees. There were Arabs living in the area of what was declared to be the new nation of Israel. There were also Arabs living in the surrounds area. They were told to leave, to get out of the way of advancing Arab armies which intended to destroy the NEW NATION OF ISRAEL. Then they could come back and possess the homes, farms and businesses of the DEAD JEWS. These were not the so called Palestinian refugees.

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posted April 16, 2008 01:15 PM            

U.S. Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, says terrorists will celebrate if Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama is elected, and he is on the mark.

As a journalist and author who has conducted dozens of on-the-record interviews with Muslim terrorists, including with some of the most notorious Palestinian terror leaders, and who has documented many of those interviews in a recently released, 210-page book, "Schmoozing with Terrorists," I share his belief.

Terrorists worldwide indeed would be emboldened by an Obama election victory not so much because of the senator's middle name – Hussein – or because of his family background, but because terrorists know many of Obama's policies would translate into victory for the global jihad movement.
Obama has made clear he favors a swift American withdrawal from Iraq, direct dialogue with Iran – the largest state sponsor of terrorism – and a more "evenhanded" approach toward the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

What do the terrorists think about these policies? Well, I recently asked them:

Ramadan Adassi, leader of the Al Aqsa Brigades terror group in the West Bank's Anskar refugee camp, pointed to Obama's rise to stardom as "an important success. He won popularity in spite of the Zionists and the conservatives."

Abu Hamed, leader of the Al Aqsa Brigades in the northern Gaza Strip, explained Democrat candidates' anti-war positions "prove that important leaders are understanding the situation differently and are understanding the price and the consequences of the American policy in Iraq and in the world."

Muhammad Saadi, a senior leader of Islamic Jihad in the northern West Bank town of Jenin, said talk of withdrawal from Iraq makes him feel "proud."

"As Arabs and Muslims we feel proud of this talk," he told me for my book. "Very proud from the great successes of the Iraqi resistance. This success that brought the big superpower of the world to discuss a possible withdrawal."

Abu Abdullah, a leader of Hamas' military wing in the Gaza Strip, was more direct: the policy of withdrawal, he stated, "proves the strategy of the resistance is the right strategy against the occupation."
What about dialogue with America's enemies, such as sit-downs with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad that Obama has so fervently advocated?

Muhammad Abdel-Al, spokesman and a senior leader of the Popular Resistance Committees terror group, recently explained U.S. willingness to negotiate and initiate dialogue "shows the Islamic resistance is bringing the giant [America] to its knees."

"It would be a great achievement complimented by more and more dead American soldiers they will carry in coffins to the U.S.," said Abdel-Al.

These terrorists are not just spewing rhetoric. Obama's policies absolutely will further their goal of world domination.

A lot of people think terrorism is about pieces of territory. That Iraqi insurgents just want an American retreat from Iraq and Afghanistan. That Hezbollah simply wants a piece of territory it claims belongs to Lebanon. That Hamas is fighting only to destroy Israel. What most people need to understand is that these are only the various Islamic terrorist group's short term goals. The singular overall objective of Islamic terrorism anywhere – and terrorists are boastful about this – is to spread their extremist belief system around the world.

Rep. King also indicated terrorists would rejoice if Obama were elected due to the senator's ties to Islam and his middle name.

"His middle name is the name of the grandson of Muhammad. It's used many, many times throughout the Muslim world and it associates itself with the religion and with the heritage and with the struggle and with some of the violence that's over there as well," King clarified in a radio interview. "And so it isn't just one person who was a dictator in Iraq, it's a thread that goes through the entire Muslim world."

While many terrorists commented to me they believe one day there will be a Muslim in the White House dictating sharia Islamic laws, I spoke with more than a few terrorists who were nervous about Obama's middle name. They explained they believe Obama would try to distance himself from Islam and from anti-Israel policies to prove he is not a Muslim. The terrorists instead focused largely on Obama's policies.

"The day will come when Islam will enter every house and will spread over the entire world,” Hamas' Gaza leader and former foreign minister Mahmoud al-Zahar announced at a rally last year.