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Topic: Obama's citizenship question
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writesomething
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posted November 07, 2008 06:06 PM
  
this is the funniest thread ever. delusional whackos.IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted November 08, 2008 10:14 PM
AG, I don't know why you trust that stupid site.
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Still, these officials gave no details as to where the possible next president was actually born. The state cannot release a birth certificate without a person’s permission, but Obama has yet to allow his certificate to be released. [John McCain has released his birth certificate.]
The birth certificate is just one document in a long laundry list of documents that Obama has yet to release to the public, including college records, medical records and even his records as a state senator in Illinois
Since the founding of our republic, 42 men have served as president of the United States. Of these, there are only two presidents with disputed birth sites: Andrew Jackson (born in 1767) and Zachary Taylor (born in 1784). The remaining 40 presidents all have a historic site, or at least a marker, on the spot of their birth http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/obama_birth_certificate/2008/11/02/146805.html
1961 is not too ancient that we do not know his exact birth place. Oh please don't tell me that he was born in a manger 
Writesomething, it is you that is drinking too much from the Obama kool-aid while I haven't drunk anything. Why did they publish altered birth certificate in the first place and when good citizens questioned that, they produced another?Something is fishy right there. But your liberal brain is too wired uo with Obama and you could not think for yourself. Heh check your dark lords 12th house Jupiter - there could be atleast 7 interpretations in it. 12th house is the dark house of unconsciousness. I want to put a marker on the exact place that he was born for future generations to know that here was born a man that changed America forever (sorry, I still don't know what the change is about so the monolith could wait until i know what the change is about)
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Mannu
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posted November 09, 2008 12:12 AM
Supreme Court Justice David Souter’s Clerk informed Philip J. Berg, the lawyer who brought the case against Obama, that his petition for an injunction to stay the November 4th election was denied, but the Clerk also required the defendants to respond to the Writ of Certiorari (which requires the concurrence of four Justices) by December 1. At that time, Mr. Obama must present to the Court an authentic birth certificate, after which Mr. Berg will respond. If Obama fails to do that, it is sure to inspire the skepticism of the Justices, who are unaccustomed to being defied. They will have to decide what to do about a president-elect who refuses to prove his natural-born citizenship. "I can see a unanimous Court (en banc) decertifying the election if Obama refuses to produce his birth certificate," says Raymond S. Kraft, an attorney and writer. "They cannot do otherwise without abandoning all credibility as guardians of the Constitution. Even the most liberal justices, however loathe they may to do this, still consider themselves guardians of the Constitution. The Court is very jealous of its power -- even over presidents, even over presidents-elect." Also remember that on December 13, the Electoral College meets to casts its votes. If it has been determined that Mr. Obama is ineligible to become President of the United States, the Electors will be duty-bound to honor the Constitution. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted November 09, 2008 01:46 AM
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AG, I don't know why you trust that stupid site.
Mostly because it's not stupid, and actually factual. If you're interested in facts, that's a great site to keep in mind. If you're interested in conspiracy, then you're looking in all the right places. I told you this was a loser from the start, and I'm still confident my original assessment will be correct in the end. IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted November 09, 2008 09:44 AM
Nope I don't agree with you --remember Palin once said she reads them all 
Me too. Proves she does have atleast a degree in media communications. The dumb liberal media blew it out of proportion. When you say you read all of it, it means you read nothing. May be she meant she reads most of them.I have an eye for wisdom - that site lacks wisdom. It may be factual but dead in its final analysis. Obama is perhaps following Solenskys technique - confuse them. His campaign did just that --produce a fake certificate in the beginning. Did you read that radical book ? IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted November 09, 2008 03:02 PM
No I didn't read any radical books, and I also don't believe you have an eye for wisdom. If you could discern wisdom, you'd know that only the most foolish of American-trained consitutional lawyers would pursue the Presidency without being a natural-born citizen. It's a preposterous notion. IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted November 09, 2008 04:03 PM
your head is buried in your you know what  your logic is naive and hence you lost many arguments we had in the past. reread what i wrote before. I have not reached a final conclusion yet. But it does not seem to matter any more now. ===============================
There are two scenarios about his citizenship: 1. Simplest case is when he was born in Kenya. He is outright disqualified if that was the case. 2. He was born in Hawaii but lost his citizenship due to a scenario described in the constitution or judicial laws. Didn't some one hack his passport? We need to go back all the way to the past when he travelled on several passports. The Immigration department may or may not have those in their records. It might perhaps take them some time to obtain that information. IP: Logged |
TINK
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posted November 09, 2008 04:20 PM
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If you could discern wisdom, you'd know that only the most foolish of American-trained consitutional lawyers would pursue the Presidency without being a natural-born citizen. It's a preposterous notion.
I actually spit my coffee out on that one. AG, you're very much a take things at face value kind of guy, aren't you? I'm not condemning you for that, but sometimes it can make a person a little naive.
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Mannu
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posted November 09, 2008 04:23 PM
Hehe, I am used to AG's naiveness.He and Bill Maher are very similar when it comes to Obama. Maher apparently does not find any faults in Obama. AG too.
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AcousticGod
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posted November 09, 2008 04:24 PM
The logic is quite simple, because it need not be elaborate. There is one highly likely scenario about his citizenship: he was born where and when his birth certificate says. Nothing can be easier than that. Beyond that, the simple psychological knowledge that intelligent people (particularly those intimately familiar with the law) typically don't dare trying to slip one by the government, especially when trying to achieve its top job. Even inbeciles know that the most intense public scrutiny one can put themselves through is a campaign for the President of the United States. As such, I've not chosen to read the vast majority of what you've posted on the subject. I'm opting to wait it out. I'm sure the judges will judge, and when they do you can come back and let us know if I was right, or if indeed you were right. IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted November 09, 2008 04:28 PM
>>>As such, I've not chosen to read the vast majority of what you've posted on the subjectThen I think its wise to save your comment till later. I doubt that you have any immigrant in your family or know a friend. you and most average americans are unaware of the immigration laws. It is complicated and a constitution lawyer is not an expert on immigration laws. did you forget about Obama's illegal aunty? oh I forget libs have a great heart and they think illegals have all the rights in the country And BTW it was a Democrat who alerted us about this, not a republican. I wonder if you are even aware of that in your naive head
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AcousticGod
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posted November 09, 2008 04:29 PM
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AG, you're very much a take things at face value kind of guy, aren't you?
Maybe, but I don't think so. Face value alone would dictate that I merely have faith in the birth certificate. I do go a step further in believing that one wouldn't potentially subject themselves to an enormously major public embarrassment like the one he'll receive if there's any truth to this notion. Are there really reasonable and available assurances that could have been offered to him that would insure with absolute certainty that he could get away with running as a citizen of another nation? Would you try that as a black man?
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Xodian
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Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 09, 2008 04:32 PM
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And BTW it was a Democrat who alerted us about this, not a republican. I wonder if you are even aware of that in your naive head
Well Mannu, taking AG aside, if we were to go upon that logic then you're well aware that currently, Governer Sarah Palin is being "Palined" by the John McCain's camp . And they aren't holding back on the dirt they're dishing out on her... IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted November 09, 2008 04:33 PM
I used to play music with a Filipino who moved his whole family over here. In fact, his brother is illegal now, because there was some mistake made at the school he was attending, so he lost his educational Visa. That said, no, I'm not intimately familiar with immigration law.And Mannu, don't ascribe things to me that are patently untrue. I've never ever implied that Obama was infallible, and I don't plan on it. IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted November 09, 2008 04:47 PM
Xodian by liberal libran friend.>>>And they aren't holding back on the dirt they're dishing out on her...
They are faceless cowards so I won't worry about what they have to say. Let them come out in the open then it can be argued.
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Xodian
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posted November 09, 2008 04:55 PM
Canadian here Mannu. Even our concervatives are Liberals in disguise Lol! Thus I call myself the "Canadian Conservative."And our Liberals used to mean something to the public before Stephen Dion came in... And well, as you know, the convervatives are now in power. Well teh fact of the matter is, I wouldn't take much upon dirt slinging until there is UNDENIABLE factoid that says otherwise without any loop holes. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted November 09, 2008 05:07 PM
What? Still no rebuttal as to why a minority Leo with a law degree from Harvard would be crazy enough to run for President without citizenship?IP: Logged |
TINK
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posted November 09, 2008 05:27 PM
AG, anyone possessing the ruthless drive, pride and ambition necessary for a presidential run isn't going to let a little birth certificate annoyance like this get in their way.
Think of everything that was swept under the rug for GWB.IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted November 09, 2008 07:11 PM
Well, hopefully the courts sort it out, and we hear back from either Mannu or national news. Obama is in with the Kennedy clan.IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted November 09, 2008 11:29 PM
Now I don't care any more about this thread.
So what if he was born in Kenya as long as his loyalties are to USA and not to Kenya or Indonesia if war breaks out between them.
Which I believe is impossible in 4 or 8 years
Xodian,
>> And well, as you know, the convervatives are now in power. A libran is a complex sign to understand his political leanings. Mahatma Ganshi and Nietzsche seems to be in opposite ends of the spectrum And I am glad that you guys have gone conservative now. Please don't forget to update us when you get rid of that tax popularly called B.S.
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Eleanore
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Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 10, 2008 08:19 AM
I just don't see what the big issue is for Obama. He's a natural born citizen, right? So why not just show the stupid birth certificate and let this matter die? It was argued, and reasonably so I might add, that GWB was hiding something in his medical records and whatever else he didn't want released. I would think, especially after that fiasco, that any new president elect with nothing to hide would be speedily forthcoming even if just to squash potential rumor mongering. No need to let it get this far, really. Very quick fix. IP: Logged |
TINK
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posted November 10, 2008 10:11 AM
What's the matter? Isn't a birth announcement posted in a local Hawaiian newspaper good enough for you, you freakin delusional whacko?IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted November 10, 2008 12:18 PM
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So why not just show the stupid birth certificate and let this matter die?
http://wire.factcheck.org/2008/11/01/its-official-obama-born-in-the-usa/ It's already been done. IP: Logged |
Eleanore
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posted November 11, 2008 06:05 AM
I believe I missed the part where he's released it for public view. IP: Logged |
TINK
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posted November 11, 2008 08:31 AM
I'm new to this subject so forgive my stupidity here, but, AG, I don't see it either. I see that fact check reporters say they saw a birth certificate, that the Obama camp says they have the original copy, that Hawaiian officials say they have a birth certificate on file. What I don't see is the birth certificate itself. What am I missing here?IP: Logged |
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