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Topic: Obama's citizenship question
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juniperb
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From: Blue Star Kachina
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 11, 2008 08:55 AM
  
sigh tink, you asked What am I missing here? Same thing this delusional wacko is missing. a factual,original state certified birth CERTIFICATE After the brouhaha of Bush`s medical files ( or visual lack thereof)you`d think Obama would be a stand up guy and produce, with grace, any questioned material. Being honest and forthright is part of "change", yes?
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AcousticGod
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From: Pleasanton, CA
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posted November 11, 2008 11:19 AM
Now I must be missing something, because the same one that fackcheck.org says they've held in their hands has been scanned, and available on their site for quite some time, and it's the same one that's been floating around on the internet for months.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html IP: Logged |
TINK
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posted November 11, 2008 04:51 PM
AG, I've looked at that. It could be my birth certificate.IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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From: Pleasanton, CA
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posted November 11, 2008 06:35 PM
Do you want to hold it yourself?IP: Logged |
TINK
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posted November 11, 2008 08:57 PM
 That's not fair, AG.A picture of the birth certificate that actually shows the man's name on it might be nice. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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From: Pleasanton, CA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 11, 2008 09:03 PM
Ok. I haven't seen that.  IP: Logged |
TINK
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posted November 11, 2008 11:21 PM
would anything less suffice?IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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From: Pleasanton, CA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 12, 2008 12:27 AM
I think so, yes.IP: Logged |
TINK
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posted November 12, 2008 01:02 AM
Well, if you're willing to take someone else's word for it .....Some people might appreciate a little proof though. Why is that so much to ask?!  IP: Logged |
writesomething
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posted November 12, 2008 01:49 AM
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A picture of the birth certificate that actually shows the man's name on it might be nice.
what are you talking about? did you even look for it?
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_3.jpg
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writesomething
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posted November 12, 2008 01:52 AM
Another thing...all this strange talk of PROOF. You have gotten proof over and over and yet its still not enough for you? The whole discussion gets stranger by the second. You guys have nothing yet you still dig at him. Hes a citizen, and If I thought he wasnt for a second, I would say so. Its been proven, case closed. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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From: Pleasanton, CA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 12, 2008 11:48 AM
I think they want the document that shows the parents names, the measurements of the baby, etc. In California, I don't think that they have two separate documents, but I'm pretty sure Conservatives believe there is another document that shows more information.I would think that Hawaiian officials confirming it would be enough for people, but we'll see I guess.... ... or we'll never hear of it again. IP: Logged |
BlueRoamer
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posted November 12, 2008 11:58 AM
First Bush is Hitler.....now Obama is Hitler.....oh me oh myThe expansion of the federal govt is bad.....and it just keeps expanding its own power...what's next, America joining the EU? IP: Logged |
TINK
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posted November 12, 2008 04:46 PM
writesomething
let's start with this - you're posting on a site where people believe in Pleiadian spacemen and lizard politicians who eat human babies for brunch. Bearing that in mind, calling those who expect proof of Obama's birthplace "delusional whackos" seems a little silly, doesn't it?Maybe it's me or my computer, but I can't make out anything on the birth certificate factcheck posted. So, I figured, what the hell, I'll toss aside 15 minutes of my life and went snooping about looking for more info(Berg's site is actually worth a look, I think.) I did find other pics of the certificate, which showed a more clear image and, yes, Obama's name was visible and legible. Again, as Jwhop mentioned, this is a pic of a Certificate of Live Birth. Some people are asking for the original Birth Certificate. The one that the Gov of Hawaii says they can't have. Personally, I tend to think he was born in Hawaii. Even if he was born in Kenya, it will never be proven, so I say we move on. It's really not much of an issue for me. I guess we'll just wait for Dec1st and see what Obama has to show the Supreme Court.
The expansion of the federal govt is bad.....and it just keeps expanding its own power...what's next, America joining the EU?
BR, I imagine you're being a bit sarcastic there, but, nevertheless, yes, that sums it quite nicely.  I would think that Hawaiian officials confirming it would be enough for people God, that's adorable. You really are a dear, sweet man, aren't you? IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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From: Pleasanton, CA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 12, 2008 04:58 PM
Adorable? I'm naive because I believe that official confirmation ought to satisfy you? Really? Even after confirming that your position is essentially exactly the same as mine?IP: Logged |
TINK
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posted November 12, 2008 06:11 PM
It's not the same. You're convinced. I'm not concerned. I don't take the word of "Hawaiian officials" as scripture. But I don't think it will come to anything. I don't think it will be allowed to come to anything.I imagine that anyone who instinctively doesn't trust authority thinks of those who do as tending towards naivete. I also imagine that anyone who instinctively does trust authority thinks of those who don't as tending towrds paranoia. For better or worse, I have my reasons and I'm sure you have yours. ... and I meant adorable in the nicest, most respectful of ways. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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From: Pleasanton, CA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 12, 2008 06:51 PM
I think I match your lack of concern. As I've stated, I haven't read Mannu's every word on the subject. I also didn't read Jwhop's stuff on page 2 of this thread. I also haven't been to Berg's site looking up his argument against. For a person as curious as I am, that shows a marked lack of concern I'd say.My non-concern is based on being convinced about my understanding of human nature sure. And while Kennedy supporters were the ones to nudge Obama into the race, I wouldn't think that a fixed Sun and Ascendant would opt for the non-absolute position of maybe getting away with something that major, and that central to the qualifications of the Presidency. quote:
I imagine that anyone who instinctively doesn't trust authority thinks of those who do as tending towards naivete.
I don't know that it's a matter of that. I've always been antagonistic towards authority, which isn't the same thing, but it's fairly close. Often I do trust at least some of the competencies of those I challenge. quote:
... and I meant adorable in the nicest, most respectful of ways.
I completely doubt that. The alternative notion seems far more useful to your position. IP: Logged |
TINK
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posted November 12, 2008 07:58 PM
Alrighty, I'll be more specific. Tell me if is this sounds accurate - you're not concerned because you're convinced. I'm not concerned because I think it's useless. How's that? Good? I don't nuthin' bout no fixed signs, but I stand by my ruthless politician comment. I completely doubt that. The alternative notion seems far more useful to your position. Hey, a little healthy paranoia there? 
The fear comment a few days ago was tongue in cheek, but this one wasn't. Honest. I don't reserve my respect for those who hold the same opinions as me. I think I might still have that membership card around here somewhere.  I say we all put this to bed and reconvene on the 1st. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
Knowflake Posts: 5450
From: Pleasanton, CA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 13, 2008 11:35 AM
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The fear comment a few days ago was tongue in cheek, but this one wasn't. Honest. I don't reserve my respect for those who hold the same opinions as me. I think I might still have that membership card around here somewhere.
I didn't make it clear, but I don't doubt that you hold some affection for me. I'm merely pointing out that I don't believe that the reason for stating your affection was as much for my benefit as it was for yours. It reminds me of the recent JFK issue... a compliment served with a critique.  Just a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down IP: Logged |
TINK
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posted November 13, 2008 01:32 PM
AG - You seemed offended by my "adorable" comment, which, unlike a few other things, actually should have been taken at face value.
Lately, more and more, I watch people on this site disagree and consequently flip out. Do I think you're being naive about this birth certificate semi-fiasco? Yeah, I do. Do you think I'm being a little paranoid, overreacting a bit? Obviously. This qualifies as "medicine"?hmmm spoonfuls of sugar harboring passive aggressive poison. Yeah, I'm familiar with that. Something like this for instance? "I think you always keep up just fine. Maybe better than most." or your comment about my post on a recent Birthday thread? That was fun. No harm done though, AG. I'm not an easily hurt person. are yeah sending HSC a royalty check?  IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
Knowflake Posts: 5450
From: Pleasanton, CA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 13, 2008 02:17 PM
I did realize that the "medicine" metaphor wasn't quite appropriate, but that line kept coming to mind, so I put it down. It does tie a bit in that it is a mix of the bitter with a bit of the sweet.I would be far less fair with you if I were deeply offended, and I would have far less patience for pointing out what I'm pointing out. You are familiar with backhanded compliments, right? There is a possibility of it being unintentional, but as you do agree with the underlying negative its natural that I would believe that was your intent. That is further underscored by the huge smiles flanking either side of your comment. I know you'll be inclined to discount these, but there is always intention behind these smiley's use, and I'm certain you're well aware of the conventions and implications. Sincerity would call for a more believable method of conveyance like the red hearts for example. I don't suppose I need to point out what your compliment was in response to, and make the case for why it wouldn't be the most usual place to input a sincere compliment. And now I feel the need to once again point out that I don't doubt your affection. I only doubt it's use in this particular situation. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
Knowflake Posts: 5450
From: Pleasanton, CA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 13, 2008 02:38 PM
I just realized I didn't address the other things. I don't think my comment that you keep up just fine was a backhanded compliment. The "Maybe better than most" could possibly be thought to be so, but honestly the "Maybe" was only to spare any other reader's feelings.It took me awhile to catch your meaning on my comments on your post in a birthday thread, but honestly I thought your post was so over-the-top good that I probably wouldn't be able to tap into anything close to matching it. I wanted to wish him a happy birthday for certain, but you and MM both made me feel like I had an impossible task to mount, because I don't think I have the same resources to tap into. I don't read great philosophical works, so I didn't have access to what is an awesome gift store for someone like HSC. I also don't have the connection or the social ease that he and MM have, so I don't have any of their insider things. I do certainly have a lot of affection for him, though. I can see how you might have felt attacked, but it was me trying to achieve equal footing. In the end, I did force myself to tap into what I actually felt, so what I said came out ok, but if there were backhanded compliments it was driven by a deep insecurity that I wouldn't be able to provide anything near as meaningful. IP: Logged |
TINK
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posted November 13, 2008 03:15 PM
yeah, I'm familiar with backhanded compliments. I haven't read your post to HSC on his birthday thread, I only read up to your post mentioning my post on the thread and that's the one I refered to. After that I stopped reading. I went in once more and scanned it quickly to check if he wanted me to delete my post. The two smiley faces were an accident. I should have gone back and fixed it and I apologize for the misunderstaning they caused. It was nothing but pure laziness on my part. I'm not sure hearts would have made a difference though. "Over the top good"? Please. And the "balance" post on my b-day thread, so nicely adorned with those "believable" red hearts? I should be humming an old Mary Poppins tune myself. I can't help but think these were nothing but underhanded compliments. After everything that's been said here - beginning with things said on your alternate LL website - do you think I would expect anything else from you and your friends?
Again, no harm done, no grudges held on my end and everyone is entitled to their opinion ... but it is what it is. C'est la vie. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
Knowflake Posts: 5450
From: Pleasanton, CA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 13, 2008 03:58 PM
Yes, over-the-top good. As far as I was concerned your post should have been a thread killer as I didn't think anyone could do better.Woman Holding a Balance is what I came up with when using a keyword that comes to mind when thinking of you. You represent balance to me. As such when Woman Holding a Balance came up in my search results I thought it quite appropriate, particularly because the painting conveys its own mysteries with only vague hints regarding answers about itself. quote:
do you think I would expect anything else from you and your friends?
Honestly, yes. There are a couple things in your post I'm not sure if I should touch for sensitivity's sake. IP: Logged |
TINK
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posted November 13, 2008 07:43 PM
Honestly, yes.That's odd. I'm not sure if you over or underestimate me there. But alas, I am neither that noble, nor that foolish. There are a couple things in your post I'm not sure if I should touch for sensitivity's sake. Let me guess. That would be my sensitivity, right? It's a nice thought though, AG, but it's all good on my end. It really is. Dec 1st then, yes? IP: Logged |
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