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Source: http://www.cloakanddagger.de/lenny/alberto_rivera.htm

How the Vatican created Islam. The astonishing story from an ex-Jesuit priest, Alberto Rivera, which was told to him by Cardinal Bea while he was at the Vatican.

From "The Prophet": http://www.choosinglife.net/Islam.htm

This information came from Alberto Rivera, former Jesuit priest after his conversion to Protestant Christianity. It is excerpted from "The Prophet," published by Chick Publications, PO Box 662, Chino CA 91708. Since its publication, after several unsuccessful attempts on his life, he died suddenly from food poisoning. His testimony should not be silenced. Dr. Rivera speaks to us still ...

"What I'm going to tell you is what I learned in secret briefings in the Vatican when I was a Jesuit priest, under oath and induction. A Jesuit cardinal named Augustine Bea showed us how desperately the Roman Catholics wanted Jerusalem at the end of the third century. Because of its religious history and its strategic location, the Holy City was considered a priceless treasure. A scheme had to be developed to make Jerusalem a Roman Catholic city.

"The great untapped source of manpower that could do this job was the children of Ishmael. The poor Arabs fell victim to one of the most clever plans ever devised by the powers of darkness. Early Christians went everywhere with the gospel setting up small churches, but they met heavy opposition. Both the Jews and the Roman government persecuted the believers in Christ to stop their spread. But the Jews rebelled against Rome, and in 70 AD, Roman armies under General Titus smashed Jerusalem and destroyed the great Jewish temple which was the heart of Jewish worship...in fulfillment of Christ's prophecy in Matthew 24:2.

"On this holy placed today where the temple once stood, the Dome of the Rock Mosque stands as Islam's second most holy place. Sweeping changes were in the wind. Corruption, apathy, greed, cruelty, perversion and rebellion were eating at the Roman Empire, and it was ready to collapse. The persecution against Christians was useless as they continued to lay down their lives for the gospel of Christ.

"The only way Satan could stop this thrust was to create a counterfeit "Christian" religion to destroy the work of God. The solution was in Rome. Their religion had come from ancient Babylon and all it needed was a face-lift. This didn't happen overnight, but began in the writings of the 'early church fathers'.

"It was through their writings that a new religion would take shape. The statue of Jupiter in Rome was eventually called St. Peter, and the statue of Venus was changed to the Virgin Mary. The site chosen for its headquarters was on one of the seven hills called 'Vaticanus', the place of the diving serpent where the Satanic temple of Janus stood.

"The great counterfeit religion was Roman Catholicism, called 'Mystery, Babylon the Great, the Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth'- Revelation 17:5. She was raised up to block the gospel, slaughter the believers in Christ, establish religions, create wars and make the nations drunk with the wine of her fornication as we will see.

"Three major religions have one thing in common - each has a holy place where they look for guidance. Roman Catholicism looks to the Vatican as the Holy City. The Jews look to the wailing wall in Jerusalem, and the Muslims look to Mecca as their Holy City. Each group believes that they receive certain types of blessings for the rest of their lives for visiting their holy place. In the beginning, Arab visitors would bring gifts to the 'House of God', and the keepers of the Kaaba were gracious to all who came. Some brought their idols and, not wanting to offend these people, their idols were placed inside the sanctuary. It is said that the Jews looked upon the Kaaba as an outlying tabernacle of the Lord with veneration until it became polluted with idols.

"In a tribal contention over a well(Zamzam) the treasure of the Kaaba and the offerings that pilgrims had given were dumped down the well and it was filled with sand - it disappeared. Many years later Adb Al-Muttalib was given visions telling him where to find the well and its treasure. He became the hero of Mecca, and he was destined to become the grandfather of Muhammad. Before this time, Augustine became the bishop of North Africa and was effective in winning Arabs to Roman Catholicism, including whole tribes. It was among these Arab converts to Catholicism that the concept of looking for an Arab prophet developed.

"Muhammad's father died from illness and sons born to great Arab families in places like Mecca were sent into the desert to be suckled and weaned and spend some of their childhood with Bedouin tribes for training and to avoid the plagues in the cities.

"After his mother and grandfather also died, Muhammad was with his uncle when a Roman Catholic monk learned of his identity and said, "Take your brother's son back to his country and guard him against the Jews, for by god, if they see him and know of him that which I know, they will construe evil against him. Great things are in store for this brother's son of yours."

"The Roman Catholic monk had fanned the flames for future Jewish persecutions at the hands of the followers of Muhammad. The Vatican desperately wanted Jerusalem because of its religious significance, but was blocked by the Jews.

"Another problem was the true Christians in North Africa who preached the gospel. Roman Catholicism was growing in power, but would not tolerate opposition. Somehow the Vatican had to create a weapon to eliminate both the Jews and the true Christian believers who refused to accept Roman Catholicism. Lookng to North Africa, they saw the multitudes of Arabs as a source of manpower to do their dirty work. Some Arabs had become Roman Catholic, and could be used in reporting information to leaders in Rome. Others were used in an underground spy network to carry out Rome's master plan to control the great multitudes of Arabs who rejected Catholicism. When 'St Augustine' appeared on the scene, he knew what was going on. His monasteries served as bases to seek out and destroy Bible manuscripts owned by the true Christians.

"The Vatican wanted to create a messiah for the Arabs, someone they could raise up as a great leader, a man with charisma whom they could train, and eventually unite all the non-Catholic Arabs behind him, creating a mighty army that would ultimately capture Jerusalem for the pope. In the Vatican briefing, Cardinal Bea told us this story:

'A wealthy Arabian lady who was a faithful follower of the pope played a tremendous part in this drama. She was a widow named Khadijah. She gave her wealth to the church and retired to a convent, but was given an assignment. She was to find a brilliant young man who could be used by the Vatican to create a new religion and become the messiah for the children of Ishmael. Khadijah had a cousin named Waraquah,, who was also a very faithful Roman Catholic and the Vatican placed him in a critical role as Muhammad's advisor. He had tremendous influence on Muhammad.

'Teachers were sent to young Muhammad and he had intensive training. Muhammad studied the works of St. Augustine which prepared him for his "great calling." The Vatican had Catholic Arabs across North Africa spread the story of a great one who was about to rise up among the people and be the chosen one of their God.

'While Muhammad was being prepared, he was told that his enemies were the Jews and that the only true Christians were Roman Catholic. He was taught that others calling themselves Christians were actually wicked impostors and should be destroyed. Many Muslims believe this.

'Muhammad began receiving "divine revelations" and his wife's Catholic cousin Waraquah helped interpret them. From this came the Koran. In the fifth year of Muhammad's mission, persecution came against his followers because they refused to worship the idols in the Kaaba.

'Muhammad instructed some of them to flee to Abysinnia where Negus, the Roman Catholic king accepted them because Muhammad's views on the virgin Mary were so close to Roman Catholic doctrine. These Muslims received protection from Catholic kings because of Muhammad's revelations.

'Muhammad later conquered Mecca and the Kaaba was cleared of idols. History proves that before Islam came into existence, the Sabeans in Arabia worshiped the moon-god who was married to the sun-god. They gave birth to three goddesses who were worshipped throughout the Arab world as "Daughters of Allah" An idol excavated at Hazor in Palestine in 1950's shows Allah sitting on a throne with the crescent moon on his chest.

'Muhammad claimed he had a vision from Allah and was told, "You are the messenger of Allah." This began his career as a prophet and he received many messages. By the time Muhammad died, the religion of Islam was exploding. The nomadic Arab tribes were joining forces in the name of Allah and his prophet, Muhammad.

'Some of Muhammad's writings were placed in the Koran, others were never published. They are now in the hands of high ranking holy men (Ayatollahs) in the Islamic faith.'

"When Cardinal Bea shared with us in the Vatican, he said, these writings are guarded because they contain information that links the Vatican to the creation of Islam. Both sides have so much information on each other, that if exposed, it could create such a scandal that it would be a disaster for both religions.

"In their "holy" book, the Koran, Christ is regarded as only a prophet. If the pope was His representative on earth, then he also must be a prophet of God. This caused the followers of Muhammad to fear and respect the pope as another "holy man."

"The pope moved quickly and issued bulls granting the Arab generals permission to invade and conquer the nations of North Africa. The Vatican helped to finance the building of these massive Islamic armies in exchange for three favors:

1. Eliminate the Jews and Christians (true believers, which they called infidels).

2. Protect the Augustinian Monks and Roman Catholics.

3. Conquer Jerusalem for "His Holiness" in the Vatican.

"As time went by, the power of Islam became tremendous - Jews and true Christians were slaughtered, and Jerusalem fell into their hands. Roman Catholics were never attacked, nor were their shrines, during this time. But when the pope asked for Jerusalem, he was surprised at their denial! The Arab generals had such military success that they could not be intimidated by the pope - nothing could stand in the way of their own plan.

"Under Waraquah's direction, Muhammad wrote that Abraham offered Ishmael as a sacrifice. The Bible says that Isaac was the sacrifice, but Muhammad removed Isaac's name and inserted Ishmael's name. As a result of this and Muhammad's vision, the faithful Muslims built a mosque, the Dome of the Rock, in Ishmael's honor on the site of the Jewish temple that was destroyed in 70 AD. This made Jerusalem the 2nd most holy place in the Islam faith. How could they give such a sacred shrine to the pope without causing a revolt?

"The pope realized what they had created was out of control when he heard they were calling "His Holiness" an infidel. The Muslim generals were determined to conquer the world for Allah and now they turned toward Europe. Islamic ambassadors approached the pope and asked for papal bulls to give them permission to invade European countries.

"The Vatican was outraged; war was inevitable. Temporal power and control of the world was considered the basic right of the pope. He wouldn't think of sharing it with those whom he considered heathens.

"The pope raised up his armies and called them crusades to hold back the children of Ishmael from grabbing Catholic Europe. The crusades lasted centuries and Jerusalem slipped out of the pope's hands.

"Turkey fell and Spain and Portugal were invaded by Islamic forces. In Portugal, they called a mountain village "Fatima" in honor of Muhammad's daughter, never dreaming it would become world famous.

"Years later when the Muslim armies were poised on the islands of Sardinia and Corsica, to invade Italy, there was a serious problem. The Islamic generals realized they were too far extended. It was time for peace talks. One of the negotiators was Francis of Assisi.

"As a result, the Muslims were allowed to occupy Turkey in a "Christian" world, and the Catholics were allowed to occupy Lebanon in the Arab world. It was also agreed that the Muslims could build mosques in Catholic countries without interference as long as Roman Catholicism could flourish Arab countries.

"Cardinal Bea told us in Vatican briefings that both the Muslims and Roman Catholics agreed to block and destroy the efforts of their common enemy, Bible-believing Christianm missionaries. Through these concordats, Satan blocked the children of Ishmael from a knowledge of Scripture and the truth.

"A light control was kept on Muslims from the Ayatollah down through the Islamic priests, nuns and monks. The Vatican also engineers a campaign of hatred between the Muslim Arabs and the Jews. Before this, they had co-existed peacefully.

"The Islamic community looks on the Bible-believing missionary as a devil who brings poison to the children of Allah. This explains years of ministry in those countries with little results.

"The next plan was to control Islam. In 1910, Portugal was going Socialistic. Red flags were appearing and the Catholic Church was facing a major problem. Increasing numbers were against the church.

"The Jesuits wanted Russia involved, and the location of this vision at Fatima could play a key part in pulling Islam to the Mother Church.

"In 1917, the Virgin appeared in Fatima. "The Mother of God" was a smashing success, playing to overflow crowds. As a result, the Socialists of Portugal suffered a major defeat.

"Roman Catholics world-wide began praying for the conversion of Russia and the Jesuits invented the Novenas to Fatima which they could perform throughout North Africa, spreading good public relations to the Muslim world. The Arabs thought they were honoring the daughter of Muhammad, which is what the Jesuits wanted them to believe.

"As a result of the vision of Fatima, Pope Pius XII ordered his Nazi army to crush Russia and the Orthodox religion and make Russia Roman Catholic." A few years after he lost World war II, Pope Pius XII startled the world with his phoney dancing sun vision to keep Fatima in the news. It was great religious show biz and the world swallowed it.

"Not surprisingly, Pope Pius was the only one to see this vision. As a result, a group of followers has grown into a Blue Army world-wide, totaling millions of faithful Roman Catholics ready to die for the blessed virgin.

"But we haven't seen anything yet. The Jesuits have their Virgin Mary scheduled to appear four or five times in China, Russia, and major appearance in the U.S.

"What has this got to do with Islam? Note Bishop Sheen's
statement: "Our Lady's appearances at Fatima marked the turning point in the history of the world's 350 million Muslims. After the death of his daughter, Muhammad wrote that she "is the most holy of all women in Paradise, next to Mary."

"He believed that the Virgin Mary chose to be known as Our Lady of Fatima as a sign and a pledge that the Muslims who believe in Christ's virgin birth, will come to believe in His divinity.

"Bishop Sheen pointed out that the pilgrim virgin statues of Our Lady of Fatima were enthusiastically received by Muslims in Africa, India, and elsewhere, and that many Muslims are now coming into the Roman Catholic Church."

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""All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident"~Arthur Schopenhauer

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posted November 29, 2008 03:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted November 30, 2008 04:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xodian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh for the love of...

LTT, do you ever research your stuff before posting out such nonsense?

Allah's name and sactity was kept seperate from pagan beliefs BECAUSE it caused turmoil within Makkah at the given time. It wasn't the beliefs of the people that were questioned but their practices in relation to tribal customs that promted the spread of a unified relgion (i.e. Islam.) Little girls were being burried alive due to ritualistic pratices! The people were actually OPPRESSED by different tribal faction before the armies came in and actually gave a fighitng chance for those who might not have been so fortunate during the oppressive years.

And who in the name of all that is good, twisted Islamic co-operation with other major Ibrahamic religion as conspiricy?!? For the love of God, does anyone even remember the reconquesta innitiated by Isabella after Muslims actually IMPROVED the lives of the inhabitants of Spain and the areas they conqured. Furthermore, the allowed free and open practicing of religious beliefs for all who lived under their protection. Jews, and Christians lived side by side with Muslims. Economies flourished, Hospitals and Libraries were built and infrastructure improved.

By all accounts, the treaty were breached because of the innitiation of the reconquesta which for the most part was done by Isabella.

Gosh LTT... I am guessing you HAVEN'T taken the time to actually verify your sources.

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posted November 30, 2008 05:04 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the point is...
she's crazy..
and all the rest of you are crazy..

and, I am done
with all you crazy people!

WTF, happend to
Linda-Goodman.com
???

what happened!?

I'm leaving this place of characters..
and their lies, it's like a cult..
really

but, I was never let in. ...

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posted November 30, 2008 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Xodian - don't worry. You were created by the Vatican and im not a Jew cuz she said so. Must really suck to have our lives completely disintegrated like that. Lets start a support group for people who grew up thinking they are one thing and on this wonderful November day were enlightened to the contrary.

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posted November 30, 2008 01:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh my


That must be the secret behind the secret behind the secret .....


juni

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posted December 03, 2008 03:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is there any harm in looking at things from different angles and from various sources?

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posted December 04, 2008 12:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, if the sources are completely ridiculous and blatantly false

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posted December 04, 2008 07:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xodian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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don't worry. You were created by the Vatican and im not a Jew cuz she said so. Must really suck to have our lives completely disintegrated like that. Lets start a support group for people who grew up thinking they are one thing and on this wonderful November day were enlightened to the contrary.

Yep but remember though; Its unbiased truth and obviously the historical texts that say otherwise are not but a false outlook created by the elite and they obviously want to brainwash us all and deviate us from the supreme truth in question .

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posted December 04, 2008 08:13 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What if such sources are no more ridiculous than other sources...after all...when it comes to the history books- a lot of the time- we are simply relying on another person's word....

Just because I posted the article, does not mean I believe it. I don't "believe" anything I cannot "know"....I simply seek (and follow that which has the most compelling evidence), but I do not mind if I need to think about something again or re-evaluate something.

In my opinion, this information from the Jesuit Priest was thought provoking and therefore I thought it was worth hearing about.

If something is untrue, then to discuss evidence of it being untrue only makes the topic more fascinating.

At the end of the day...isn't that we want....to find the truth, the whole truth...and nothing but the truth?

Or is it better to believe something without being sure about it?

I personally am not bothered by what people believe....but I am bothered when something that people believe is used as a means to justify violence.

I think at the end of the day, everybody wants the world to be more peaceful....we all want the same thing...we are just at odds as to the method of how to achieve it.

That's whats so ironic about all the wars in our world.

If we could only wake up and learn to see through each others eyes.....all the wars could end.

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posted December 04, 2008 09:10 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
By the way, Xodian, I have no doubt that a lot of good has come out of Islaam, but that is another subject altogether.

What I am trying to do is find evidence whether something is or is not what we have been made to believe it to be.

That is all.

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posted December 04, 2008 09:19 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Religion and politics are subjects many people aim to avoid for obvious reasons. Deep down, everybody just wants to get along.

But I think we are experiencing such complex times in the world that the search for the truth has become fatally urgent. Every time we see a tragic picture of a war casualty, it is not some stranger, but our very own kin. It could happen to any of us.

"A time comes when silence is betrayal".
~ Martin Luther King

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posted December 04, 2008 09:21 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have said more on this subject on another thread:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/004707.html

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posted December 05, 2008 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good for you, LTT.

Keep an open mind.

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LTT, do you ever research your stuff before posting out such nonsense?

Xodian, LTT can say the same thing to you-- and how do you know for certain that your sources are correct or indeed a fact? I am not saying that she is correct in her sources, but the same applies to yours-- and you being a Libra, I am sure you can balance that out It simply seems that LTT is mainly posting an article she found interesting-- simply exploring, being curious of other possible explanations surrounding the subject matter-- it's the Gemini in her!
We can explore, investigate within any particular subject, even the most reliable sources can very much be wrong and false-- it's best to keep an open mind, and in the end after assessing all material, discovering for ourselves what rings true and what does not-- It boils down to what we believe to be true.

HSC, ditto to what you said-
LTT, keep an open mind~

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posted December 05, 2008 06:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xodian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well silverstone is it also the Gemini in her that's so easily seduced by just one angle of given historical events ?

The article in question failed to underline so many historical turmoils the Holy Roman Empire faced during the transitional phases, its just can't be given an factual credential.

The article failed to mention Barbarrosa's attempt at creating his own papal legacy which threatened to split the church in half. The article failed to mention Attila's conquest of outlaying Roman Empire territory. The article fails to mention the ongoing crisis in Europe concerning the Plategenit conflict, and the 100 years war.

I would have to say the church really ahd its hands full in dealing with enough of a mess as it is. Only a moron would instrigate an idiotic expansionist plan when their own given territory was in turmoil.

Just pick up any Encyclopedia Silverstone and just look these events up. Furthermore, I do have a minor in classical history and Western civilization .

So, would the Gemini in question please do more research and THEN claim factual disposition of a given piece of litreture such as this article.

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Thank you for pointing me in the direction to do so, Xodian.

I can't help but be suspicious about the forces behind religion such as the Old Testament and the Qur'an....it just doesn't make any sense that the true, divine, infinite Creator would be wrathful and violent. The article may indeed be wrong, but I still feel the need to find out who is behind it all...and if it really is a god then is there another, more loving one!

I do suspect aliens/ interdimensional beings are behind a lot of it though.

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So, would the Gemini in question please do more research and THEN claim factual disposition of a given piece of litreture such as this article.

LOL, Xodian, she never said the source she provided was factual truth in her post. If you read carefully, she responded to you stating, quote:

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posted December 04, 2008 09:10 AM Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees Edit/Delete Message By the way, Xodian, I have no doubt that a lot of good has come out of Islaam, but that is another subject altogether.

What I am trying to do is find evidence whether something is or is not what we have been made to believe it to be.
That is all.


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Just pick up any Encyclopedia Silverstone and just look these events up. Furthermore, I do have a minor in classical history and Western civilization . Xodian

Is that what this is about? LOL Moreover, I have a Masters in Literature and Composition And, by the way, all of the courses I took, all of the books I read, and just because I have my Masters, doesn't mean that everything I read, studied, and learned means I believe it to be true.

Again, as I previously wrote: We can explore, investigate within any particular subject, even the most reliable sources can very much be wrong and false-- it's best to keep an open mind, and in the end after assessing all material what truly matters is discovering for ourselves what rings true and what does not-- It boils down to what we believe to be true.

Have a good weekend,

Silver

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