posted January 24, 2009 03:07 PM            

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concerns me she works in family services here in the U.S. Hope she actually helps the kids that need help, instead of breaking up single family homes as many of the f'd up social services workers do.

That belief system is breaking down here in America, FYI.

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posted January 24, 2009 04:53 PM            

it does sound to me like your family and father are more enlightened than that. i know a lot of indians are...which is why my post was expressing surprise that you seem so vehement about women expecting to be treated as partners not chattel...

posted January 24, 2009 07:24 PM            

This is a beautiful country. I have met many different peoples of different "classes", and truly, class comes from the heart, from experience, from having empathy... I empathize for those who are struggling. including those young single moms and dads. I empathize for women getting out of abusive relationships. I empathize for people who are homeless....I empathize for women trying to make it in the workplace..

I empathize for her (miss "v") because she does not know everything, but one day she will know more.

posted January 24, 2009 07:53 PM            

from vdi...

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thanx to feminism's lesbian stalwarts like Dworkin et al who were doing nothing more than project their own penis envy on women and men thru hate speeches today tax payers are supporting 40 % of all single moms and their b@stard spawn

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http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/004734.html
if you and other Liberals dont stop moralising international politics I will end up paying for the upbringing of a million B@stards so their s1ut mamas can throw themselves on junkies and bad boys with no regard for responsibility.

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In my area it is very "Bible Beltish".
The right to lifers even protest the Planned Parenthood.
I have gone up to these protesters and asked
if they would adopt the unwanted children. Answers range from..
no...its black...
to even...
no way would I want to adopt a crack smoking sl-t's ba$tard brat ! That's what foster care is for you "blank(insert racial slur) lover!
Uh huh.
These narrow minded bigots think scaring teens with Bible quotes will stop them from having sex.
Sex ed has been protested too and hobbled.
And STD's and pregnancy are on the rise.
Teens who use to go to Planned Parenthood and or free clinics for condoms are afraid to now. The holier than thou would harrass and or assault them
PS. Oddly the protesters I have encountered are all white Christians. If their kids mess up they secretly "take care of the "problem"..
what a bunch of hypocrites!

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It has always been a mtter of practice for women to marry above them.
show me women , who wants to marry below her,
unless she is in her later thirties .

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Marriage has always been more about econmics -
a partnership that aims at creating a life together - rather than love

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posted January 24, 2009 08:16 PM            

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but its not forcing women to leave their husbands
by brainwashing them through school and college
so when they hit their late thirties and men want nothinh to do with them,
off they go to the sperm donors to make up for not having a hubby...wow..

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Would you let a man go scot free if his wife turns into a post-partum depression monster ,
refuses to do the chores around the house , mistreats the kids...
Men are expected to stick with their decisions and if they call
such women for what they are they are coward pigs
who only knbow to run when the going gets tough.

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Your remarks are totally disgusting.
So a woman afflicted with severe post-partum depression are all:

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b]such women for what they are they are coward pigs
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posted January 25, 2009 04:43 PM            

in the west, venus, marriage is still a partnership but it is based on mutually loving feelings between two adults (hopefully) and not on the dynastic needs or judgement of the family. except of course in UPPER CLASS families, where the unit can be seen as the important factor. but even there, we make OUR OWN DECISIONS. this puts more pressure on the partners but it also causes more growth. it is a flawed system, but so is india's.

what people are really objecting to here is your strident, nigh hysterical tone (a lot of which is from the articles, but you chose to quote them), your generalizations and your use of sources who could only be called "chauvinist". of course (some)men think women should get back in the kitchen and shut up! it is strange coming from a woman but you are not the only one.

posted January 25, 2009 04:59 PM            

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for your information, zala, a woman reaches her PRIME near the age of 30 and it lasts a LOT LONGER than a man's prime.

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I remember when I was 20, I thought I knew everything there was to know about life – and the older I get, the more I know the less I know. That sort of humility is empowering, and bequeaths a lot of tolerance of differences and foibles, unlike the strictly black and white perceptions of some younger people…..

Isn’t it kind of humorous to note that the 20-somethings who are afraid of getting older have no idea how much fun it can be??
And, they don’t realize that those boobs they’re so proud of up around their collarbones WILL descend – no one gets out of THAT alive without implants
And it's OK that our bodies change -- I earned those wrinkles around my eyes!! -- especially when those changes foster acceptance and wisdom.

posted January 25, 2009 05:40 PM            

well you would have been a geriatric primagravida in england!! personally, rather you than me, but at the same time, more power to you.

posted January 25, 2009 05:55 PM            

And I raise my kid on my own, I am an excellent mother.

So sad, that such superficial values run, such a fear of aging, when it is aging that beautifies a woman's soul.

Linda Goodman was so beautiful in her "older years"...

posted January 25, 2009 08:26 PM            

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It really is sad to see strident, spitting-cat-in-a-corner, callous, caustic, malicious diatribe from people who have everything going for them -- pretty on the outside, ugly on the inside

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katatonic!
You said it well!

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the surprising thing is the women who are the loudest downplayers of "women's libbers" are extremely liberated themselves! they hold down high-paying jobs, raise children and marry late, and you, dear, look like joining their ranks -!

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I have after age 30 attracted young men....usually much younger.
My husband is 15 years younger than myself.
I am confident in just being myself. Not playing the games many (not all of course!) pretty and thin and younger women do. To my delight, THAT is often very appealing to younger men. They know they do not have to impress me...just be themselves.
Most of my friends are younger men....ages 20 to 45. And, if I were not married, they have made it quite clear they would not be adverse to having more intimate relations with me despite my being overweight, seriously saggy huge boobs, and in my mid 50s. My best woman friend, (she passed away at age 84) was also disabled. She married a younger man. Later on at age 69 she began a serious relationship with a man nearly 50 years younger than her. It lasted some 8 years. The reason it ended was he was killed in an accident.
The overriding theme in such younger men/older women relationships is the woman has a loving personality and intelligence.
Many younger men do indeed find that very appealing! The brain/mind IS the sexiest body part!

My grandmother outlived all her 5 much younger husbands. (5 out of 6)
Her first was 57 years or so older than her.
The rest were from about 5 to 20 years younger than her. She was not a pretty woman.
But she had one heck of a great personality and charisma!

posted January 25, 2009 09:39 PM            

You damn well know that we live in a patriarch society, and that women are not always treated fairly. Women in the same job as often get paid less (starting wage) along with fatter people. Just about every religion out there is patriarch based.

How DARE you come here and spew cr@p!!! Your mouth and rectum are one and the same.

posted January 25, 2009 10:20 PM            

And it's a fact that there are hundreds of thousands of people *already* here in the USA who speak much the same as (and also much worse than) the offensive poster.
The freedom we enjoy here due to the First Amendment must apply to all or none.
I'm not thrilled that people from other countries come here to take advantage of our educational system or the job market, slagging off and sniping at 50% of the population, while enjoying the bounties and opportunity of this land. But that's what Freedom of Speech is all about.

posted January 25, 2009 11:00 PM            

It is sad that because of men, women mistreat other women.

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This secure environment is known as the patriarchal structure and it produces family. Men make patriarchy. No men—No patriarchy. No patriarchy—No family. No family—No security. No security produces depressed women.

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yeah well, i just posted an artocle from another blog , understanding Patrairchy to mean " Family " - with parents still married - like it was until the the past 4 decades . If patriarchy implies thge Father is more than the mother then i dont agree.

That NOT what family has ever meant here were i was raised - fathers and mothers are EQUAL - equally indispensible, equally important, equally different .

Sorry for the confusion.

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I found that quite offensive and un-liberated, definitely not an equality for women thing. And quite insulting to women too. Evoking the women as property concept.

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I considered it as meaning men and women in an interdependent dynamic - which implies independence as an individual before one can be interdependent .again sorrry.

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So...in your opinion...am I a failure because
I am disabled? Because I have lived on the streets and eaten out of trash/dumpsters, and begged for food? And still straddle the poverty rail? Men and Women both fall on hard times and need help. That does not make them all low life failures. Yeah, some are moochers, but most are not.

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er...that is my signature and its a up yours to women i see here in California who have no sense of personal responsibility...again soory but that is my signature because i find it highly antiquated when women's groups push for laws that imply we are so inferior we need to be cut some slack even when we apply for a job we are to be hired on reservations rather than merit - that is most insulting

the idea is that like rights our duties and their fulfillment are what make us FREE individuals - your circumstances are the exception . :compassion:

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posted January 28, 2009 06:42 AM              

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That is not me by any stretch!
And virtually everyone in America has a choice.
I had marriage proposals from two millionaires. I turned them down.
And an upper class man too.
I refused to marry for only money.
So I am lower class because I chose to marry for love, not money

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No you are an admirable exception - because you found the kind of Love people read but never see in actual existence and therefore never hope to find.

I was speaking from my own experience of my friends, both in India and here in the U.S. as well what i see around me, ..i dont know why even in this AGE but still they think they are shortselling themselves by NOT marrying above them...maybe its a question of programming ...i know many of them would love to have what you have but they dont hope and settle for what seems practicla to them, maybe its some wierd genetic program that runs in aloop.even successful women , lawyers,doctors etc , check them to see if they are married below them - i havent found ONE till date

Personally i know that i cannot settle for a lifestyle and values - lesser than what i wa raised by.Here it is important for you to understand , the term " Gentleman " implied a man who was an upper class, i dont know why but even here i see that my male friends from the lower class do NOT have the same values i admire in my father and other men in my family ...actually they ARE kind of dominating when it comes to women rather than treating them as equals - i dont see that in my family and community and other upperclass homes - thats why i decided not to marry someone who did not have the same vaues...i dont know if that makes me superficial but i want a husband and father for myt children who has the same refined values my father had

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concerns me she works in family services here in the U.S. Hope she actually helps the kids that need help, instead of breaking up single family homes as many of the f'd up social services workers do.

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er..i made it pretty clear i do NOT volunteer here...

posted January 28, 2009 07:30 AM              

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that a patriarchy was the only way to go (obviously i paraphrase) and the definition regarding the man earning and doling out all the money as he saw fit was also from one of your posts. where you(or perhaps you were quoting there, makes no diff) were raving about the impending matriarchal society we are facing and how it was destructive to all...

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Well like i have explained to Lexx above, i thought of family when i said that.

And if you have read my explanations and do believe in equality then you will understand that at the age of 18 no one is financially secure and thats why in India parents provide for their daughters...so they can be equal partners in making a new life with their spouses.

hmm...i will check out the contents of my dowry and get back with ya

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the upper middle class I see getting finally busted for the worse crimes.
Unfortunately they are also able to buy their way out of legal troubles.

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I wish that was true . but i see the highest statistics of crimes against women and children among the lower classes..both here and back home.

i am sorry but the fact is that bride burning is an exclusively lower class phenomenon - the men in the upper classes have a second citizen status when it comes to what is good for the women and kids in the family.

Whereas a majority of all the mothers and fathers who physically abuse their children do come from the lower classes , most of them living on welfare.

The value system among the classes is toooo different .

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Thats what it means here as well, many higher class families might financially not be so well off...

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castes makes no damn logical or kind sense to me.
And is it true as many from India have told me...that the lighter skinned one is

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er..no it was based on occupation - that a person chose. Accordingly the family was termed as belongiong to the Warrior,Trader,Labour or Clergy which comprise the Caste system.

and its not racial..at all.

Besides it became defunct like back in 1947.

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It makes me feel so glad to be here in the USA, in the American culture/society where class-consciousness, disdain and snobbery towards those who have less are not the prevailing mentality.....

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Well, it means i have missed a Dodo sighting then

All i see here in CA is the opposite of what you said..Women at the workplace divided in camps of college girls and highschoolers...leaving me no option but to choose one of them , Guess which ???

At the workplace ,at the clubs, at social events,at restaurants...no where do i see the Shangrila you just describes Azalaksh.....and CA is Liberal....

Everyone looks for friendships and relationships that are the road to their goals

Use and get Used.

Women here in CA have 2 careers - the dayime Job and the nightime one - that of an Amateur Prostitute, spreading their legs for any man who is willing to take the tab on a free fine -dining meal - because thanx to liberal gender neutralising feminism they have NO idea how to loving partners - thats all they are good for - and the men know that and USE them for what they ARE good for.

the ones who want REAL relationships are single moms who didnt think it was sooo hard raising two kids by themselves and never imagined that ,men wouldnt be interetsted in loving and raising someones else rejects.

Also looking for real relationships are career women who cant score with men given men find women half their age and size more alluring.

All in all , one hell of a sad place, full of men who choose to be with wh0res rather than even attempt something as naive as a marriage, women who are disillusioned and cant understand why men are CHOOSING to have nothing meaningful to do with them.

And they have to thank the Women's Lib for that , How quaint

posted January 28, 2009 10:36 AM              

I havent shaken hands with anyone ever since i knew the rates of VD among women are as high as 4 out of 5 yeeesssshhhhh. talk about women being Public Toilets ....

Besides Equality desnt really exist does it , the same action by two different individuals can give two different results -

Equality is an Illusion .

Or the emperor's new clothes and i am the one with the balls to see it.

P.S.

Rather glad that if I want to get married i do not have to be a free fcukdoll for atleast 20 men - hoping ONE of them will want to marry me .

all i need to do in my oppressed culture is let it be known i want to get married and the most eligible bachelors who WANT be good husbands line up for a courtship - and we can see if we are both willing to be loving partners.

like i said i AM glad, i am not liberated into Prostitution or Single Motherhood.

Always GLAD

Do let me know if you ARE glad about not having THAT among other indian oppressions as well Azalaksh ....

And for you , exclusively dear Azalaksh i present

a verbose diatribe on the Class ssytem, Disdain , snobbery yadayada in your very own America, hope that adds to your glad-soup

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/004794.html