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jwhop
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posted March 15, 2009 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The answer to that question is a resounding NO.

In spite of crackpots and alarmist opportunists in and out of scientific circles best efforts to stampede the world into fear and panic, they've failed.

The target of all the man made global warming hysteria was always and still is the United States. These fear mongering opportunists and crackpots proposed turning over control of US manufacturing, transportation, indeed all energy use and regulation to the bumbling, bungling, incompetent, corrupt boobs at the United Nations. Those who control, regulate and tax the use of energy on earth would control every nation on earth.

One after another, the props holding up the crackpot man made global warming theory have evaporated in the light of day...time and peer reviewed scientific studies by real climate scientists.

Among the props the crackpots attempted to use was the so called "hockey stick" graph of earth's temperatures over the last 1000 years. This graph was an outright fraud and probably did more to damage the crackpots credibility than any other single fraud they attempted. Showing a flat line temperature on earth going back to year 1000 to the 20th Century was the "mother of all frauds". All one needed to do to believe in that "hockey stick" graph was to forget all about the "Medieval Warming Period" which ended about year 1350 and forget about the "Little Ice Age" which commenced then and ended about the middle of the 19th Century.

Further research by real climate scientists doing ice core sampling going back 650,000 years revealed that temperatures do not rise as a result of rising CO2 levels. In fact, it's the other way around. Rising temperatures CAUSE rising levels of CO2 in Earth's atmosphere...about 800 years later. That fact alone is enough to debunk the crackpot man made global warming theory that man is releasing CO2 into the atmosphere and thereby CAUSING "global warming".

For those who can connect the dots, think back to year 1200 when it was approximately 2 degrees warmer than it is now and count forward 800 years. You should arrive at the dawn of the 20th Century and find that right on schedule, atmospheric CO2 levels began to rise.

Now, the crackpots have put "Global Warming" on hold. What else could they do in light of 10 years of "Global Cooling" going back to 1999?

Don't worry they say; this is only a temporary glitch in our theory. In 30 years, earth will start warming again...due to rising levels of man caused release of CO2 into earth's atmosphere.

There are those who need a catastrophe...of any kind to push their agenda. There are those who need a catastrophe..of any kind to further their "belief system" that the planet Earth would be better off without humans.

The real catastrophe is going to come when Earth enters another Ice Age and Earth is eventually locked in a ball of ice...which it has been over and over, going back at least a billion years. Billions will starve due to shortened growing seasons. There will be wars, collapse of governments and anarchy on a global scale.

We are living in a "Golden Age" right now and have been for about 12,000 years. You won't like "Mother Earth" when she turns a cold shoulder on humanity and we're about due for that to happen...again.


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March 15, 2009
The Clear and Cohesive Message of the International Conference on Climate Change
By Marc Sheppard

“There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.” -- from the Oregon Petition, signed by over 31,000 scientists

United by that conviction, over 800 scientists, economists, and policy makers arrived in New York City last Sunday to attend the Heartland Institute’s 2nd Annual International Conference on Climate Change. They came to talk a wide range of subjects, from climatology to energy policy, from computer climate models to cap-and-trade, from greenhouse gas (GHG) effects to solar irradiation. But most of all they came to help spread the word that the answer to the question posed by this year’s theme -- Global warming: Was it ever really a crisis? -- is a resounding NO.

Sunday’s keynote speakers wasted no time making that point. Czech Republic President Vaclav Klaus scolded those whose alarmist opinions are driven by profits from writing and speaking fees, carbon trading and investments in non-carbon fuel products. And policy makers who blindly accept hyped Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) publications as the final word in climate science. In truth, says Klaus, there is no fixed relationship between CO2 and temperatures, as clearly illustrated by the wavering heat trends of the 20th century, despite the steady rise in CO2.

Next, M.I.T’s Richard Lindzen explained that many scientists tow the anthropogenic global warming (AGW) line to “make their lives easier,” as underfunded scientists can write a single paper endorsing AGW and suddenly be inundated with offers. Even ambiguous or meaningless statements that can be easily spun are financially beneficial to scientists, so why complain about the spin? Ever wonder why you never stop hearing about studies finding GW responsible for everything from kidney stones to cannibalism? Explains Lindzen: It’s become standard that whatever you’re studying, include global warming’s effects in your proposal and you’ll get your funding.

Lindzen then dismissed climate models that alarmists depend on as they themselves depend entirely on warming positive feedback but, unlike nature, ignore the cooling effects of negative feedback. And rejected the warming alarmists alarm us about as so miniscule that there’s no need for any external forcing to achieve or explain it. In reality, said the world renowned atmospheric physicist, doubling or even tripling CO2 would have only marginal impacts on temperatures.

Both speakers masterfully set the stage for the days and sessions to come. What follows is just a sampling of the brilliance I encountered.

Roy Spencer echoed Lindzen’s position that negative feedbacks ultimately bring equilibrium to the energy balance, making sustained global warming a non-issue. David Douglass assured us that ocean and atmospheric heat will always work toward such balance as per conservation of energy laws. S. Fred Singer commented that a 2005 paper by Hansen et al claiming that Earth’s energy imbalance is proof of AGW was absurd.

Geologist and former astronaut Jack Schmidt inverted the IPCC position that burning fossil fuels increases atmospheric CO2, which in turn warms the planet. Slowly increasing temperatures from 1660 AD or so, said he, would increase CO2 and methane from land, land confined water, the biosphere and, mostly, the oceans. The vapor pressure of CO2 is temperature sensitive. So as a matter of established physics of gases, we’d expect atmospheric CO2 to increase as temperature increases. Therefore, he concludes, saying that CO2 causes heating is like saying “accidents cause speeding.”

Singer moderated a panel discussion thoroughly debunking a recent paper claiming that CO2 put into the atmosphere lasts thousands of years. Participant Douglass questioned the premise as “it has nothing to do with global warming as CO2 continues to rise but GW stopped after 1991.” But as Singer pointed out, alarmists will claim it proves that peak values reached in the next few years will determine climate for the next millennium.

And Christopher Essex nailed it: Their 1000 year forecast is remarkable – even groundhogs only predict 6 months ahead.

The Sun, The Seas and The Science

Astrophysicist Willie Soon proclaimed the sun-induced climate change theory alive and well. He believes that, while IPCC AR4 fraudulently disregarded Milankovitch's theory of orbital influences on climate, the comings and goings of the ice ages may be controlled by changes in solar insolation at climatically sensitive latitudes. He displayed adjacent line graphs overlaying 20th Century arctic temperature anomalies with solar irradiance levels on one and atmospheric CO2 levels on the other. Whereas the former lined up almost perfectly, the latter wasn’t even close.

Jack Schmidt pointed out that the 1400 -1900 cold period known as the Little Ice Age corresponds to a cycling sequence of 3 deep minima of sunspot activity and was at its coldest during the last of these minima, the 70 year period of exceptionally few spots we now know as the Maunder Minimum. Dennis Avery reinforced his 1,500 year climate cycle argument and its implications for the current warming period. He told us that solar variations are linked to decade-lagging sea temperatures. What’s more, diminished sunspot activity since 2000 and Pacific Sea Surface cooling since 2008 predict a 20-30 year global cooling due to short term Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO).

Don Easterbrook neatly tied variances in the PDO and another natural climate variability, the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO), to that of solar activity and, ultimately, temperatures. The geologist pointed out that while the IPCC predicted 1°F warming by 2011, there’s been none since 1998, and that the 1°F drop in 2008 was the largest global temperature change ever recorded. He too believes that the current PDO cool phase assures global cooling for as long as the next three decades.

Roy Spencer blamed the PDO for 75% of twentieth century warming. He provided a line graph plotting temperatures against the PDO and the correlation was quite remarkable. Weaker PDOs yielded warmer temperatures and the onset of stronger circulations cooled things down. As one might suspect -- Spencer’s graph depicted a decided cooling trend beginning in 2003.

ICECAP’s Joe D’Aleo also made an extremely compelling argument against the greenhouse effect and for the natural climate drivers of oceans, Sol, and yet another -- volcanoes. On D’Aleo’s graphs, PDO/AMO aligned well with USHCN temperatures over last century, as did stratospheric aerosol levels from volcanic eruptions, and total solar irradiance. He remarked that “all three show a cycle where the last few years look a lot like the 1960’s,” which immediately caught my attention. You see, just hours prior, I had been discussing NY weather with a British representative and had commented that this winter reminded me of those I experienced as a child in the 60’s.

Lord Monckton of Brenchley suggested that the positive feedback factor might actually be half what IPCC claims. Citing Soon’s work, he said temperatures have been plunging at the rate of 2°C per century over the last 7 years, and the reduction of Outgoing Longwave Radiation as observed by satellites is on an order of magnitude below what models predict:

“And Dick Lindzen says that’s game, set and match.”
The True Cost of Green Meddling

California Congressman Tom McClintock offered examples of just how global warming is damaging his state --- all in the form of radical construction blocking, agriculture crippling, resource wasting legislation the warm-mongers have gotten through to fight it. Here’s a beauty -- a homeowner can be fined $1000/day for refusal to cut down his trees if they block a neighbor’s solar panels, but also faces fines if he cuts them down or clears brush for fire preventive purposes. And Gov. Schwarzenegger – who just proposed the largest tax increase in history to make up for funds lost by his failed green policies -- wants Cal-E-Fornia to be “an example to the country.”

Bennie Peiser, founder and editor of the fabulous CCNet, explained the political backlash European greenies are experiencing. And it’s pretty bad -- Labor and Green parties are seeing the amalgamation of the recession and failed Kyoto-inspired energy policies driving their core voters away. Lawrence Solomon offered more examples of overseas carbon regulation disasters, declaring Kyoto the greatest single destroyer of the environment, especially in the third world.

And speaking of bad GHG accords, Competitive Enterprise Institute Senior Fellow Chris Horner explained how liberals could sneak Kyoto II through the Senate by changing it from a treaty to an executive agreement. Treaties require a 2/3 Senate vote, and the Gore brigade knows damned well they’d never pull that one off. But with a little legislative sleight-of-hand, the vote required could be lowered to 3/5. And Horner warned in detail against an even slicker trick that would place it on the fast track, making it both amendment and filibuster proof – thereby requiring only 50% plus one.

Needless to say, the regressive tax increase which is Cap and Trade (CAT) was also a popular target.

CEI director Myron Ebell proclaimed John McCain’s loss last November to actually be good news, as McCain is the biggest supporter of CAT in the Senate and actually claims that energy rationing would be a net benefit to the economy. Ross Mckitrick blasted the idea of CAT systems with predetermined carbon caps as betraying a complete lack of faith in their design. If the goal is to force down carbon output, then a “truth-based” floating cap determined by temperature is called for. Suggesting we force down caps regardless of temperature response is a sign that they don’t believe their own rhetoric.

Dave Kreutzer warned that analytical models predict estimated aggregate losses to Gross Domestic Product (GDP) of $4.8 trillion and job losses in the manufacturing sector of nearly 3 million by 2029 if CAT were imposed under S. 2191. That’s over and above the million manufacturing job losses economists predict will occur even if we do nothing.

On Thursday, Easterbrook responded to a NY Times piece suggesting his positions are aligned with those of Obama’s science advisor -- John Holdren:

“[Holdren] wants carbon cap and trade that will cost hundreds of billions of dollars to curb ‘global warming’ that the PDO shows isn’t going to happen in the next several decades (no matter what the cause). The PDO data shows conclusively that global cooling is going to continue for several decades, causing increasing demands of energy and resources (while population escalates), but if we spend hundreds of billions of dollars on cap and trade (as Holdren is pushing), we will have little left with which to handle the real problems of increasing demands on dwindling resources. Holdren’s path will lead to a real global catastrophe.”
And the losses will extend beyond the monetary. Professor Arthur Robinson, author of the afore-quoted Oregon petition, revealed the true reasons we import 30% of our energy, even though “one Palo Verde Nuclear Installation in each state results in $200 billion net export of energy.” Robinson says there are those who would prefer that 30% grow much larger, encouraging higher energy prices and ultimately – rationing. And quickly advised -- once we become victims of rationing in the west we lose our all of our freedoms, but energy deprivation in third world countries will lead to the loss of tens of millions of lives.

And Monckton took on another deadly green scheme as only his Lordship can:

“Their biofuel scam, a nasty by-product of their shoddy, senseless, failed, falsified, fraudulent ‘global warming’ bugaboo, has turned millions of acres of agricultural land from growing food for humans to growing fuel for automobiles. If we let them, they will carelessly kill tens of millions more by pursuing Osamabamarama’s stated ambition of shutting down nine-tenths of the economies of the West and flinging us back to the Stone Age without even the right to light fires in our caves.”

Such, as Kreutzer so perfectly described it, is the true “cost of accomplishing nothing.”

Of Bad Scientists, Bad Data, and Bad Conclusions

Retired senior NASA atmospheric scientist John Theon expressed his regret that former employee, James Hansen, “didn’t receive the attention from me that he should have.” What followed was a heartfelt denunciation that included the fact that Hansen’s 1988 announcement of “unprecedented global warming” came as a surprise and embarrassment to Theon, as it was not NASA’s position. He then cried foul over Hansen’s endorsement of John Kerry for president in 2004, particularly after receiving the Heinz Environment Award, a $250,000 prize honoring the late-husband of Kerry’s wife in 2001. He pointed out that a civil servant endorsing a political cause violated the Hatch Act, and that alone should be grounds for dismissal, which he has publically called for. Says Theon: “I think the man is sincere, but he is suffering from a bad case of megalomania.”

There were a number of problems with data collection methods discussed.

Tom Segalstad gave us a lesson in the dubious integrity of ice-core samples. The Norwegian geologist cited numerous problems with retrieval, sampling, and storage, all of which may contaminate results. Remember -- the accuracy of these figures, combined with temperature proxies such as dendrochronology (tree ring growth analysis) is crucial as they are used to plot past temperature/CO2 correlations.

WUWT’s Anthony Watts favored us once again with stories and photographs of misplaced Maximum-Minimum Temperature Systems (MMTS). He and his cohorts have photographed and analyzed 75% of the 1200 plus national weather stations, and the results range from bad to hysterically bad. One slide showed a station in Detroit Lakes, Minnesota where the thermometer was placed within feet of not one, but two air conditioning outlets. The fact this town reported temperature well above those of its neighbors didn’t seem to raise any red-flags with the good folks ate NOAA. So it’s not particularly shocking that only 11% of stations surveyed met the required Class I or Class II requirement of likely measurement error under 1°C.

Joe D’Aleo believes that surface data suffer from serious issues biasing them to the warm side, this due to station dropout, missing monthly data, and inadequate or nonexistent urban heat island effect (UHI) adjustment. Half of the warming since 1880 may be attributed to these measurement contaminations. In fact, Climate Audit’s Steve McIntyre said we don’t actually know that the 1998 was the warmest year of the millennium as minor variations in data version yield different results.

There was also much talk about response and adaptation.

Jack Schmidt believes that while we’re awaiting the collapse of the AGW scare, we should be preparing to deal with inevitable climate change, however unpredictable it may seem. We should recognize that production of our own domestic oil and gas, coal and nuclear resources buys us time to work these challenges and preserve our liberties and our national security. We should choose sustained R&D of potential energy sources, those with clear paths to commercialization rather than continue subsidies for premature production of flawed concepts.

Bob Carter stressed preparedness, warning that abrupt natural climate change is the dangerous hazard (both warming AND cooling) and demands a planned response, which must be assessed regionally. After all, climate hazards in the Gulf of Mexico are not the same as in Australia. Besides, says Bob, if hypothetical AGW actually materializes, well – we’re prepared for that too!

Meanwhile, Dennis Avery reminded us that history shows that warm times have been good times. During the Medieval Warm Period, world population doubled, crops flourished, there was less disease and no bubonic plague. Most of Europe’s castles and cathedrals as well as India’s most famous temples were built during that period. And that as polar bears date back 130,000 years, they’ve managed to adapt through many warming periods more severe than the current one.

So whether warmer or cooler, they’ll adapt again, as will the rest of the planet – including those self-interested homo sapiens.

The Message is Clear, Cohesive, and Catching On

Last Sunday, Klaus sparked a nervous laugh when he fretted continued alarmist mainstream acceptance with the words “last year’s speech didn’t help much.” But immediately following Klaus to the podium, Lindzen reminded the Czech and the audience at large that “we should never stop trying,” which was, of course, warmly received. And the next morning, Larry Solomon gave an inspiring example of why: Recent polls in Canada showed that those who believe in “consensus” fear global warming; those who have heard from skeptics even once do not. In fact, the dominant Canadian party that made carbon pricing a major issue just suffered a major defeat.

During Tuesday’s standing-O-rousing conference-closing speech, in which he marvelously referred to alarmists as “bed-wetting moaning Minnies of the Apocalyptic Traffic-Light Tendency -- those Greens too yellow to admit they’re really Reds,” Lord Monckton added:

“Every opinion poll--even those conducted by the bed-wetters themselves – shows that global public opinion is cooling as fast as the global climate. In one recent survey, ‘global warming’ came at the very bottom of a list of political and environmental concerns, immediately behind the need to clean up dog-poop on the streets. Why? Because dog-poop is a real environmental problem and ‘Global warming’ is not. The correct policy response to the non-problem of climate change is to have the courage to do nothing.”

And then emphasized unequivocally: “There is no climate crisis. There was no climate crisis. There will be no climate crisis.”

Before gaveling the momentous proceedings, Heartland’s own James Taylor offered further encouragement to those despondent over the uphill battle it’s been to promote climate realism in an environment of mass-media-driven hyper-alarmism. Public opinion is, avers Taylor, changing in our direction, and he cited specific polls and current events to support his optimism. And he credited talk radio, cable television, the internet, and blogs with providing information to the American public “whether the mass media wants them to have it or not.”

Yet I couldn’t help recalling something I heard the ever-wise John Sununu state during one of the Q&A sessions that morning, and I paraphrase: Everything we talk about here needs to be translated into something you can put on the 6 o’clock news or explain to your neighbor. He’s right, of course. Go ask a hype-victim what causes climate variations and he’ll reflexively snap “Carbon,” and that’s quite the simple concept to propagate. Now ask a climate realist, if you have the time and patience to sit through the response.

But leaving Manhattan on Tuesday afternoon, I wondered whether it really mattered. After all, most believers don’t truly understand the workings of GHG theory, otherwise they’d surely question the influence of a trace gas. And our message may not be easily dumbed-down to a few words, but it is clear, nonetheless.

The very next day Gallup announced the results of a new poll finding that a record-high 41% of Americans now believe the seriousness of global warming is being exaggerated by “mainstream reporting.”

That’s up 11% in just three years -- despite our sometimes involute and ever media-mocked message.

Which lends undeniable assurance to Professor Lindzen’s keynote prediction that “we will eventually win against anthropogenic global warming alarm simply because we are right and they are wrong.”
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/03/the_clear_and_cohesive_message_1.html

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posted March 15, 2009 12:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jwhop, actually agree with you on this too. Read the book "State Of Fear" by Michael Chrichton. It is one of those fictions that has a lot more non-fiction than fiction in it. It is about this very subject.

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posted March 15, 2009 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes, the facts do tend to eventually negate propaganda. hopefully the weather will not be successfully manipulated to cancel out the earth's natural cycles. though it will reshape society somewhat, a cold cycle is part of what the earth NEEDS to do to maintain its balance. so whatever it brings on in terms of our civilization we will have to adapt somehow. what worries me is that there is plenty of science out there working on "controlling" these natural cycles and the weather per se...which if successfull could destroy not only us all but the planet itself. as of yet earth is in no danger, but WE need to adapt to her in a more realistic way methinks.

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posted March 16, 2009 08:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Got Gemini, I haven't read "State Of Fear" by Michael Chrichton but from what you say, it sounds interesting enough to pick up a copy.

I don't know who's kidding whom but until someone cracks the code to regulating the radiant output of the sun, climate control on earth is not going to happen.

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posted March 16, 2009 10:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
now bearing in mind that i tend to agree with you on this issue, jw:

a client of mine was telling me about this very conference today. funny thing was that his information came to the exact opposite conclusion.

my question...what do you think this says about the state of the world? are we all living in our own little bubbles and unable to see the other bubbles' reality??

is there any point in nitpicking all day and all night??

what good is it doing ARGUING about it all? do we think we are going to change anyone else? do we have to WIN to feel good?

WHAT???????????????????????????

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posted April 04, 2009 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't kid yourself it's a major crisis! http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/004920.html

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I think the Global Warming circus is distracting us from dealing with the real environmental damage we've caused. It's a toxic swamp out there

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posted April 05, 2009 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i agree tink. the climate has changed and changed again over the eons. in the 14th century it was warmer than it is now, wine grapes were growing in greenland and england and then the ice came...and when it comes apparently it is fast! some people didn't seem to have time to get away from reports i've heard...

but the toxic situation is different. even though while one species dies another 3 crop up in its place, i wonder how we humans will adapt and if there is any way to clean it up. since space is no longer the vacuum we once thought, even sending our garbage out there could have dire consequences. what to do what to do??

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So Jwhop do you think there is no way of working with Mother Nature and grasping her cycles enough to make the world inhabitable during any age?

Possibly by manipulating the weather or cutting down/increasing C02 gases could we perhaps prevent an ice age? Or are we contributing to it?
Or can we adapt?

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posted April 05, 2009 07:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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just saw this on a site i was browsing. unfortunately i have to go to bed now and havent read it yet.

The Great Global Warming Hoax
http://www.levi-tarot.co.uk/global-warming.html

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posted April 06, 2009 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not sure about global warming, but environment harming is real. There are many companies out there who are working on projects of greed as opposed to projects of needs.

And wasn't there an email going around where it showed Gore's electricy bills and other resources bills were much more expensive than Dubya's?

Gore overreacted and is a Demagogue like most people in the democrat party.

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mannu one day you will realize they are all in the same party despite differences in style and opinions as to what to do. it is called the Power Party and that is basically what most of the individuals involved are interested in.

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Kat, Agreed they are all politicians in the bottom of their souls and needs one another for their own survival. I got that when McCain did not put up a fight. I realized it when Obama told Clinton not to tear each other. I already realized when Obama , right after becoming the president spends billions on green not because he loves the environment but because he has a campaign promise to keep to Gore.
The elites are controlling this nation. The more bigger it gets the more the control.


But guess what: the need will always be there and the greedy will always manipulate the needs. Its a given and therefore anarchism is not an option in US.

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posted April 06, 2009 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gore, the energy glutton

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-6162631-7.html

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Yikes! Gore is an energy glutton. Now compare this to President Bush's comparatively modest home in Crawford, Texas, which is a model of environmental friendliness...George Bush lives environmentalism whereas Al Gore only gives it lip service, yet he's is hailed as God's greatest gift to the environment. Meanwhile, he greedily consumes far more energy than the average American who, by the way, would be footing the bill for Kyoto if we hadn't pull out of it.


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posted April 06, 2009 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Was watching the movie "The sex and the city" on HBO and this dialogue from Samantha struck a chord in me.

"The good and the bad , they both screw you and the ones that aren't either just don't know how to screw you."

(paraphrased)

I am extending that to say : politics is filled with both good and bad people and you are screwed by both types anyways, there fore it does not matter if it was Dubya that screwed you already or Lord Barry that is screwing you now LOL

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but in the end it really doesn't matter because life goes on whoever is in power.

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Excuse me, life went on after sept 11. Dubya made one mistake and you badger people in to replacing him whereas Obama committed so many, and he has been getting free pass after free pass. I mean Democrats is the party of sex and rock and roll LOL

They rave about good looking politicians .. to them junior JFK was good because he looked like a perfect greek god . I mean what a person is made up of on the inside does not matter to 'em.

They have been saying Bush is incoherent in his speeches. Dude, its because he is feeling based person. His words comes from his heart.

I just hate this attitude of -- If you do it, its fascism and if we do it, its compassion.
Gee, rant over.

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http://www.obamaimpeachment.org/

IOW, not just Bush that gets slapped.

I have noticed that many people have the attitude of "my party, right or wrong," so that it's not so much what you do as which party you belong to when you do it. MAD magazine has mocked this tendency repeatedly as well (such as "When My Party Does It vs. When the Other Party Does It").

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posted April 06, 2009 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
not sure if your "rant" was in reply to me but i am not a party politician. i did not agree with the war in iraq but life went on regardless. it will go on regardless of the economy, nuclear war, whatever. right now its the democrats in the hot seat. but as i have said before, i think obama may just be clever enough to let his enemies and their agenda shoot themselves in the foot. we will see where that leads.

i'm just warning against too much alarmism, it produces more things to be alarmed at. what you focus on expands...

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posted April 06, 2009 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good news for "global warming" nuts.

There was 4 inches of "global warming" in Detroit today. Hey and it's not even April Fools Day.

April 06, 2009
Four inches of global warming in Detroit today


http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/04/four_inches_of_global_warming.html

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katatonic
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posted April 06, 2009 07:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
did jfk jr look like a greek god? i think it was his genes that made people think he would make a good politician. not his looks but his brains and personality...but he wasn't interested, was he?

i don't care what a man looks like. you should see some of the men that have been in my life LOL!! i have to admit to a slight prejudice (in terms of being attracted) against people who can't control their appetites, but jackie gleason was VERY attractive, i thought; and a man at 35 looks very different at 55, when you can guess at his character from his face...but then i am not a democrat or a republican.

but wasn't ronald reagan our first actor/president? where's the fairness in YOUR criticism? was FDR good looking? not only was he a cripple but i wouldn't call him handsome...

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posted April 06, 2009 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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not his looks but his brains

Gee, you got to be kidding me. The guy flunked his bar exams so many times.

The democrats/repubbers had nearly same indentities when you go earlier than FDR. But it was that sob fdr who created programs like the social security -- emulating the europeans back then and thus sowing the seeds of a nanny government with government control.

That jerk Truman who took the warrior spirit out of American soldiers by dropping bombs on Hiroshima. Sadist. I guess this super jerk Obama will come up with a plan to automate that job as well -- that is next time he will make sure the planes are unmanned.

I guess the Americans have forgotten what it means to fight like a warrior on battlefields. Apparently the majority liberal people of this country and the media has made them so sissy and are responsible for the high suicide rates besides the depressing environment they are put into.

Can anything good come of the liberal morons besides the 54 hour / week program president Roosevel proposed for the miners not long ago. Was he the one??

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posted April 06, 2009 10:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
anyhow was wondering aboout a woman I know who is complaining about cancer caused by power lines on your backyard of homes even when they are 100s of feets high.

Never heard of that. Have you? I mean she says its not proven yet, but eventually it will.

Anyone?
Can we ask President Obama to add a contingent in his bill to make all new power utilities underground? Or should we spend more money to make electricity wireless. Gore can be the czar of that program. He has so many accomplishments 'inventor of the internet',
nobel prize for peace , etc etc..
Isn't he an ideal man?

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