posted November 21, 2002 05:37 PM         

I found an interesting link re: freemasonry & typhon... Is this the truths that Linda held?
http://www.mt.net/~watcher/greatwork.html

posted November 22, 2002 05:08 PM         

Juniper: Interesting link, I've just barely skimmed it before writing this. I have seen similar interpretations, but they are not the same views that Linda held. In her account all of the players were, and are, real entities who took part in the "creation saga".

Sorry it's been a while.. work has been hectic, and as Pooh was so fond of saying, I've been a wee bit "Rumbly in the tumbly", so I haven't been online much.

In terms of Lucifer... well He is/was an Angel depending upon which accounts you choose to believe. Personally, I do not believe in an Avenging God, nor do I believe anything can happen that God does not ALLOW. Remember... we are all aspects of God, or as Neal Donald Walsch says, "we are God Godding!". So was there an Angel cast from Heaven? I don't buy it. As to whether an Angel could CHOOSE to turn his back on God... well, that would be entirely another conversation. What do YOU think?

I don't recall Linda ever specifically mentioning Lucifer, so I can't speak to her opinion in that matter.

posted November 22, 2002 05:49 PM         

Lucifer is a Latin name which means "Light-Bringer" or Light-Bearer". It is also the name of Venus, the Morning and Evening Star. It denotes the planet Venus, emphasizing its brilliance.

Here are two links to explain more detail:
http://www.lds-mormon.com/lucifer.shtml

http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/Writings/LuciferandSatan.html

Donna

posted November 22, 2002 07:26 PM         

Will post again later

Lots of love

posted November 23, 2002 11:40 PM         

I agree with Aselzion's view of Lucifer. I will also say that I believe this entity is the god responsible for the creation and preservation of human-kind.

posted November 24, 2002 04:57 PM         

I particularly don't believe in devil(s).
Not on the conventional form. An entity of the evil whose only intention is transforming our lives in a hell -literally -the whole time.

The badly is made by us ,human beings.
For many of us it is always easier to believe that an evil's force acts in our lives, when in reality, we are the responsible for what we attracted. But this is only my opinion .

I used to believe in Satan/Lucifer,or whatever his name and in God. Two separate entities and at the same completed each other. The good and the badly. But one fact made me change this vision.

My daughter was five years old and became diabetic. She entered in coma and almost died.
On that moment I remember to have looked to the sky and asked: Why did you make this with my daughter ? What did she make of badly ? Why she deserves to suffer ?
For months I could not pray, nor at least to get close of the place that I do my praires at my house.

But that moment was also the turning point.

When things returned to their places and I got to return to my balance point I decided to study and to learn the purpose of our lives. The human suffering had another meaning for me. The suffering and the pain of other people was also mine . Then ,I rediscovered God and at the same time I could not believe in Satan anymore.

Returning to Lucifer. After reading the translation of his name " Light-Bringer " or Light-Bearer "- by the way Donna, thanks for the links- I had to draw a parallel between him and the serpent of Genesis, that many identify as a (the) demon.

In Genesis ,the wise serpent was the only reliable intermediary between the human race -Adan & Eve -and God.Only she and God had the knowledge. Lucifer ,according to the translation of his name,was the one who "brought the light"...
Then I continued in this " trip " until arriving to the word Guru.GU (darkness) RU (light); One who brings light into darkness.

I have the impression that they are all connected in some way...

Now guys...If I traveled too far,or too high, somebody please, pulls me back...

Jakie

posted November 24, 2002 05:02 PM         

What you said about Lucifer "is the god responsible for the creation and preservation of human-kind ".
Is this from the Sumerian's mithology/religion ?

posted November 24, 2002 05:05 PM         

Maybe for a language problem I didn't get to understand what means "wrap the brain".
Is this an expression?

posted November 24, 2002 05:48 PM         

I think Amber meant that she cannot quite find the words to express what she is thinking ... or something like that.

And about what you said - I could not agree more.

The Sumerians did not expressly say "Lucifer is our creator," but tracing their beliefs into modern times, that is the gist of it. But it is not only the Sumerians from whom I have learned this information. It is also taught by the Occult/Mystery schools, or at least the ones I am familiar with. Why this remains so much a "secret", I do not know.

posted November 24, 2002 06:02 PM         

I also believe that much of the serpent symbology is indicative of the double helix of our DNA, among other things.

posted November 24, 2002 06:03 PM         

Regarding the happenings written about Nahtan in Star Signs was Linda at all graphic about how Nahtan acted, spoke or behave or did she tell you anything more significantly about Nahtan, like in conversation did she fill out the full story about all her contacts with him or did she tell you the pr version.

posted November 24, 2002 07:47 PM         

I am glad you brought up the DNA double helix. Yes, that is exactly what I believe and I finished reading Z.Sitchin's latest book The Lost Book of Enki. It is in Enki's own words and the information is from one of the clay tablets. It is about the process of manipulating the DNA strands to make the "Adam" and how one of the Anunnaki females Ninmah, sister of Enki, spouse of Ninki, had the fertilized ovum placed in her womb and gave birth to the perfected Earthling Adam. Now all these names in the Sumerian legend also correspond to the Egyptian stories. But, the main thing, the wisdom of the serpent actually refers to the manipulation of the gene. And isn't that what Genesis in the Bible is actually, a tale of genes. The "wisdom" is in the genetic code, the strand of DNA with it's double "snake" helix. All the names of the characters in the supposed myth are actually the names of the Annunki scientists who used their technology to manipulate the gene and perfect the "Adam" earthling. And the tree of knowledge, Qabala, is simply the DNA code.

Jakie, yes, it is all about gaining knowledge, but it was coded symbolically and that is how I see darkness and light, as the "not knowing" and the "knowing".

posted November 24, 2002 08:04 PM           

So I'm sort of scattered and don't really know what to focus on because I want to think of everything at once... so I end up not really knowing what to say!

posted November 24, 2002 09:09 PM         

I hope that isn't too enigmatic or cliche, I am just commenting on what is occuring before our very eyes

posted November 25, 2002 12:35 AM         

Juniper: No, Set/Typhon is NOT one of the good serpents. At least not in Linda's cosmology. We aren't sure that he HAS repented yet...

The good Serpents were Twin Soul children of Isis and Osiris, but one of them is NOT Horus. They took on a mission and left Earth, and in their travels encountered Set and Nephthys. When Set and Nephthys came to Earth, they changed their names according to Linda... and became Adam and Eve.

Ra and Donna: DNA!! Very Interesting!! DNA and the double helix... did Linda ever describe how mating occurred prior to the time when MAN had testes and FEMALE had uterus? It has to do with a certain letter of the alphabet that she referred to as "the tantric sex ___" (fill in the blank).

Donna: the Lexigram of GENESIS is very interesting also in this regard.

This all brings to mind the Kundalini force, coiled about the base of the spine at the Root or 1st chakra. There are two pathways that coil, in serpentine fashion, about the spinal column (and so about the other chakras) called Ida and Pingala through which the Kundalini flows when it has been raised. Kundalini has been called the Serpent Force. Very interesting!!

So many of these things are lexigram-able, and when understood play a part in Linda's view of the Creation.

Again, not trying to be cryptic, but trying to add more fuel to the Spiraling. Remember, all things at their allotted time. So much groundwork has to be in place.. this is part of the reason Linda wrote things in a particular order. Layers upon layers of groundings and initiations that will eventually lead to knowledge and truth.

Booster: I feel as though you have a direct question that you want answered but that you are circling about in getting the information. Do you have anything in Cancer? What do you REALLY want to know? And further.. again I think you are making too much an issue of the medium and not the message. Perhaps I am misreading.

Hope this helps some...

posted November 25, 2002 01:07 AM         

Do Set and Nepthys incarnate as particular signs also? If they are "enemies" are they a Libra and an Aquarian?? Or Pisces and Cancer???

posted November 25, 2002 01:32 AM         

Linda did believe that Isis was always an Aries and Osiris always a Leo. She never mentioned to me if Set/Nephthys always incarnated under a particular set of signs.

I think Horus is symbolically linked to Scorpio, but I don't think Linda ever specified that.

Personally, I'm not convinced that Evolution would be served by constantly incarnating under the same signs, but I'm also not convinced that TIME is linear. Nor am I the final word on what would serve Evolution.

Interesting question though!

posted November 25, 2002 02:20 AM         

Yes, I was thinking of the Kundalini in relation to the DNA besides the spine and the chakras. That leads me to the Caduceus and it's symbology regarding Hermes/Thoth and how it relates to the Kundalini and the DNA double helix. All related in my mind, which brought me to the Ouroboros , another serpent. This having to do with eternity and creation. And this leads me back to the genetic code, or wisdom of creation and well, you can see, my mind keeps going in circles.

Donna

PS Serpent lexies into present (meaning gift as opposed to the "here and now") like a gift of knowledge or wisdom.

PPS some links I've been reading:

Some esoteric notes on Seth and Serpent, interesing, starting out with something by Manley P. Hall
http://bcornet2.homestead.com/files/esoSeth.htm

posted November 25, 2002 03:15 AM         

I've been working on the 14 pieces of Osiris for many years.. and that link answered one of my many questions!!! I could never make em come out right!

Interestingly enough, the number 15 is pictured in the Chaldean Tarot as TYPHON a.k.a. SET(h)! Or Exoterically, the card numbered 15 in the higher arcana is The Devil. And Devil has always been a fascinating Lexigram!

I bookmarked that page for future work! Again, many thanks! So much food for thought! What great spiraling that is sure to foster!!

As Linda said, you can look at a Lexigram over and over again.. and miss something obvious! I hadn't yet seen PRESENT in SERPENT. Proving once again, no matter how much we think we KNOW, there's always another perspective!

Gotta love God and Her interesting sense of humor!

Any day I learn something new is a good day.. so this must be a great one!

Thanks again and Bright Blessings...