posted April 04, 2003 04:36 PM            

Aphrodite, I thought I'd start this thread so that we wouldn't be "budinskis" on the Arthurian Tarot thread.

You asked what I thought about the missing planetary rulers, so here goes. Here's the beginnings of an atricle or book chapter that I'm working on to discuss my thoughts on the matter.

First let it be said that I do believe that Linda was 100% on target that Vulcan will rule Virgo. But I think this article will show you why I feel that it is Libra and not Taurus that is missing her true ruler.

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The Inconjunct or quincunx is possibly the most puzzling and disturbing of all the aspect patterns we have to deal with in Astrology, traditional or otherwise. Why is this so? So much has been written about it, yet nothing seems to come to the crux of the matter. Is it a major or minor aspect? Is its nature slightly benefic or slightly malefic? Should it be used or discarded in traditional astrology, particularly Horary? Or is there something deeper to this aspect, something hidden? Is it possibly the key to unlocking a new (or possibly Lost) system of Sign Rulerships? I’m not sure I can answer all of these questions, but I do promise to provide some food for thought, and perhaps those wiser than I can find the answers I have so long sought.

For our purposes we will call the Inconjunct the 150° aspect, and discard the connection with the semi-sextile (30° aspect), which was also called an Inconjunct in older texts. Of course after you follow the pattern I’m proposing, the relationship between these two aspects will be obvious.

In order to gain a deeper understanding of this aspect; let’s look at the nature of its placement by house. Why do I emphasize the word deeper? Well, the Inconjunct may be considered a 6th house – 8th house aspect in relation to the Ascendant, and as such is related to matters often hidden or concealed. People, as a rule, tend to conceal their weaknesses, physical (6th house) and otherwise (8th house). Modern astrologers view the 8th as a house of depth, often connected with the occult (which merely means hidden) and psychic functioning, among other things. It’s interesting to note that both of these houses are concerned with sickness, disease (6th) and surgery (8th). Interestingly, planets Inconjunct show irritation (the suggested key-word for this aspect), that if left unchecked can affect the health (1st house – 6th house) and which further ignored can lead to surgery (8th) or possibly even death (8th house). In this regard, both of these houses attack the Ascendant (physical well being) in a manner somewhat less obviously (and dare I say, more insidiously?) than the Opposition (1st house - 7th house aspect), but note the oppositions placement between the 6th and 8th houses. Does this infer that if the matter comes to resolution or balance (7th) the need for the 8th house conclusion may be averted? One can gain a great appreciation for all of the aspects by examining them in a similar manner. Traditional Astrologers, note the 7th house rulership of the Physician. But I digress.

The attempt to solve the question about its importance in the hierarchy of aspects, major or minor, is a bit more time consuming, but I think particularly interesting. Each aspect pattern may be drawn on a blank horoscope wheel, and will, with one exception, create a closed pattern that will only include particular signs in a repeating loop, yet never completely cover the entire zodiac. Here I will show 3 such patterns, at your leisure you may be interested in drawing them all. It’s very informative, especially when considered as star patterns, but that could be a discussion entire unto itself. For example: the Trine aspect of 120° creates 4 separate triangles, but each triangle will only lead you to the signs within a particular Element, (see diagram 1) Fire, Earth, Air and Water.

In diagram 2, you will note the Square aspect pattern of 90°. Again, we have three separate squares, but each will only lead you to the signs of the same Modality: Cardinal, Fixed and Mutable. I have included diagram 3 for chuckles, the Opposition aspect of 180°. This one never goes anywhere but from point A to point B; much like the argument about which house system is best! Ya can’t get they-ah from hey-ah! (To be read in your best Maine accent)

Which leads us to the one pattern that touches every sign in the zodiac before repeating itself ad nauseum. Diagram 4 shows the Inconjunct aspect pattern of 150°. I take no credit for this discovery; I owe the inspiration for this material to Master Astrologer Steve Chiperas of South Attleboro, MA.

After having viewed this pattern, how could one consider the Inconjunct as anything less than a Major Aspect? It does what no other aspect pattern can: it connects the entire zodiac

Long pause... interesting, is it not? But let’s take this pattern one step further. Take a deep breath folks, this one enters some pretty murky esoteric waters. Get a wet suit and let’s dive in!

If we look at diagram 5, we shall see a new view of Sign Rulerships, based on the Inconjunct aspect pattern and an alternating pattern of Rulerships and Detriments. I’m not making this stuff up here, folks, I’m just pointing it out, and following it to its logical conclusion. Best to follow this one closely, describing it in words looks a horrible mess, but here goes!

Starting with Leo, the sign Ruled by the Sun, which, numerologically speaking, happens to be the planet associated with the number 1, we follow the Inconjunct to Capricorn, 150° away. This sign is the Detriment of the Moon. If that is the case then the Moon must Rule Cancer, yes? Yes!

Following our 150° Inconjunct aspect, we go to Gemini, which is ruled by Mercury. No arguments there?! So we trace the line from Gemini 150° away, to Scorpio which is the Detriment of Venus. If Venus is in her Detriment in Scorpio she must Rule Taurus. So far so good.

Moving along 150° from Scorpio, we arrive at Aries, which is ruled by Mars. “Elementary”, you say, and so we continue. 150° from Aries, brings us to Virgo in which sign Jupiter finds his Detriment, if this is so, Jupiter Rules Pisces, as the ancients believed.

Racing 150° from Virgo we find Aquarius, which is ruled by Saturn. And so we continue 150° from Aquarius, which brings us to Cancer. If we follow our pattern from the Sun outward in order, which we have been doing, then Cancer should be the Detriment of Uranus. (here I take a deep breath and forge ahead!) If this is so, then Uranus should be the Ruler of Capricorn! Pause for thought, speculation and a Coke! “Hmm, I don’t think that’s right”, you may be thinking, but please bear with me a few more moments.

This is really where the fun begins. If we go 150° from Cancer we reach Sagittarius. Our last position showed the Detriment of Uranus, so following our pattern, we find in Sagittarius the Rulership of Neptune. All I can suggest at this point is some deep reflection, and meditation on what we know of the natures of the Planets and Signs. Granted this may upset the applecart, but sometimes that is a good thing, no?

Back to the pattern: 150° from Sagittarius brings us now to Taurus. Last sign was a Rulership, so in Taurus we will find the Detriment of Pluto. Well at least this makes sense to the Modern Astrologers... if Pluto is Detrimented in Taurus, it must Rule Scorpio, true? True.

Moving right along, we go 150° from Taurus to Libra. If Taurus showed a Detriment, Libra should be the Rulership sign of the next planet in the scheme. Oh... we seem to be out of planets… what to do? Many astrologers feel that there should be a one to one Rulership correspondence between planets and signs. I am among that number, as was one of my Teachers, Linda Goodman. We share the view that Virgo is missing its true ruler. Linda was of the opinion that Taurus was not ruled by Venus, but rather by a missing planet she called Pan-Horus. I humbly will have to disagree with her, as per our pattern, I believe that it is Libra whose true ruler is as yet undiscovered (re-discovered?) For now I’ll designate it as Planet X, but I propose that it should be called Minerva. Minerva is the ancient Roman goddess of wisdom, invention, the arts and martial prowess. Martial prowess. (Oliver North, Dwight D. Eisenhower were both solar Librans) Surely no one will dispute the artistic influence of Libra?

150° from Libra brings us to Pisces, which according to our pattern will be the Detriment of Unknown Planet Y. (Y, because we like you!) Well at least some of us have speculated about this planet for a few years, we’ll call him Vulcan, God of the Forge. If Vulcan finds his Detriment in Pisces, he must, according to our pattern, Rule Virgo. Now that at least makes sense, you say, Vulcan was a Master Craftsman, and as we all know, Virgo is the sign of perfected works. Finally we traverse from Pisces back to our starting point in Leo and the pattern begins again.

One final note of interest (at least to me) is that when read clockwise from the starting point in Leo, the planetary rulerships may be read as follows: Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto, Minerva or Planet X, and finally Vulcan or Planet Y which brings us back to the Sun ruling Leo. Does this not trace the order of the celestial bodies that we have been taught from grade school?

I can only defend myself in this new scheme by saying I’m sorry... it’s just what appears to be logical to this author based upon what we KNOW that we KNOW. As I said in the beginning, I didn’t promise any answers, just a little food for thought, and hopefully a little education and entertainment along the way.

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posted April 04, 2003 04:40 PM            

Now, that being said... I didn't enclose the diagrams, becaue I don't have them scanned.

As to the alternate rulerships I propose, remember, these are esoteric, and need to be though about; I'm not expecting everyone to abandon the current system... but with a little thought and reflection, these alternates make sense, at least to my way of thinking.

Hope this provides a little food for thought and some mental/spiritual spiraling.

Bright Blessings...
A

posted April 06, 2003 01:45 PM            

From your mouth to God's ears!

You shall have it... if indeed there is an "it" for you to have!

posted April 06, 2003 08:34 PM            

Well I hadn't thought of it in that light before, but it wouild make sense that if the sign rulerships were altered, the number allocations might be too.

There is one system that was proposed by Carl Payne Tobey, to start the Signs with Leo being number 1. I haven't been able to find any of his published works, but I'd be interested in learning more about his reasoning.

Good spiraling there!

Blessings...
A

posted April 08, 2003 06:17 PM              

Thank you so much for sharing a part of your book-in-progress. I do understand it conceptually, but am having a hard time drawing the diagrams onto paper. (I have several chart diagrams in front of me, and little scribble notes everywhere).

Makes good sense!

Will get back to you once I have it stone cold onto paper and I can see it all. (I have Saturn in Virgo in the 3rd House, no aspects. Go figure )

posted April 08, 2003 06:28 PM              

Be back soon.

posted April 09, 2003 01:56 AM              

I got it! Very, very deep theory Sir/Madame (I do not know your gender). Ingenious! I am amazed.

I drew 6 diagrams and was able to connect it all and jotted a few notes as a synopsis. Would you look it over and correct a few things, if necessary? I would really appreciate it. (I would scan and post my notebook, but I haven't got a scanner, sorry!)

Inconjunct: 150 degree aspect; connects the entire zodiac

New view on sign rulership based on inconjunct aspect pattern and alternating pattern of Rulerships and Detriments.

Inconjunct patterning begins on the cusp of the 5th house, symbolized by the sign Leo, and planet Sun. Sun begins the zodiac, followed by known planets in their order of: Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto. Count every 30 degrees until reaching the cusp of the next house at 150 degrees.

Sets of Inconjuncts:

(A)
Leo/Sun: Rulership
Capricorn/Moon: Detriment; Moon rules opposite sign Cancer

(B)
Gemini/Mercury: Rulership
Scorpio/Venus: Detriment; Venus rules opposite sign Taurus

(C)
Aries/Mars: Rulership
Virgo/Jupiter: Detriment; Jupiter rules opposite sign Pisces

(D)
Aquarius/Saturn: Rulership
Cancer/Uranus: Detriment; Uranus rules opposite sign Capricorn

(E)
Saggitarius/Neptune: Rulership
Taurus/Pluto: Detriment; Pluto rules opposite sign Scorpio

(F)
Libra/Planet X: Rulership (Possibly Minerva)
Pisces/Planet Y: Detriment; Planet Y rules Virgo (Possibly Vulcan)

Aphrodite

P.S. I keep getting a double helix picture in my mind. I guess that will come later.

posted April 09, 2003 09:48 AM            

Aphrodite... you got it! I don't see that you missed the point anywhere.

As I say, I can't prove it.. but it "makes sense", much the same as the old traditional rulerships, before Uranus, Neptune and Pluto.

I'll try to scan the sketches I made if you think that will help. But I think that since you drew them by hand, you'll comprehend it so much the better. As Nahtan used to say to Linda... people will learn nothing if you do their spiraling for them... or words to that effect!

I know that it upsets the applecart, switching the rulerships... but if you really meditate on some of them, you may be surprised and pleased at what you discover. It's a whole new way of looking at an old, old science.

Bright Blessings...
A

By the way, I am a sir!

posted April 09, 2003 02:14 PM              

The pattern begins with the Sun, and the Inner Planets, and proceeds towards the outer-planets. According to this theory, would Planets X and Y for Libra and Virgo be outer-planets as well?

I am going to read Carlo's interpretation of Vulcan and see what he says.

Cheers,

posted April 09, 2003 03:26 PM            

It would make sense that in that case, Minerva and Vulcan would be transplutonian.

Some people believe that Mercury is so near the Sun that we haven't seen it yet, but I'm not so sure about that theory.

Supposedly there have even been sigtings of an intermercurial planet, but I think if that were the case, with the technology we have now, we'd be able to see it.

Of course, I may be wrong.

What do you think?

Blessings...
A

posted April 14, 2003 03:27 AM              

What about keeping an eye on Jupiter? Would some moons, like Europa, that might harbour life, be considered planets, or must they have a solar orbit to qualify? The Galileo probe findings are still being studied, and about 10 days ago, about 11 more moons were discovered-- bringing the number of Jupiterian moons up to 59.

Hats off!

posted April 14, 2003 04:38 PM            

Right on Lunagirl. As Pythagoras has said:

Omnia in numeris sita sunt.

"Everything lies veiled in numbers".

I find it intriguing to draw out all the possible star patterns on blank horoscope wheels, and meditate upon them. This can be a very informative, if not enlightening, mental exercise.

Peace...
A

posted April 15, 2003 05:03 AM            

I think Venus being true ruler of Taurus makes alot of sense considering it's an earthy planet..it should rule an earthy sign.

Uranus ruling Capricorn??? Sagittarius at home within the mists of Neptune?? It will take me some time to wrap my mind around that.. The logic does seem quite sound, though.

posted April 15, 2003 07:21 AM            

When was Uranus discovered?

During the revolution in technology that has been called the Industrial Age?

What sign was it in? Capricorn.

Go ahead... look it up, then tell me if you are still laughing.

Bright Blessings...
A

posted April 15, 2003 02:44 PM            

I wasn't laughing at the new rulerships, I was chuckling at my silly little inside joke about my apples being on the floor with my house systems. So many of my previously held beliefs on astrology are in upheaval since hanging around here at LL. But that's a good thing. I love learning new things, I'm a typical in that sense..
It's not as hard for me to accept the Uranus/Cappy connection in some ways because of Saturn's ancient rulership of Aquarius. So there's some overlap there between the two signs..
Now, I know there's the same thing between Pisces/Sag with Jupiter but for some reason I'm having trouble with Neptune ruling Sagittarius. But I have had a night to sleep on it and it's easier to see it this morning than it was last night.

Sagittarius has had the characteristic of having powerful intuition and potentially psychic visions so in that way, it would make sense for Neptune to rule that. But I suppose I'm having more difficulty with Neptune being known for deception and then Sag is fixated on truth.

I'll need some time to let this roll around in my brain..I'll meditate on it.

posted December 06, 2003 10:17 PM              

Omnia in numeris sita sunt.

"Everything lies veiled in numbers".

I find it intriguing to draw out all the possible star patterns on blank horoscope wheels, and meditate upon them. This can be a very informative, if not enlightening, mental exercise.

posted December 07, 2003 03:20 AM            

And thanks for dredging this thread up from the murky depths.

It really wasn't meant as a cryptic statement so much as a comment on the practical magic of drawing out the star patterns I was describing, and meditating on them. They are based on divisions of the 360 degree circle by whole numbers.

360/2 = 180.....Opposition
360/3 = 120.....Trine
360/4 = 90.....Square
360/5 = 72.....Quintile
360/6 = 60.....Sextile
360/7 = 51.428571 repeating...Septile
360=8 = 45.....Semisquare
360/9 = 40.....??
360/10 = 36.....Decile
360/11 = 32.72 repeating...??
360/12 = 30.....Semisextile

I stop at 12 as there are 12 signs in the zodiac that create the Circle of Life. So if we draw a star pattern using each of these numbers, we will see, intuit and spiral on some of the mysteries of the Universe, that are generally revealed or concealed by numbers. "Omnia in numeris sita sunt."

Maybe this helps a little? Or maybe it is only a wee bit of esoteric food for thought!?

Bright Blessings...
A

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