posted May 12, 2003 11:27 AM         

Wow... this topic is pretty hard to wrap my mind around without warping it!

Did you notice that WRAP and WARP are the same word? Perhaps the druids are trying to tell us that in order to understand this concept we must be a bit "out of our minds" so to speak.!

We say that time is not linear... so then, is it circular or perhaps spiral patterned? Perhaps it's like a ball of string that God holds in His/Her hands... She can see the big picture at all times, but we, who are tangled up in it, or WRAPped up in it, see it only as linear? When we try to WRAP our minds around both of the subjects (Time and God).. our thoughts become WARPed in some fashion, because we have only our limited perspective.

Hard topics both, I think... someone mentioned our Higher Selves... are they ready to hear that there really is ONLY ONE Higher Self, and that is God? We are not separate beings at all, but infinite manifestations of a SINGLE Being... God again... or at least what I have been given to understand that we are... or God is!

As there is only one mind with many millions of thoughts... and one body with many millions of cells... So are we aspects of God.

In terms of Time.. as I say, I think it is an illusion, created to give us a meaningful way to arrange and organize our experiences. So, is it possible to recognize it as such, and thus Master Time... Yes!

Babbling again... but I think I'm being as clear as I can be in a short post about the nature of both God and Time.

Make any sense? I hope so. Spiral on!

posted May 12, 2003 02:24 PM         

It takes a moment to grasp that, but if you focus in on the concept of Light and Energy being the source, you soon realize that (going backwards or forwards) souls will group, twin, and "flame" toward the original source.... hmmm, maybe that's not a very good explanation... but I do kNOW that at the core it is pure energy (light). Which explains well how "one" person could occupy so many places or bodies in time. Light disperses easily. Quite a warp there!

Star & Randall : Great Q & A.

I agree that alternate realities exist... as I've said, we get hints... maybe deja vu or as Randall said, forgetfulness that we think is just our own shortcoming.... also, things can appear out of nowhere... like objects or answers. These things are most likely happening as a result of alternate realities. The Sixth Sense was a good movie that demonstrated an alternate reality-type situation. It can be difficult to grasp and you must approach it abstractly at first I suppose. Then you can apply rationality to explain it....

posted May 12, 2003 02:27 PM         

Please ask.... we should spiral as much as we can

posted May 12, 2003 05:55 PM         

Jesus said, we are the childen of the Mother and Father of the Universe. I believe we contain our own individuality (snow-flakes), and our own sense of being (emotions-memory).

Yes, you can say that we're all blobs of light, attached to our Mother and Father, and we are all brothers and sisters. But it's our responsibilty, to grow and evolve our child-like Spirit, into a new Mother and Father of our own Universe.

You're Spirit is but a child growing up in a parent's home. We're not here, to fuse like a blob with God. We are here to become like God.

Sooner or later, your Spirit will no longer be a child, and will decide to make its own home, its own Universe. But before this, you will seed life on other planets, just like Isis and Osiris, or Adam and Eve. (Twin Flames)

Yes, I said it, every single one of us will be able to own, our very own Universe, and of course with our very own children.

So you see, Ra was once a little spirit like you.
Just think, his father is our grandfather.
I'm such a loony bird.

Love is the almighty, he is above and below, he is higher and he is lower, he was never born and he will never die. Love goes on and on and on!

This is my spiral,

posted May 12, 2003 07:25 PM         

At the end you say: "Love is the almighty, he is above and below, he is higher and he is lower, he was never born and he will never die..."

Were you saying you think love is a "he"? Or was that just used as a general noun for the entity of love?

posted May 12, 2003 08:32 PM         

Generally, maybe!

But then I think of Linda's idea of she is Light.

I was talking about the entity that is the source of everything that exists.

The last thing I want to do, is get gender biased. So I'm really not sure.

-StarLover

posted May 13, 2003 07:34 PM         

I am glad that you found your own answer to this mystery... See, you didn't need my input at all.

Thus it is with any Teacher... their job is to hold up a mirror so that we may see... OurSelves. Once that task has been performed, the Teacher is no longer required, for when we know who we truly are, we are able to discover our own answers and Truths.

That being said, it leads me to wonder... if we all become so many Gods of our own so many universes, in whom do we live and move and have our being? In other words, if we each have our own universe, with its infinite number of worlds and peoples, there must be a place (or a dimension, if you will) for this to occur... and in my mind, if such a place (or dimension) exists, it must exist within the beingness (or totality) of the ONE Creator. Would that being still not be what I am referring to when I say God?

Just a thought...

Blessed Be...

A

posted May 13, 2003 10:11 PM         

At this moment, am I existing in all my lifetimes, or does my Spirit shut the others out, to focus on only one life at a time?

posted May 14, 2003 02:56 PM         

Since I have no Twin Flame, then right now my Spirit is only one half of its true nature, correct? But actually it's not, becuase the Eternal Now would say, I already have him.

posted May 17, 2003 03:54 AM         

Mind boggling indeed.

I think it becomes much simpler to wrap the mind around the concept of us all being GOD, manifesting in various and sundry aspects in millions of planes and dimensions.

The problem comes in when the Ego refuses to let go of its hold on us, trapping us in the illusion of separation. The job of the Ego is to make us believe that we are different... that we are each an individual. And in its way, it is right... to a point.

Its error is that it thinks that it can accomplish things of its own will, without understanding that it is only a manifestaion of the ONE WILL, or God. Even Jesus, the Master Teacher, said that of himself he could accomplish nothing, but it is the Will of the Father working through him that manifests the miracles. (I and the Father are one? )

It is this illusion of separateness that makes us feel helpless, hopeless, lost and grounded, ever seeking to find someone or something to complete us.

The romantics will call it the Soul Mate or Twin Flame... the Qabalist or practical occultist (or Spiritual Alchemist if you prefer), will call it the Primal Will, which is but another way of saying God.

Soul Mates, Twin Flames and assorted Soul pieces later... we all seem to be saying that at some point, we come back to the ONE Self. God or the Higher Self? A rose by any other name...

In L.V.X. Eternal...
A

posted May 17, 2003 09:55 AM         

Totality of government never ever works, and yet you're saying that we are totality of one Higher Self? Everything I've ever read has told me that GOD works inside the self, and not outside the self, telling a mass of people, what to believe in is wrong, and believing in your own heart is the only way to be.

That is why the Catholic Church is very bad, anyone who thinks hard enough will know, that the hiarchy is trying to control it's believers. That it's trying to force one right way. That is the feeling I get when you say totality.

We need our own individuality for these kinds of things, because if we didn't, we would be manipulated by other peoples own ends.

The Ego sees things in two ways only, you're either the best or the worst, the victim or the aggressor, the good guy or your the bad guy. The Ego was created becuase of other people being influenced by other people.

Unless you explain otherwise, I don't like your idealogy, becuase it makes me think that when the point comes, we're just going to fuse into a big blob of energy, and then lose all emotions, and memories becuase we are the totality of one Higher Self. Besides serving others, we will be done, and I don't like the idea of ever being done. Thats why an actual misty beautiful place, with golden gates called Heaven, sounds boring to me.

What is the point of being here, if that is the end of our road, we should have never left to forget in the first place.

But truth is truth, and that is what we are all trying hard to find, truth is what will bring us all back to God. But what do we do after we become God?

That is why I like the idea of being able to then create our own Universe, or be the seeders of another planet in our Father's Universe, becuase then our reason for growing never ends.

Is that the Ego talking or the Truth? Even as a Pisces it's hard to tell the difference.
We are all responsible for our own Ego, therefore we are individual in a sense.

Who decides my own path but my Higher Self, yes I am one with God, God is me, I am God, but that doesn't mean I am at one with everyone else. People need to find their own separate way to be at Oneness with God. I don't believe God has the same exact relationship (oneness) with everyone here, therefore once again we are not the same.

I used to believe that fate and destiny were already determined, but now I completly disagree.

posted May 17, 2003 11:54 AM         

I sense some hostility in your criticism of the Catholic Church... have you been somehow betrayed or battered by Catholicism at some point? I know many people have been guilted by the Church in its attempts to control its members, but I think that you must realize that for some people, the Church is thier only connection to God. (I know, this isn't TRUE, but they don't think outside the box, so they are limited in their belief...)

I don't believe that there is only ONE WAY.. but I do believe that there is only ONE Self, and that is God. Now, is that one Self ever going to stop changing and growing and evolving? I don't think so. Is there a boring Heaven with mists and harps? I don'tknow... I suppose if I chose that experience then there would be... until I chose another experience.

These are hard concepts to put into words, once you label it, it becomes something that it was never meant to, as God is limitless, boundless, the All and the nothing, the Universe and the space that holds the Universe...it's all God.

I think that in saying we all have but one Higher Self you may have inferred that there is no growth and no evolution. But WE, human, spirits if you will, made of God stuff (and therefore God) can only know ourselves as God intellectually, until we know it experientially. How do we know it experientially... by forgetting that we are God, believing in fact that we are NOT, and then going out into physical manifestation, (on whichever planet or dimension we chosse) to actually HAVE experiences.

It is a trap of the Ego to think that there is something better out there than being at ONE.

Here is a translation of a 16th century Celtic prayer that may help a wee bit...

I am The Wind

When the Master said to them
"I am with you always and everywhere,"
They questioned Him;
But how shall we know you?
When shall we see you?
How shall we recognize you?
Where shall we look for you?
And he answered them

"I am the wind
Breathing over the sea.
I am the wave
Running across the ocean.
I am the trees
Hear me whispering in the leaves.
I am the sun
Feel my warmth on your face.
I am the moon and the stars
See me shine through the darkness.
I am the ox, I am strong.
I am the deer, I am agile.
I am the salmon, I am swift.
I am the wild boar, I am brave.
I am the might of the tallest oak
I am the heart of the smallest flower
And remember I am in all things
and all things are in me."

Yes these concepts are hard to describe, but I think they bear some thought and deep meditation. Perhaps I am wrong... won't be the first time!

And now I will leave you with another Irish blessing:

May the blessing of Light be upon you,
Light on the outside
Light on the inside.

With God's sunlight shining on you,
May your heart glow with warmth
Like a turf fire that welcomes friends and
strangers alike.

May the Light of the Lord shine from your eyes
Like a candle in the window
Welcoming the weary traveler.

May the blessing of God's soft rain be on you
Falling gently on your head, refreshing your soul
With the sweetness of little flowers newly blooming.
May the strength of the winds of Heaven bless you
Carrying the rain to wash your spirit clean,
Sparkling after in the sunlight.
May the blessing of God's earth be on you,
And as you walk the roads
May you always have a kind word
for those you meet.

May you understand the strength
and Power of God
In a thunderstorm in Winter.
And the quiet beauty of creation
In the calm of a Summer sunset.
And may you come to realize that,
insignificant as you may seem
in this great Universe,
You are an important part of God's plan.
May He watch over you and keep you safe from harm.

A

posted May 17, 2003 12:43 PM         

But anyway...
We are both right, but what do we do by being ONE with God? What are we made to be doing exactly? Am I wrong in saying that we can create our own Universe, or that we seed life on other planets like Linda had believed? Can we not be creators of our own? Do we not have Twin Flames?

posted May 17, 2003 12:57 PM         

I know I'm being redundant and repetitive, but I'm trying to get into your wavelength.

But in the lost gospel, he also said that the ALMIGHTY manifested the Mother and Father, and they manifested what we see before us. The Mother and Father manifested us, but the Almighty created everything, the almighty is us all. Am I right?

posted May 17, 2003 01:16 PM         

After rereading this a million times over, I realized, oh yeah thats right!

That being said, it leads me to wonder... if we all become so many Gods of our own so many universes, in whom do we live and move and have our being? In other words, if we each have our own universe, with its infinite number of worlds and peoples, there must be a place (or a dimension, if you will) for this to occur... and in my mind, if such a place (or dimension) exists, it must exist within the beingness (or totality) of the ONE Creator. Would that being still not be what I am referring to when I say God?