posted June 18, 2003 04:05 AM         

Here are the correspondences that I use for Tarot and Astrology. They are based on the teachings of The Golden Dawn, and further elucidated by Dr. Paul Foster Case, founder of B.O.T.A. (Builders of the Adytum) a mystery school that teaches Tarot, Qabalah, Esoteric Astrology and Spiritual Alchemy.

There are other attributions out there, but I'm only posting the ones that have worked for me in my experience. If you have others that you prefer, by all means use them; even post them... there's always room for growth and mind expansion!

The Higher Arcana

0 - The Fool.................Uranus, Air
1 - The Magician.............Mercury
2 - The High Priestess.......The Moon
3 - The Empress..............Venus
4 - The Emperor..............Aries
5 - The Hierophant...........Taurus
6 - The Lovers...............Gemini
7 - The Chariot..............Cancer
8 - Strength.................Leo
9 - The Hermit...............Virgo
10 - The Wheel of Fortune....Jupiter
11 - Justice.................Libra
12 - The Hanged Man..........Neptune, Water
13 - Death...................Scorpio
14 - Temperance..............Sagittarius
15 - The Devil...............Capricorn
16 - The Tower...............Mars
17 - The Star................Aquarius
18 - The Moon................Pisces
19 - The Sun.................The Sun
20 - Judgment................Pluto, Fire
21 - The World...............Saturn

The Lower Arcana

Ace of Wands: Fire
II Wands: Mars in Aries
III Wands: Sun in Aries
IV Wands: Venus in Aries
V Wands: Saturn in Leo
VI Wands: Jupiter in Leo
VII Wands: Mars in Leo
VIII Wands: Mercury in Sagittarius
IX Wands: Moon in Sagittarius
X Wands: Saturn in Sagittarius
Page of Wands: Spring
Knight of Wands: Mutable Fire (Sagittarius)
Queen of Wands: Fixed Fire (Leo)
King of Wands: Cardinal Fire (Aries)

Ace of Pentacles: Earth
II Pentacles: Jupiter in Capricorn
III Pentacles: Mars in Capricorn
IV Pentacles: Sun in Capricorn
V Pentacles: Mercury in Taurus
VI Pentacles: Moon in Taurus
VII Pentacles: Saturn in Taurus
VIII Pentacles: Sun in Virgo
IX Pentacles: Venus in Virgo
X Pentacles: Mercury in Virgo
Page of Pentacles: Winter
Knight of Pentacles: Mutable Earth (Virgo)
Queen of Pentacles: Fixed Earth (Taurus)
King of Pentacles: Cardinal Earth (Capricorn)

Ace of Swords: Air
II Swords: Moon in Libra
III Swords: Saturn in Libra
IV Swords: Jupiter in Libra
V Swords: Venus in Aquarius
VI Swords: Mercury in Aquarius
VII Swords: Moon in Aquarius
VIII Swords: Jupiter in Gemini
IX Swords: Mars in Gemini
X Swords: Sun in Gemini
Page of Swords: Fall
Knight of Swords: Mutable Air (Gemini)
Queen of Swords: Fixed Air (Aquarius)
King of Swords: Cardinal Air (Libra)

Ace of Cups: Water
II Cups: Venus in Cancer
III Cups: Mercury in Cancer
IV Cups: Moon in Cancer
V Cups: Mars in Scorpio
VI Cups: Sun in Scorpio
VII Cups: Venus in Scorpio
VIII Cups: Saturn in Pisces
IX Cups: Jupiter in Pisces
X Cups: Mars in Pisces
Page of Cups: Summer
Knight of Cups: Mutable Water (Pisces)
Queen of Cups: Fixed Water (Scorpio)
King of Cups: Cardinal Water (Cancer)

posted June 18, 2003 03:40 PM         

Finaly, some one else who has a familiarity with both Crowleys THOTH and the Golden Dawn order.
Most peaple Ive come acrost who do practice Tarot are only familyar with "Gypsie" decks and more fortune telling uses.

O.k.- I have a theory that Im not at all sure would be accurate. What would be tyour opinion on using the THOTH to determain whose seed lies within a womens womb? Since the posabilities are my own or one other mans seed I was thinking of just trying a single card draw.

Ive invented single card draws for other sorts of inquireies in the past, mostly Ive had accurate results.

If you dont think a single card draw would be best for this then what else if anything would you sugest for the greatest acuracy to such a question?

posted June 18, 2003 05:37 PM         

Shawn... I'm not very familiar with the Toth deck, the one time I used it I got a headache, but I was also trying to translate its imagery for a deck that I knew better... very exhausting!

In terms of your particular question, I'd probably use a 3, 5 or 7 card YES/NO type spread asking the question, "is this my baby?".

In that method the center card is 2 points and all others are one point. Right side up = YES, Reversed = NO. An equal balance of YES/NO would be a maybe.

I don't think it would hold up in a court of Law though!

I wish you the best, and the answer you hope for to be the reality.

Blessed Be...
A

posted June 19, 2003 10:45 AM         

No problemo. Wish I could take credit for the work. All I can do is pass along what I have been taught, and what seems to be valid in my experience.

Hope it helps...

Blessings...
A

posted September 22, 2003 03:19 PM         

Funny how Strength has always been a card that I found "cozy". Now knowing that it's connected to my sun sign, it might explain it

Or maybe I just connected it to Leo because of the Lion, and never realised that

posted September 23, 2003 03:12 AM         

Sabah...

We are doing an online Tarot class here. See The Links: Getting Started and The Magician in this Forum, that should get you off to a good start. It's been sort of quiet lately as I have been working quite a bit, I'll be vacationing in Hawaii in October, so have to save those pennies!

SerenityRose...

Yes, right on! The Lion is in the Strength card because it is the card attributed to Leo.

And Justice is Card 11 and is the Libra Card because it has the Scales, and 11 is the MIDPOINT of the 22 Higher Arcana, but more on that later. (I only mention it as some decks reverse these two cards, and that reversal is incorrect and a blind to the uniformed Seeker.)

Peace and Light...
A

posted September 23, 2003 09:45 PM         

Justice. It's a card I have problems with whenever it comes to a reading. That and Temperance. But that would be a subject to a whole different thread

Thanks for the warm welcome!

posted October 08, 2003 03:13 AM         

after reading a bit more in depth on these boards, I have to say you are incredibly talented in tarot... I am humbled.
(as if you needed ME to tell you that!!)

Everything you mention I have researched, but havent had the patience to really make mysekf retain it. Now.. well, I have been inspired. Maybe that explains the Magician I just threw in a reading yesterday. The bar has been raised. Thank You.

posted December 10, 2003 02:55 PM         

i've read that the tarot is a story encoded in it's pictures, and that the order is not within the I, II, III but from the story . . .

here's one place:
www.etheric.com

what do you think?

posted December 18, 2003 05:50 AM         

Hmmm. Sounds interesting and perhaps possible, but also sounds like this person is making an all out attempt to hawk his wares.

I'm not sure what I think, it may very well be true, and I DO believe that the Tarot is the key to unparalleled knowledge, magic and science... but I already have a problem with his assigning the 8th Tarot key to Justice rather than Strength.

It lies in the fact that the 11th card should be the one that represents balance and equilibrium, and that HAS to be Libra/Justice.

See the following figure (I'll do the best I can to line it up)

The 0 Card of The fool is over and above the rest, as it represents what Qabalists call the Limitless Light.

........................0
1......2......3......4......5......6......7
8.....9.....10....11.....12....13.....14
15....16....17....18....19....20....21

If you add up 1 and 21 you get 22, which divided by 2 = 11. The midway point. If you add 7 and 15 and divide by 2 = 11. 2 and 20 = 22/2 = 11 and so on through all of the numbers, showing that 11 is the balance point of this diagram. As the Balance point it is only logical that it be attributed to the card that shows a BALANCE... Justice. The 8th card shows a Lion = LEO! If you reverse these and make the card that shows the BALANCE card 8, then the card that falls in the 11th position, which as we can see should be a card of Balance or Equlibrium, now shows a woman closing the mouth of a Lion! I dunno, but that doesn't "add up" to my way of thinking, particularly when we have a very graphic representation of a BALANCE in the Tarot. Justice!

Make any sense?

I am intrigued though and will probably have a look at that man's book when it comes out. I may, as I always say, be wrong! And I hope I'm never too old and set in my ways that I can't learn a new trick or two.

posted December 18, 2003 01:31 PM         

i understand until you got to the part about the Strength card. how do you get this as the balance point?

b/c when i add, it's 8 + 14 = 22 divided by 2, equals 11 . . . like all the others.

i did switch #11 to the first position, #8 to the the center, and put #5 at the end. this way #8 comes out as the balance.

please explain a little further what you mean.

thanks

posted December 18, 2003 03:06 PM         

Sorry I guess it was a little early for me to be as coherent as I wanted.

My point was only that 11 needs to be the balance point in the scheme... we do not reverse the positions to make 8 come out in the midpoint.

Some Tarot decks switch 8 which SHOULD BE Strength for Justice. I feel this is incorrect for the reasons I stated. It looked on that link that you posted that the man that wrote the book made that switch, following the Tarot de Marseilles.

Sorry if I created confusion.

Make better sense now?

Blessings...
A