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Topic: For fun: interpretation of 4 pents here?
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14750 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted October 26, 2013 05:10 AM
LC,yes, it seems our reading style is quite similiar. Also the way you interprete the cards. Maybe that is why your interpretations usually resonate with me so strongly. Though I also appreciate Twirl`s readings very much, as they give me another perspective on the cards. If I should differentiate between you two, I`d say I relate to your readings more emotionally, and with her readings more intellectually. I hope I didn`t offend anyone with that just now. I just find it interesting how differently I relate to different readers. Which is why I have come to the conclusion, that it doesn`t make any sense to ask for readings by just anyone; I have to feel some sort of relating to the readers themselves; otherwise it seems like the readings do not make much sense and usually don`t come true either. Just my early saturday morning musings (okay, not that early, 11 a.m. lol) "just sort of read it like a story line, looking at the placements for more clues. For example 2 of cups followed by 10 of swords is not good while 10 of swords followed by 2 of cups is good/more favorable." Yes, I am doing it the same very often. Though it is not strictly a past-present-future reading (can figure in). I consider the cenre card to be, well, the centre, the focus, the base. The cards to the left and right evolve the theme even more, add to it. Left is usually either the past or something coming in from the subconsciousness or the emotional level. The right card is usualy more action-oriented, future-oriented, more conscious (or begining to become conscious) and that of course leads to actions that get you into the future. So in my own reading I would have read it as Ace of Cups as basis card, that is what it is all about, and it fits the question. So yes, openness to feelings, also love. Though the Ace is just the seed, the spark, the beginning, so a new development is there. Judgement as the left card, is what is either going to be left behind (I love playing with words, I mean left = will be left behind, right= right course of action maybe. lol Too much I know). Or it is what is going on underneath the realm of consciousness. So the underlying thing that is happening is me reevaluating. It made me think instantly of the dead people who are flocking back into my dreams lately! This is so much the Judgement-card, it is creepy! Hierophant to the right, there will be or should be some sort of commitment, but more so to mys piritual path I guess. Also not straying from the path too much, doing things in rather conventional ways. That is probably what is going to happen. An internal evaluation of things. It`s all very spiritual and internal though. Something along these lines. I wouldnīt rule out the possibility of meeting someone; however my personal deveopment has top priority at this time. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14750 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted October 26, 2013 05:13 AM
quote: Originally posted by Twirl: I agree You have some soul searching homework
I do. But at the same time I want to avoid standstill in the external world either, cause soulsearching is what I have been doing all my life, it is my comfort zone. However, I need to get OUT of my comfort zone, and apply some of the soulsearching-results, even if I am going to make mistakes along the way. It is just time to put myself out there more than I have done in the past. Putting myself out there would be in very small ways anyway, and for most people nothing to even think about, but I am different in this regard. So even baby steps are big ones for me. However I do have to make these baby steps or I will never learn walking, you know?
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14750 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted October 26, 2013 05:22 AM
LC, "Knight of swords-Queen of Cups-7 of pentacles" Fairly good I think. Though probably you will have to be patient about something (7 of pentacles) and accept hat it grows slowly, nearly unnoticed, while you might feel rather impatient (Knight of swords). For me this Knight is even more impatient than the Wands-one, but tends to get grumpy and even nasty verbally if he feels someone prevents him from moving where he wants to.
So how was your day? "Strength-5 of pents- 9 of swords" Is he plagued by financial worries? OR of course it could be just work, however STrength shows that he has (or has to find) the inner strength inside.
Which deck did you use?
" Limited access. Rejecting outside, ." Question is if you get in contact with him, will you get through to him? Probably not at first. However 2 of cups, this is a reciprokal card, so whatever yous ay, he may not accept it with open arms or mind, however it will do its works in his subconsciousness probably. 10 of pentacles, showing him you are there for him and care might be enough for now.
"3 of pents-10 of swords- page of swords. I think NO!! LOL" Uhm, No. LOL IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14750 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted October 26, 2013 05:25 AM
I was asking if that song he once wrote was inspired by our meeting. No I don`t really think so, but it just describes my behaviour so closely, it borders the creepy. Honestly, without any delusions, Iwould think that probably there was another girl, coincidentally acting similiarly to how I did.Anyway, I asked the question nevertheless 6 of cups - Emperor - 8 of wands
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Twirl Knowflake Posts: 4103 From: Europe Registered: Mar 2013
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posted October 26, 2013 05:41 AM
I seem to have lost my contact lense yet again, but I'm Always afraid it's still in my eye... So I asked: Is my contactlense still in my left eye: knight swords - 6 cups - 8 cups Not the clearest set of cards (I planned to go with a 1-card reading). I think they are saying: 'lost it in a rush', while you were washing your hair (6 cups <-- seen this card for hairdressers & all kind of washing/take care stuff) - 'went through the drain' Am I right?? Or do you see a possibility it's still there? Cause of course I can also see the other side: 'it's moved to one side/don't be rash) - it's still there, where you put it - ... Hmm, does point towards it being lost though. Any thoughts??? IP: Logged |
Twirl Knowflake Posts: 4103 From: Europe Registered: Mar 2013
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posted October 26, 2013 05:43 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: I do. But at the same time I want to avoid standstill in the external world either, cause soulsearching is what I have been doing all my life, it is my comfort zone.However, I need to get OUT of my comfort zone, and apply some of the soulsearching-results, even if I am going to make mistakes along the way. It is just time to put myself out there more than I have done in the past. Putting myself out there would be in very small ways anyway, and for most people nothing to even think about, but I am different in this regard. So even baby steps are big ones for me. However I do have to make these baby steps or I will never learn walking, you know?
Yes, I can understand. Baby steps are cool How about the Hierophant as some outside help? Someone who will think with you & encourage you? It woould also fit the topic; meet someone serious/for a serious connection. IP: Logged |
Twirl Knowflake Posts: 4103 From: Europe Registered: Mar 2013
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posted October 26, 2013 05:47 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: I was asking if that song he once wrote was inspired by our meeting. No I don`t really think so, but it just describes my behaviour so closely, it borders the creepy. Honestly, without any delusions, Iwould think that probably there was another girl, coincidentally acting similiarly to how I did.Anyway, I asked the question nevertheless 6 of cups - Emperor - 8 of wands
I can see how it reflects the question But... I would read it: 6 cups RX - emperor RX - 8 wands, which would make it a 'no'.
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14750 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted October 26, 2013 05:59 AM
quote: Originally posted by Twirl: I seem to have lost my contact lense yet again, but I'm Always afraid it's still in my eye... So I asked: Is my contactlense still in my left eye: knight swords - 6 cups - 8 cups Not the clearest set of cards (I planned to go with a 1-card reading). I think they are saying: 'lost it in a rush', while you were washing your hair (6 cups <-- seen this card for hairdressers & all kind of washing/take care stuff) - 'went through the drain' Am I right?? Or do you see a possibility it's still there? Cause of course I can also see the other side: 'it's moved to one side/don't be rash) - it's still there, where you put it - ... Hmm, does point towards it being lost though. Any thoughts???
With the 8 of cups, you probably really lost it though. It left you so to speak. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14750 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted October 26, 2013 06:01 AM
quote: Originally posted by Twirl: I can see how it reflects the question But... I would read it: 6 cups RX - emperor RX - 8 wands, which would make it a 'no'.
Yeah, but then again they were upright, and I donīt do dignities, so the cards have to speak for themselves. I mean my cards know that I donīt do dignities nor reversals; I couldn`t read yours without using interpretation for reversals either, cause that is what you do when you are pulling the cards. I guess this is aphilosophical question, but I believe one can only interprete the cards in the frame of the method the one pulling them had applied. Putting cards in your spread upright (just because I donīt read them that way) would undoubtedly deliver wrong or lopsided results. But yes, I guess that is a matter of discussion actually. Intriguing subject btw. Can someone else interprete your spread? Or would they have to do one of their own with the question? And how would the reader`s opinions, hopes and fears reflect in the spreads themselves? IP: Logged |
Twirl Knowflake Posts: 4103 From: Europe Registered: Mar 2013
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posted October 26, 2013 06:09 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: Yeah, but then again they were upright, and I donīt do dignities, so the cards have to speak for themselves.
I know, but I still think that's how they bring the message across, because the elements do effect the flow of the cards. So it's a clash with fire & water, regardless if you take in the dignities. But feel free to read and interpret another way of course. IP: Logged |
Twirl Knowflake Posts: 4103 From: Europe Registered: Mar 2013
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posted October 26, 2013 06:10 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: With the 8 of cups, you probably really lost it though. It left you so to speak.
Thanks. Yeah, I was really hoping that, lol. I put a new one in, but I also onec had it another just 'popped up' :-/ IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14750 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted October 26, 2013 06:14 AM
quote: Originally posted by Twirl: I know, but I still think that's how they bring the message across, because the elements do effect the flow of the cards. So it's a clash with fire & water, regardless if you take in the dignities.
I think the cards are a reflection of the reader`s mind/ intuition, however you want to call it, they are not independent on their own, but derive meaning from the union of their imagery and the individual reader. But yeah let`s agree to disagree on this.
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Twirl Knowflake Posts: 4103 From: Europe Registered: Mar 2013
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posted October 26, 2013 06:17 AM
@ Ceri: I see you edited the message. Yes, I can see your point. I think the cards always try to put the message across, but I also noticed that when you ignore the elements in a spread, often the predicted outcome, comes out differently (which made sense if the elements or ill-diginified were taken in). <-- in regards to readers that read upright. I think sometimes it really also reflects the hope & wishes of the reader. I have had that quite often (especially if I keep asking the same thing). I noticed the more attached I am (or convinced of something) the cards tend to reflect that back to me. (for example: I left my bike unattended in my city centre (just 1 lock) & I was convinced it would get stolen (about 11 bikes has been nicked since I live here, lol). The cards showed me The Hermit & I thought: omg! See! Someone took it a night... Which wasn't the case at all... It was still there.) That's why I always ask someone else to read for me when it's really important. Edit: yeah, no problem, I can agree to disagree (altough you will receive post cards soon saying: 'wonders of the elements', 'do elements clash?', 'Sun & Sea. Does water mic with fire?', from an anonomous source ) IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14750 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted October 26, 2013 07:14 AM
quote: Originally posted by Twirl:
Edit: yeah, no problem, I can agree to disagree (altough you will receive post cards soon saying: 'wonders of the elements', 'do elements clash?', 'Sun & Sea. Does water mic with fire?', from an anonomous source )
Just send them my way. Oh and just for the record, I love the mix of fire of water. They may not mix, but they make for a nice steamy (literally) explosion. lol Who decided water and fire donīt mix? Who sais Fire and air do? Yeah, I know traditional astrology does, but I am not totally in agreement with that either. to be hones I rather have a mix of Fire and Water then Fire and Air. but oki-doki. I have noticed actually the opposite from what you described, but that is the thing with different perspectives I guess.
Oh I just edited out that I wrote that we can agree to disagree, cause I had written it twice, and though it was a little much. I am only reading in detached mode nowadays, and only accepting the first reading (everything else after that is bound to reflect my thoughts more than anything else, and if I feel I have to do another reading on this, it means I am not detached enough from the outcome).
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Twirl Knowflake Posts: 4103 From: Europe Registered: Mar 2013
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posted October 26, 2013 09:20 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: Just send them my way. Oh and just for the record, I love the mix of fire of water. They may not mix, but they make for a nice steamy (literally) explosion. lol Who decided water and fire donīt mix? Who sais Fire and air do? Yeah, I know traditional astrology does, but I am not totally in agreement with that either. to be hones I rather have a mix of Fire and Water then Fire and Air. but oki-doki. I have noticed actually the opposite from what you described, but that is the thing with different perspectives I guess.
Oh I just edited out that I wrote that we can agree to disagree, cause I had written it twice, and though it was a little much. I am only reading in detached mode nowadays, and only accepting the first reading (everything else after that is bound to reflect my thoughts more than anything else, and if I feel I have to do another reading on this, it means I am not detached enough from the outcome).
I'm not that familiar with the actual astrology system on this, but I am with the elements from the medicine wheel (can't think of how to otherwise translate it). I do like my bath water warm... I was just outside & feel like The Moon. This cold is doing my head in. Almost got knocked over by someone on a bike (what else, lol), because I was very moonish while taking a left... IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14750 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted October 26, 2013 10:50 AM
Hope you are feeling better soon.But yes, those bikes are really dangerous. Whenever I am in your country, I have to remind myself before to look out for them. There are just so many of them, and so fast! IP: Logged |
littlecloud Moderator Posts: 3275 From: Registered: Nov 2010
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posted October 26, 2013 11:47 PM
Ceri- I'm not offended at all. I'm glad my reading resonate on any level! I also agree with you on having someone that I can somewhat connect to, especially online. It happens in person, just less often. The better the connection the more I can "see". The way you described how you read the 3 card reading is similar to beccathalions way of reading, another person I can connect to well. As for my day it was rather interesting. For one having patience came on a multitude of levels. I'm a bit in awe to be honest, at how much depth a small 3 card reading could have. I did and do get grumpy when I'm being impatient about something, and yesterday that started with getting my check from my boss, at the salon (got my hair done), and with 'my boy' (as I'm calling him). My boss had stepped out which delayed me, forcing me to stay until he got back so that I could get paid. Then I went to the salon disappointed that I wouldn't get to work out even for 30 min. I know, I know, who gets a blowout and then expects to go to the gym right after? Me lol. I had met a friend/co-worker at the salon since she was the one that suggested the place. Her husband works around the corner so we went to eat and drink before work and spending that time with her I realized I didn't want her life. Sure it looked nice, friends in the right places so that eating out was only $10, nice clothes, hair, very sex and the city like, but it's just not for me. When I realized this, it made me think of the 7 of pentacles. How he's standing leaning against his spade at the tree/bush (that he likely planted) with the pentacles on there, pondering it. I felt like that was me, looking at my choices, where I stood and deciding my path. It was a serene moment. Somewhere in the back of my head throughout the night 'my boy' would come to mind and I realized that this too would take patience, although I have little of that lol :-/ My patience was also being tried during work later that evening (two jobs). For the last few readings I've been using this deck: http://www.llewellyn.com/product.php?ean=9780738702995 As for the mixing of elements in astrology I have my own take on that. I know there's more I meant to respond to but I'm currently at work so a bit distracted. IP: Logged |
littlecloud Moderator Posts: 3275 From: Registered: Nov 2010
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posted October 27, 2013 03:30 AM
To my hair...I don't like it. Initially I did but I realized she gave me 'the bob' hairstyle. http://collegecandy.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/rb-jennifer-aniston-rachel-bob-0909-2-large_new.jpg It essentially has two layers and my hair looks better when it has 3 layers. So needless to say I'm not pleased. I'm considering going and getting it cut again, because I want to grow it out and in a style I like. It already feels pretty thin and with this style it feels thinner at the base of my head and I just hate how it looks on me. The cut/style forms this bubble formation around my head with hair sticking out at the base of it. I'm really annoyed right now. Like super annoyed. Waste of time and money. That is what I get for listening to the opinion of someone else.
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Twirl Knowflake Posts: 4103 From: Europe Registered: Mar 2013
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posted October 27, 2013 04:24 AM
quote: Originally posted by littlecloud: To my hair...I don't like it. Initially I did but I realized she gave me 'the bob' hairstyle. http://collegecandy.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/rb-jennifer-aniston-rachel- bob-0909-2-large_new.jpg It essentially has two layers and my hair looks better when it has 3 layers. So needless to say I'm not pleased. I'm considering going and getting it cut again, because I want to grow it out and in a style I like. It already feels pretty thin and with this style it feels thinner at the base of my head and I just hate how it looks on me. The cut/style forms this bubble formation around my head with hair sticking out at the base of it. I'm really annoyed right now. Like super annoyed. Waste of time and money. That is what I get for listening to the opinion of someone else.
Oh! That sucks about the hair! Are you sure it looks that bad? I like the Jen-hair. Maybe it's just the time getting used to it? Or ask some friends what they think? If it cheers you up, when my mum saw my new hair she said: Oh? You cut it? Right... Well, that's your choice of course'. Lol. I don't really dare to ask what she said about the colour? My cards say it still looks 'spicy' (Queen of Wands), or actually 'safe/secure hair cut (the bob), but with a 'wild', 'unorthodox touch', giving of a spicy, powerful, sexy vibe). 10 pents - king cups RX - Queen Wands. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14750 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted October 28, 2013 07:18 AM
LC;"The way you described how you read the 3 card reading is similar to beccathalions way of reading, another person I can connect to well." Yes, I read that, too, in one of her posts, and found that encouraging that we are reading it similiarly. I also connect well to her readings. "I'm a bit in awe to be honest, at how much depth a small 3 card reading could have" Yes, at times it is really amazing. "For the last few readings I've been using this deck: http://www.llewellyn.com/product.php?ean=9780738702995 What a beautiful deck! It is not as "in your face" as my usual preference, but it feels "tender" somehow gentle. Well, I checked it out, and was surprised to find that my name came up in the myths behind the cards (priestess). I almost forgot that my nickname originated from mythology. lol "As for the mixing of elements in astrology I have my own take on that." Do you want o share? I am very curious.
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littlecloud Moderator Posts: 3275 From: Registered: Nov 2010
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posted October 28, 2013 03:23 PM
Twirl- So it seems I may have overreacted just a little bit about my hair..hehe...it explains the King of Cups Rx, losing my cool, getting emotional for no reason... I am a Leo after all and in my defense I never blow out my hair so the hairdresser totally threw me off by styling it. I didn't ask her specifically about the hair dye but that I wanted my natural hair color back and she advised that I dye it because my hair has been significantly lightened. My friend looked up the dye I got for myself and said that it looks close enough to my natural color. Good news is that I think I'm actually growing back some of the hair I lost because the top of my scalp is thicker in comparison to further down and I also noticed quite a bit of fly-aways when it was being styled. Ceridwen- Yep!!! I kept wanting to post it for you because basically you're the HP of that deck. I wondered if you had gotten the name from there. I like the artistry, the more magical and mystical it looks the more it fascinates me and draws me to the deck. These are my other decks: This was my first one that I started using and still confuses me to this day from time to time, other times the messages are so clear they make me laugh. A friend actually bought it for me originally but then my mom (very religious) threw it out and I went and bought my own. It's very worn out. http://www.tarotcardmeaningsonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/A3-all-tarotB-sm3.jpg And of course you know my fairy tarot https://www.google.com/search?q=faerie+tarot&client=firefox-a&hs=SHD&rls=org.mozilla:en-US fficial&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=H6VuUoXuGri64AP4hIC4BQ&ved=0CCsQsAQ&biw=1251& bih=603#q=mystic%20faerie%20tarot&revid=1245521533&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&tbm=isch&imgdii=_ As for astrology, well I think a lot depends on the natal and how you have dealt with the difficult aspects in your chart. I for example have water, fire and earth in my big 3 and very little air in my chart over all. The majority of my planets are in my lower half of the hemisphere so I take a rather subjective view point of many things. Aside from Jupiter in air sign, the next airiest thing in my chart is Moon square Uranus, Uranus square asc and Uranus tightly conjunct MC. So I can relate to an Aquarian way of thinking and being scientific and mathematical in my thinking, even though I hate math. Ok so all that being said, Fire and earth don't really make a 'great' combination but it's fitting for me because it grounds reflects a lot of my own chart, same with fire and water. I have difficulty connecting to a person of a heavy earth/air chart or someone heavy in air. So if this were to relate to tarot, for me, Queen of Cups and King of Swords would be a very bad mix, with the King of Wands it would be a rather passionate exciting one in which they both challenge each other and for me that is really good (I like that challenge because it stimulates growth), with the King of Cups I think it would be a very easy union, always on the same page but not as invigorating, with King of Pents somewhere between the Wands and the Cups, challenging but still rather easy. I may be off a bit because I've only been reading tarot for about 2 years and mostly for myself and people online, but as of now that is my take. For me it's difficult to look at a synastry chart without looking at the natal because the way someone relates to another person depends on who they are, how they act as an individual, what their thought process is and how their environment as a child and later has shaped them.
I'm not sure if that made my theory clearer or not but that's what I do when looking at charts and interpreting them. On a side note I had asked if 'my boy' and I were well suited to each other as a couple and got 6 of cups-2 of cups- 8 of wands Needless to say much better than the last one I asked about! Also very surprising, I expected 10 of swords here rather than the other one. The baffling thing about the other guy is that I often feel like I can read him like a book, I can easily tell the underlying reasons for his actions which he always seemed to like. So for him I expected something like yes, but nothing will come of it instead of the heck No! that I got. Still, made me laugh. IP: Logged |
littlecloud Moderator Posts: 3275 From: Registered: Nov 2010
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posted October 29, 2013 02:00 PM
I had done a reading asking how I did on my midterm and pulled 4 of wands- the universe- star I got it back today, a 96!! I was shocked. So if I analyze it I built a good strong foundation, passed/completed it, and much better than I had thought/hoped. I really thought I did terrible. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14750 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 01, 2013 04:37 PM
quote: Originally posted by littlecloud: I had done a reading asking how I did on my midterm and pulled 4 of wands- the universe- star I got it back today, a 96!! I was shocked. So if I analyze it I built a good strong foundation, passed/completed it, and much better than I had thought/hoped. I really thought I did terrible.
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14750 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 01, 2013 04:38 PM
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the elements, and I agree very much.BTW the spread on yuor boy and you - wonderful! Almost all my favourite cards gathered there. lol IP: Logged |
littlecloud Moderator Posts: 3275 From: Registered: Nov 2010
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posted November 01, 2013 06:24 PM
Thanks Ceri!! I'm trying not to slack off in class and make sure I keep that grade! It'll be a great boost for me if I get an A. Yes! Some of my favorite cards too I just wish he would see it that way. I also tend to get lots of pents with him, very sllloooooowwww moving I suppose. IP: Logged | |