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Topic: For fun: interpretation of 4 pents here?
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14750 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 01, 2013 07:07 PM
Slow moving is okay, as long as it is moving, right? And keeping my fingers crossed for the A you should get. Could you maybe pull three cards for me? The question arose today, how this guy would react or what he would think, if I was a little more, mmph, let`s say communicative. But I donīt trust myself pulling cards on this one. IP: Logged |
littlecloud Moderator Posts: 3275 From: Registered: Nov 2010
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posted November 01, 2013 08:09 PM
Sure. Which guy? Can you give me an initial? Only because I have this image in my head of the rockstar/actor you've mentioned and if it's not him the reading will be skewed. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14750 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 01, 2013 08:19 PM
Initial is PS, and I don`t think the reading will be skewed. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14750 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 01, 2013 08:53 PM
In the meantime I was asking what he does not like about me, behaviour he would rather see I am changing.2 of wands - 4 of swords - 7 of pentacles Do I detect a certain red thread in all of these cards? Can it be that I seem a little too, hmm, inactive? IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14750 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 01, 2013 09:06 PM
for a more positive perspective I also asked what he likes about me 6 of cups - Knight of Pentacles - MOON.
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littlecloud Moderator Posts: 3275 From: Registered: Nov 2010
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posted November 01, 2013 10:06 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: Slow moving is okay, as long as it is moving, right? And keeping my fingers crossed for the A you should get. Could you maybe pull three cards for me? The question arose today, how this guy would react or what he would think, if I was a little more, mmph, let`s say communicative. But I donīt trust myself pulling cards on this one.
Fool- 8 of swords-Chariot The 8 of swords always stumps me a by when surrounded by 'good' cards. The I see it is that there's this exciting element that's both exhilarating and scary. The chariot to me is a good omen, I think it'll spark movement but either it'll be on his terms or you'll end up putting the ball in his park. Which is scary, so we come back to the 8 of swords. I say go for it because the end result is the chains coming off and going forward on that chariot which is still exciting and full of raw energy.
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littlecloud Moderator Posts: 3275 From: Registered: Nov 2010
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posted November 01, 2013 10:17 PM
Ha! That's makes so much sense in terms of my reading now!! I hadn't read your post until now. I glimpsed but too quickly to really take in anything you wrote or the cards. I think he likes that you have a rather youthful quality to you, but not immature, in a way that makes you even more mystical and enticing, also feminine. (Brickhouse started playing as I wrote this lol) As for 'my boy', we've hit a bit of a snag and things are kinda in this in between stagnant place. Truth be told, I've been avoiding him a bit over the last month, while missing him. I've gotten 5 of Pents a couple of times and I feel like the message is to have faith and not give up hope. I've always had a bit of a respect for that card. It's not my favorite but it's like an encouraging pat on the back. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14750 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 02, 2013 07:41 AM
Thank you for drawing the cards, LC. "The 8 of swords always stumps me a by when surrounded by 'good' cards." Yes, me, too.
However, in the past months it turned out to not be as gloomy as I always thought it was. Like it was all disaster and such. But in getting to know this card, for me it represents being trapped in your mind. That can mean a lot of things. For example for me it also meant that I was so utterly captivated by someone, that I turned literally tonguetied and probably also made a home within my own insecurities. It also can mean being confined by circumstances I think. In this regard I can see how this card here would refer to not reacting at all. Or not reacting the way he might want to, probably because he is going to be confined or limited by certain circumstances (oh boy that one makes so much sense, I donīt even know where to start. lol). Maybe it also means he would have trouble to adjusting to the change in my behaviour and mindset. I am thinking that because of the Fool that comes up as first card. Well, I asked about his reaction, and so it could of course mean that he would react sponaneously. I donīt know if you have interpreted it that way or meant the spread that way, but for me the left card is on the instinctual-side, sometimes subconscious or emotional factors influencing the central card, sometimes something from the past. Here it might be that he senses a change in me, but maybe also in regard to our connection, or the potential of a change. While the Fool usually embraces the change, and he might even like it, the 8 of swords shows pretty clearly that his hands are tied. He can`t react spontaneously or the way he want. Now that does not mean a spontaneous reaction would be positve. Maybe it is good that way, so I do not have to face a negative expression of his thoughts. lol However basically I interprete the Fool as pretty positive, emotionally neutral, but the positive thing is the curiosity that it inspires and the leap into the unknown. Now the Chariot stumps me. For me the right card is the direction it will head, the conscious thoughtprocess taking place leading to the potential action (the complement to the left card, indicating more subconscious processes, emotions more than action) - the Chariot would indicate a taking of control and a determinationt o do something (though we still do not know if that would be a positive thing for me. lol). If I take dignities into consideration (just to entertain myself), the Fool and 8 of Swords are both Air (oh seems a lot of thinking going on, even if there is no action coming with it), howver the Chariot is a Water card. Water clashes with Air, so I think the Chariot would be reversed in that model (the 8 of swords probably not, because it goes together with the Fool, but am not sure; well I would prefer it being reversed in that spread, definitely. Showing that the obstruction is slowly giving way, but I guess not, only chariot is reversed. Damn it.) A reversed Chariot is now all over the place, lacking direction and determination. Confusion making any kind of action either not existent or impulsive and even a little foolish. The energy is scattered, instead of focused.
Summarizing all that I would say that he would feel rather surprised about me changing my behaviour so much, and pretty much does not know what to do with that change.
I looked up the elements, too
Oh I just see I was wrong: Air and Water are actually friendly to each other in that model. Now it is me who is confused.
Anyway, that means of course we have an upright Chariot. I would still say there is an element of Surprise there (Fool), momentarily unable to react, be it because of the surprising change, or the conditions of the environment (8 of swords), however with the Chariot following, it seems like he will have a definite opinion on that. Probably it also means that this would really change our way of interaction, in what way ever. Could also lead to a: Oh please stop bothering me. But back to the elements.
Air - Air - Water (it is al a bit f"luffy, isnīt it?) "The centre card in this triad is moderately strong and being an active Element, is most likely to happen. This could be mentally ruthless but for the soft side of the water. Keeping in touch with your feminine side or allowing yourself to relax a little and enjoy softness. Theres sentience to decision making, with perhaps all sides being considered fairly. Douglas: There is the need to understand the past; a belief that rational understanding is the only understanding necessary; can be a good listener, yet doesnt like ideas conflicting with theirs; an indulgence in food; a need to make an example of someone; guilt; a need to create an emotionally supportive environment, either at work or in private." http://tarotelements.com/4039/how-you-can-turbocharge-your-tarot-readings-using-the-elemental-dignities-dictionary/#double So if the central card is going to happen, what is going to happen is that nothing is going to happen I suppose.
" The I see it is that there's this exciting element that's both exhilarating and scary. The chariot to re me is a good omen, I think it'll spark movement but either it'll be on his terms or you'll end up putting the ball in his park. Which is scary, so we come back to the 8 of swords. I say go for it because the end result is the chains coming off and going forward on that chariot which is still exciting and full of raw energy. " I resonate very much with that. Yes, sounds very likely. IP: Logged |
littlecloud Moderator Posts: 3275 From: Registered: Nov 2010
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posted November 02, 2013 11:34 AM
How the heck is chariot water? I can't see it. To me it's fire, maybe air. My head is reeling from this fact. Other than that you went all out in your analysis lol. You sound like me :-) I was thinking the same about the fool. There seemed a happy, excited part mixed in with some fear. After seeing the cards you pulled, it clicked bc you apparently never take action!! Lol I still like the chariot bc at least now there is movement. A little help if you please? I can't really figure these cards out. I asked what I could do to improve my relationship with him and got 8 of cups-Queen of Pents-Sun Oddly enough the 8 of cups is a positive card here. The fairy is smiling, she's made a decision to search for her loved one and has set out to do it with the aid of a dragonfly. I'm going to copy you and ask what he likes/doesn't like. edited to add: What he doesn't like Hermit-3 of cups- King of Discs Anti-social maybe? Though I would think that's more 3 of cups-Hermit..no idea about the King...too traditional maybe? What he does like King of cups- Chariot- 5 of swords Self preservation?
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14750 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 02, 2013 12:04 PM
LC,"How the heck is chariot water?" Yes, I know. It totally stuns me everytime I read it. Apparently Chariot is related to Cancer, and thus water. For me personally I would have thought of Fire or Air as well. I mean I get it Cancer is cardinal, beginning of the season and all that stuff, but still. " Other than that you went all out in your analysis lol. You sound like me :-)" LOL Yes I got carried away suddenly. Your spread spoke volumes to me.
"I was thinking the same about the fool. There seemed a happy, excited part mixed in with some fear." Yes. Well, funnily I was asking about his reaction, not mine (I know that I am very antsy and nervous. lol)
" After seeing the cards you pulled, it clicked bc you apparently never take action!! Lol " LOL No I donīt. I am just too reserved. No that is not the word. Cowardish. Yes that one is it. I am a coward. "A little help if you please? I can't really figure these cards out. I asked what I could do to improve my relationship with him and got 8 of cups-Queen of Pents-Sun" Let bygones be bygone, leave the past behind. Let go of any kind of grudges you may have, the feeling of loss that might be there, and instead be the Queen of Pents, committed, soli, warmhearted, caring, realistic, in the moment, in the now. (the Pents to me are very much about the present, the work you do now of course will affect thef uture, but the Pents themselves they work in the Present I think) That which you probably need to consciously incorporate is having faith, just let it flow and enjoy every good moment you have together. Or it means that this is what it is headed into, a real sunny time for you two. "Oddly enough the 8 of cups is a positive card here. The fairy is smiling, she's made a decision to search for her loved one and has set out to do it with the aid of a dragonfly" Oh how sweet is this! Can you post an image?
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14750 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 02, 2013 12:18 PM
In your first spread, see how the element of Air is missing, no swords.Cups is water, pents is earth, sun is fire. Maybe it would really improve your relationship if you did not overthink it too much. IP: Logged |
littlecloud Moderator Posts: 3275 From: Registered: Nov 2010
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posted November 02, 2013 12:24 PM
Ha! Maybe...I analyze everything tho...helps me get a handle on how I feel what I want...but yea makes sense I guess, there's more I could say but not really in the mood to go into it. I do like the idea of a sunny time coming up Anyway found a pic online. The color is a bit off but still you can see my description. http://entangledtarot.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/8-of-cups-mft.jpg IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14750 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 02, 2013 12:31 PM
"What he doesn't like Hermit-3 of cups- King of Discs Anti-social maybe? Though I would think that's more 3 of cups-Hermit..no idea about the King...too traditional maybe?"Maybe he feels you are keeping your options open and are not as committed as he maybe would like to? I say this because 3 of cups is the central card, and it is a card of emotional sharing yes, but not with one person alone. It seems like there are others on the horizon. The modifying cards are Hermit and King of Pentacles. Maybe there is a subconscious fear to end up alone and lonely, or some other kind of soulsearching is influencing this "I care for you, but also maybe about others" 3 of cups, and the King of Pents is a very pragmatic man. Not setting it all onto one card if the effects are not as desired, though he will work hard. Maybe you are not romantic enough for him, and giving him top priority in your life? at least he might feel like it, does not need to be true. "What he does like King of cups- Chariot- 5 of swords Self preservation?"
He likes your determination, how you can focus on what you want and make it happen. This determination that is fuelled by deep genuine feelings, caring and protectiveness. And to make it happen you use your mind and reason. Very courageous, though sometimes probably a bit to sharptongued. I have difficulties to see the good in the 5 of swords actually, there is at least an acid-like vibe to it. But maybe he likes it if you put the cards on the table, challenge him and are provocative. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14750 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 02, 2013 12:32 PM
quote: Originally posted by littlecloud: Ha! Maybe...I analyze everything tho...helps me get a handle on how I feel what I want...but yea makes sense I guess, there's more I could say but not really in the mood to go into it. I do like the idea of a sunny time coming up Anyway found a pic online. The color is a bit off but still you can see my description. http://entangledtarot.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/8-of-cups-mft.jpg
a sweet pic. Though I have a bit of difficulties to relate the 8 of cups feelng to it. But then it is probably just a different 8 of cups. IP: Logged |
littlecloud Moderator Posts: 3275 From: Registered: Nov 2010
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posted November 02, 2013 02:12 PM
quote: Yes, I know. It totally stuns me everytime I read it. Apparently Chariot is related to Cancer, and thus water. For me personally I would have thought of Fire or Air as well. I mean I get it Cancer is cardinal, beginning of the season and all that stuff, but still.
I think it's relating astrologically with Chariot being the 7 card and therefore 7th day of the year. I still can't associate with Cancer though, cancer is subtle in it's leadership which I don't feel the Chariot is at all. quote: Maybe he feels you are keeping your options open and are not as committed as he maybe would like to? I say this because 3 of cups is the central card, and it is a card of emotional sharing yes, but not with one person alone. It seems like there are others on the horizon.The modifying cards are Hermit and King of Pentacles. Maybe there is a subconscious fear to end up alone and lonely, or some other kind of soulsearching is influencing this "I care for you, but also maybe about others" 3 of cups, and the King of Pents is a very pragmatic man. Not setting it all onto one card if the effects are not as desired, though he will work hard. Maybe you are not romantic enough for him, and giving him top priority in your life? at least he might feel like it, does not need to be true.
Oh man this is not true at all...it's actually more how I feel about him...although I can relate to the pragmatism which is related to the 5 of swords. (I'll have to post pics) The 5 in this deck was described in the accompanying book as sexual abuse. Which I have dealt with, abuse of all kind in general... This along with being a science major has led me to be a little more objective, scientific, and a bit cold, to be honest, in selecting partners. When I think about it is a bit business like lol. Like, 'What do you have to offer me?', 'Nope not good enough. Next!' It comes from a place of needing to protect myself and also having learned what I want and need. Oddly enough he's been the one pushing away any sort of commitment with me, I think that it's partly because he has this view that I'm super traditional (I can see why, but it's not true, perhaps more traditional than he is, but to many others I am not all). A lot of times I feel like I don't want him because he doesn't want me. *sighs* I'm always drawn to the complicated **** quote: He likes your determination, how you can focus on what you want and make it happen. This determination that is fuelled by deep genuine feelings, caring and protectiveness. And to make it happen you use your mind and reason. Very courageous, though sometimes probably a bit to sharptongued. I have difficulties to see the good in the 5 of swords actually, there is at least an acid-like vibe to it. But maybe he likes it if you put the cards on the table, challenge him and are provocative.
I like the sound of provocative Sharptongued Yea...maybe a bit lol. I've gotten a bit nasty with him a few times, but again goes back to what I said about protecting myself, from being hurt. I think he sees that. I did just think of a good quality! Learning to accept defeat, knowing when you are wrong, thereby not letting pride get the best of you. I try really really hard to be self-aware of my own actions and realize when I am at fault so that I can accept responsibility, move forward and solve the issue at hand. Ceri, I <3 you. Thanks for helping me out with these, really it's been a big help. Maybe I should just spill my guts...it would be much easier to do a vulcan mind-meld thing and just have him read my thoughts. IP: Logged |
Twirl Knowflake Posts: 4103 From: Europe Registered: Mar 2013
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posted November 02, 2013 05:13 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: In the meantime I was asking what he does not like about me, behaviour he would rather see I am changing.2 of wands - 4 of swords - 7 of pentacles Do I detect a certain red thread in all of these cards? Can it be that I seem a little too, hmm, inactive?
Being indecisive, hiding away & minding to take it very slow @lc: shopped for gems Have four new ones. Did go for Ony for grounding, because obsidian made me nauseous the minute I picked it up... Thanks for reminding me of gems! I used to be so into them many years ago. IP: Logged |
littlecloud Moderator Posts: 3275 From: Registered: Nov 2010
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posted November 02, 2013 11:36 PM
Twirl- forgot to add pyrite as a grounding stone!! But glad to see I helped :-)IP: Logged |
littlecloud Moderator Posts: 3275 From: Registered: Nov 2010
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posted November 02, 2013 11:58 PM
Back to vanity!! (Partially health too, well a considerate amount of health). I asked if getting rhinoplasty would help me breathe better and therefore improve my health and ability as a fighter. 10 of swords- tower- 3 of discsI think it's a positive outlook in a weird way. The foundation sucks and it would be a rather drastic change, a tearing down of the old and beginning to build the new, I may have to re-learn how to breathe as weird as it sounds. The 3 makes sense for the collaboration of doctors/nurses IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14750 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 03, 2013 05:29 AM
I was asking my Illuminati Deck (the only that currently has reversals ), if he ever got the mail with the horoscope I sent him ages ago (during Mercury retrograde, with both emails crashing shortly afterwards. lol)Tower rx - 9 of wands - Hermit rx I also asked how, if he did not receive it, he felt about it (and about that change into avoidance mode on my behalf, that I do not even understand myself anymore today) 9 of cups rx - Prince of Swords rx - Hermit rx Oh Jeez, I messed up real badly, didn`t I? and now this messing up is coming back to haunt me.
Was asking what I could do to somehow set things straight again, or at least improve my course of action.
7 of cups - 7 of pentacles rx - 5 of cups rx 7 of wands fell out. Hmm, I guess there is not really anythng I can do now. I guess sometimes sh*it simply happens. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14750 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 03, 2013 05:45 AM
quote: Originally posted by Twirl: Being indecisive, hiding away & minding to take it very slow @lc: shopped for gems Have four new ones. Did go for Ony for grounding, because obsidian made me nauseous the minute I picked it up... Thanks for reminding me of gems! I used to be so into them many years ago.
Yes, I know. Made terrible much sense. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14750 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 03, 2013 05:46 AM
quote: Originally posted by littlecloud: Back to vanity!! (Partially health too, well a considerate amount of health). I asked if getting rhinoplasty would help me breathe better and therefore improve my health and ability as a fighter. [b]10 of swords- tower- 3 of discsI think it's a positive outlook in a weird way. The foundation sucks and it would be a rather drastic change, a tearing down of the old and beginning to build the new, I may have to re-learn how to breathe as weird as it sounds. The 3 makes sense for the collaboration of doctors/nurses [/B]
I agree, and the 10 of swords signifying the surgery and cutting that is needed. But yes, the 3 of pents is a good omen.
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littlecloud Moderator Posts: 3275 From: Registered: Nov 2010
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posted November 03, 2013 02:13 PM
Ahh...Ceri I wish I could give you some input on the cards you pulled but there are so many reversals that it's really throwing me off. I would think that 5 of cups rx is positive, no? the 7 of pents does point to free will.. I'm not sure what to say, is this someone you wish to be involved with? I keep thinking about your interpretation about my hermit/3 of cups/King of Discs and I feel like it's more about what I don't like rather than him. Maybe I'm too close to this to read it...idk...what do you think? IP: Logged |
Twirl Knowflake Posts: 4103 From: Europe Registered: Mar 2013
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posted November 03, 2013 02:22 PM
Didn't see those cards too. With all the RX it looks like he didn't receive it and/or read it to be more specific. Especially at the 2nd question, all are RX. So it looks like an invalid question to me, which would confirm the first answer. Edit: so basically the towerRX + 9 of wands make me think of a 'fire wall', didn't get passed something (might even be junk mail) & then poof, knowledge left the building unseen & not used (Hermit RX). IP: Logged |
littlecloud Moderator Posts: 3275 From: Registered: Nov 2010
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posted November 03, 2013 02:58 PM
Twirl I dub thee Queen of the reversals!IP: Logged |
littlecloud Moderator Posts: 3275 From: Registered: Nov 2010
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posted November 04, 2013 12:45 PM
Ceri...I guess the cards I pulled weren't far off. I did this spread this morning, tried to get my head clear so I could understand things better. Some of the same cards showed up which I found interest. http://www.mytarotspreads.com/ts_ViewSpread.mdv?Spread=7971a2158d19545ad4de759c0b1e8890 1- 3 of cups 2- 8 of pents 3- Chariot 4- 9 of swords (eek!! not good, but I tend to associate it with irrational fears...) 5- 3 of wands 6- Page of Wands 7- 6 of swords (I'm thinking it's leaving something painful behind us) 8- Knight of Cups (not my favorite card, but a good omen of true love in this deck) This is the deck that I got King of Swords for as it's characteristics, so today while I was walking a rather handsome young yellow lab, I thought to myself that he likely stands for taking things at face value and maybe that's how I need to look at the cards pulled.. I'll come back later to this and go through each card, this is still a rather new deck for me to be using and I promised my friend a reading which I should get to soon. I think this deck may be also ideal for love questions... IP: Logged | |