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Twirl
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posted March 19, 2014 11:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi,

We have discussed this card before, & I will see if I can find the links. However, I always feel there's a part missing when I see this card.

Generally the fives relate to struggle of course. The swords being fierce weapons of power and/or something done with force. The five of swords often gets the negatives: someone has one up over you, won the battle but lost the war, being defeated in a hard way, tough arguments & all kinds of unpleasantness.

However, what has been drawing my attention is that it's often a "cutting out negativities through persistence" & "conquering difficulties", "beating something against all odds". It mostly relates to finding solutions for something that weren't at all easy to find. Depending on surrounding cards of course. But I feel that very often there's instantly looked at the 'hateful' side of this card, while there's a lot of good to be found in it.

Other discussions: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/007668.html

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/004778.html
-can't find another. Thought we had a topic on it before-


What do you think and/or are your experiences? This may very well also be the way the cards choose to speak to me. But for me it is like 'a missing link' in interpreting this five.

Love to hear your thoughts

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Ceridwen
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posted March 19, 2014 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had a surprising experience with this one.

As you said, I tend to see it in a very negative light, AT LEAST leading to some snide remarks and spats, but sometimes being downright verbally abusive.


However, on that event last year I was pulling this card as daily card and theme-card for my experience of the event.


But as a matter of fact it was a very positive experience for me.
True I had to discuss some business-thing with the manager of the show (involving money and such things), but the thing was solved in a very polite amicable manner.


Other than that I was involved in more chats than I usually am. I am usually rather withdrawn, maybe even shy, but people seemed to feel entertained by me that night.

It also resulted in me approaching you know whom, just to exchange a few words with him and letting him know he did a good job and that I enjoyed the show.

There was not a TRACE of hostility, animosity or quarrels there, but it was an unusual experience for me, as the several bits of communication were so straightforward, and Idid not feel a little bit shy and acted uncharacteristically confident, without really caring too much what others might be thinking of it.


So that was a pretty positive experience with the 5 of swords.

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Twirl
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posted March 19, 2014 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I had a surprising experience with this one.

Other than that I was involved in more chats than I usually am. I am usually rather withdrawn, maybe even shy, but people seemed to feel entertained by me that night.

It also resulted in me approaching you know whom, just to exchange a few words with him and letting him know he did a good job and that I enjoyed the show.

There was not a TRACE of hostility, animosity or quarrels there, but it was an unusual experience for me, as the several bits of communication were so straightforward, and Idid not feel a little bit shy and acted uncharacteristically confident, without really caring too much what others might be thinking of it.


So that was a pretty positive experience with the 5 of swords.


Thanks Ceri!
That's exactly what I mean and/or suspected. So it is different then the usual behaviour, so something has been overcome to get to this point. So it's like a decision made (This will be different this time) and/or doing something which is clearly out of the comfort zone, but it's gooddd!!

Thanks

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posted March 19, 2014 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Twirl:
Thanks Ceri!
That's exactly what I mean and/or suspected. So it is different then the usual behaviour, so something has been overcome to get to this point. So it's like a decision made (This will be different this time) and/or doing something which is clearly out of the comfort zone, but it's gooddd!!

Thanks


Yes, to all of that.

A decision was being made (*I* was the one who was calling the shots so to speak, had to speak up, get active etc. - though the other people were surprisingly responsive to that).

And yes, it meant leaving my comfort zone, it also meant to be "sticking out", and yes, maybe I have had competition I was not even really aware of.

That evening thre was just no question where the spotlight, the centre of the action was. It was surprisingly not with any of the actors, but for some weird reason it was where I was.

With the exception of you know who pretty much every of the actors was coming up to my table or directing a few words to me or making a remark about what I had been doing, and I noticed one young guy (too young for me. lol) circling the table, as if to actually wanting to draw my attention.
I just noticed that attentiveness though when he was pretty much jumping to where my jacket had accidentally fallen to the ground and he was handing it back to me. And afterwards I sort of noticed that he was more or less walking in circles around my/ our table.

Of course you know who had taken a comfortable observational spot. Comfortable for everyone EXCEPT me, as he was - once again- standing right in my back. lol

But it was fun, it was an entertaining night for me.
Though of course I don`t know. There might have been some girls there who didn`t quite *like* me too much. But if so, I did not really pay attention to them.

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Jessica2407
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posted March 20, 2014 01:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've had the same experience with the 7 of swords lately..

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littlecloud
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posted March 21, 2014 01:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I remember the 5 of swords coming up in another thread (not the one linked here) and I offered an interp similar to what you describe and I vaguely remember you (Twirl) saying that was a good alternative view.

One of my decks actually interprets it as a solution needing to be found elsewhere. It says:

"Sometimes the only way to figure out what to do about something is to go over it thoroughly, considering every angle and aspect. You may do this on your own or with others. It has been said that the only way to get the right answer is to ask the right question. If you ask enough questions in relation to your problem, you will eventually find the right answer."

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Twirl
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posted March 21, 2014 02:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, couldn't find it. Did not come up on the search machine... On page 65 however is thd topic I was looking for... http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/007668.html

Don't think it's the one you mean though, LC. Sorry if I 'nicked' your interp of the card & internalized it somehow..
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@jess: I don't read the 7 always as a negative, but can imagine the switch. This '5' I always finds challenging to interpret. Sometimes it's like a meaning doesn't 'land'. I have a few more on my list like the 9 of swords.,

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posted March 21, 2014 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No worries Twirl. :-)

In a particular deck of mine I associate this card with sexual abuse.

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Jessica2407
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posted March 24, 2014 01:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hey Twirl,

Have had it with the 5 of swords too. I have to look it up in my tarot journal. I know the 5 of pentacles is the card that signifies regrets but I got it with the 5 of swords too, but not in a bad way,like they want to win but not in the conventional way and almost regret not being able to or is too much for them to give. The swords come to me in a slightly different tone...duh, hope am making sense..

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Twirl
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posted March 26, 2014 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, that makes sense. Having it come up that way. I wonder about the real regret though, because the underlying energy in my opinion is: "I will beat that MF/will get this done, however way I find". And/or if defeated I would expect a sense of failure being present, but then there's real loss & no other options then to luck those wounds.
Was there another card combo in the mix? Or would it be more like a surrender?

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posted March 26, 2014 09:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
5 of cups is more "regret" for me. But maybe that's more emotion based? Similar to guilt... I can see the 5 of swords as "regret I didn't get my way", like letting a salesman get the upper hand. But that plays back to the whole power play ideal.

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posted March 28, 2014 02:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Twirl:
Yeah, that makes sense. Having it come up that way. I wonder about the real regret though, because the underlying energy in my opinion is: "I will beat that MF/will get this done, however way I find". And/or if defeated I would expect a sense of failure being present, but then there's real loss & no other options then to luck those wounds.
Was there another card combo in the mix? Or would it be more like a surrender?

I used to get ( I still actually) King of pentacles, 2 of cups, or the sun.

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