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quietstorm Knowflake Posts: 125 From: Registered: Feb 2014
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posted May 27, 2014 08:42 AM
If anyone has an insight on this?Does 3 of swords always represent 3 people involved? I got 3 of swords + page of swords(clarifying card) as feelings toward/about me. Thanks. IP: Logged |
KarkaQueen Knowflake Posts: 3668 From: Uranus Registered: May 2011
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posted May 27, 2014 09:36 AM
They have bad memories and are upset due to a break-up or separation that happened between the both of you. They can't stop thinking about it and their approaches are rather very immature.IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius Knowflake Posts: 5606 From: Registered: Aug 2010
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posted May 27, 2014 09:48 AM
Three swords piercing a heart; cloud and rain behind. Divinatory Meanings: Removal, absence, delay, division, rupture, dispersion, and all that the design signifies naturally, being too simple and obvious to call for specific enumeration. Reversed: Mental alienation, error, loss, distraction, disorder, confusion. For a woman, the flight of her lover. Reversed: A meeting with one whom the Querent has compromised; also a nun.
The Golden Dawn title for this card is 'Sorrow'. Of all the Swords, the Three most simply represents pain and heartbreak. Yet, for all its gloom, the picture brings a certain calm in the symmetry of its swords. To true sorrow we can make only one response -take the pain into our hearts, accept it and go beyond it. The Nine raised the question of how to continue after a great anguish. The Three tells us that we must not push the pain away from us, but somehow take it deep inside until it becomes transformed by courage and love. Once, in a reading for myself, after a death in my family, the Three of Swords came up crossed by the Three of Cups. At first I thought this meant setting joy and friendship against sorrow. Two cards of the same number, however, often mean a transformation. And the crossing card often emerges from the first in some way. Looking deeper into the reading, I saw the two as connected, not opposed. Acceptance and love can turn pain into joyful memory, an embracing of life.
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quietstorm Knowflake Posts: 125 From: Registered: Feb 2014
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posted May 27, 2014 02:25 PM
Thanks for your insight Karkaqueen and venusdisirius. ![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/smile.gif) When I was doing research on the cards online: I came across mostly Love triangle and immature, for page of swords.It will take me some time to learn to piece all the cards together, lol. IP: Logged |
quietstorm Knowflake Posts: 125 From: Registered: Feb 2014
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posted May 27, 2014 02:27 PM
oops dp.. sorry!IP: Logged |
andstuff Knowflake Posts: 2568 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted May 28, 2014 05:09 AM
@Venus: hey obvs I am familiar with all the golden dawn stuff, I was just curious what you think of this whole existential humiliation underlying 3 swords experiences. Surely there is nothing positive about them? Plus why do you think some people have to experience them while others never encounter them? @quietstorm: sorry for asking in your thread, hope you don't mind IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius Knowflake Posts: 5606 From: Registered: Aug 2010
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posted May 28, 2014 11:34 AM
quote: Originally posted by andstuff: @Venus: hey obvs I am familiar with all the golden dawn stuff, I was just curious what you think of this whole existential humiliation underlying 3 swords experiences. Surely there is nothing positive about them? Plus why do you think some people have to experience them while others never encounter them?
Hello there! A fine philosophical curveball you threw at me! I am sunbathing, woman. My mind is full of sunshine. ![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/biggrin.gif) So let's us begin - (and if anything sounds as a platitude, it's not, trust me, I know these cards well) existential humiliation, further know as EH - I love what you did there. What do I think about it? It's the risk I take. If I am going to dance with III Empress (love, desire, creation), I will lend myself vulnerable. 3 of Swords is one of the aspects of Empress, and as such, there's no control damage. I'll have to storm through it. Obviously, this is something that I've learnt. The present moment of 3oS is hell. But since it is my choice, I can't really complain (again the wiser, retrospective me. The present me was not pretty). - So, when I arrive at the point of EH, well, at least something is achieved (moved away from Empress to Hanged Man). EH is the playground of XII Hanged Man (12 reduces down to 3). The company promised by 3oS/P/C/W was taken to a whole different level. There you are, just trying to be who you are and external **** gets thrown at you, OMG the bastardds have hanged you. - At some point you arrive to XXI World. You can chill from here on... But I think those who chose Empress once, will chose her again. It's not like drug. It's more like the air you breathe, necessary and transparent. Why do some people experience this and the others don't? 1) I can't know that for sure, because I can't know them for sure. I think the inherent problem with 3s is that we are truly alone (I can't feel your feels, I can't think your thoughts etc) and the company is essential part of 3 experience. It's about them testing you and next to them is it a proper trial to keep up one's individuality. So, for all intents and purposes they may are as well suffering as I am. 2) They only appear to not experience EH- and when in fact they do,just they drill a different kind of life. Like II High Priestess - XI Justice - XX Judgement or VII Chariot - XVI Tower. A different coating, same flesh. I used to say I don't use reversals because I don't believe there's absolutely positive or negative card. I still don't use the reversals, but I don't struggle to find black and white duplicity to the cards. So, at the present/future moment when you face 3oS I don't have anything positive to say.
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VenusDiSirius Knowflake Posts: 5606 From: Registered: Aug 2010
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posted May 28, 2014 11:35 AM
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littlecloud Moderator Posts: 3044 From: Registered: Nov 2010
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posted May 28, 2014 11:06 PM
What is existential humiliation?IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius Knowflake Posts: 5606 From: Registered: Aug 2010
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posted May 29, 2014 03:42 AM
It's andstuff's coinage for deeply harrowing experiences that involve 3 of Swords. The ones that cut so finely, you suddenly don't have much to fall back on. They get to you so much, you start questioning yourself. IP: Logged |
Jessica2407 Moderator Posts: 4805 From: Saturn Registered: Sep 2012
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posted May 29, 2014 03:43 AM
quote: Originally posted by littlecloud: What is existential humiliation?
I wondered the same thing.. It just didn't quite make sense to me. Sounds like an 8 of swords kinda word... IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius Knowflake Posts: 5606 From: Registered: Aug 2010
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posted May 29, 2014 03:47 AM
quote: Originally posted by Jessica2407: Sounds like an 8 of swords kinda word...
8 of Swords is your own doing. 3 of Swords is inflicted by the others. IP: Logged |
Jessica2407 Moderator Posts: 4805 From: Saturn Registered: Sep 2012
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posted May 29, 2014 03:51 AM
I know.I was referring to the word - existential humiliation. Sounds like an 8 of sword word to me. That's what came to my mind. IP: Logged |
Jessica2407 Moderator Posts: 4805 From: Saturn Registered: Sep 2012
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posted May 29, 2014 03:53 AM
Hmm I don't quite agree that 8 of swords is about your own doing and 3 of swords being inflicted by others.. IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius Knowflake Posts: 5606 From: Registered: Aug 2010
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posted May 29, 2014 04:02 AM
quote: Originally posted by Jessica2407: Hmm I don't quite agree that 8 of swords is about your own doing and 3 of swords being inflicted by others..
After the transitional phase of 6 of Swords, the Sword person is alone. It doesn't imply that no one else is involved but it does imply a great deal of autonomy. 3 is where you meet the world around you. At 8 you've been out and about for quite some time, you're a big boy/girl at that point. At 3, you're still a fresh thing; your thoughts are raw, and when it hurts, it hurts so so much. First cuts and all. 8 of Swords is fear. You are the source of that fear. It's just you with your fear. Obviously, the applied meanings can vary, and depend on the surrounding cards - yes, maybe the person in 8 of Swords was really tied by something external,but that's cards at their literal; I am talking about the universal meanings. The Swords and Wands suits denote the action one willingly takes. Everything goes back to you. I can't look at them and go "well, this is not your fault" for example. IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius Knowflake Posts: 5606 From: Registered: Aug 2010
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posted May 29, 2014 04:14 AM
These cards resonate to my musings (the author of the deck has her own thoughts,too) - IP: Logged |
andstuff Knowflake Posts: 2568 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted May 29, 2014 09:56 AM
quote: Originally posted by VenusDiSirius: 8 of Swords is your own doing. 3 of Swords is inflicted by the others.
![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/thumbsup.gif) I'm sure one couldn't agree with you more regarding this! I'd say 8 swords stems from one's own incompatibility with a certain situation resulting in an incapacity to deal therewith, whereas 3 swords is defs external and happens irrespective of one's nature. ****************** PLUS, having read your reply in the first place, thank you so much for posting it! it was sheer bliss to read something as thouroughly unamateuristic as this so, for you it always leads to wisdom? does there have to be a cycle, in the course of which one loses all things held dear? can't one just freeze in Empress or something? IP: Logged |
andstuff Knowflake Posts: 2568 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted May 29, 2014 10:03 AM
quote: Originally posted by littlecloud: What is existential humiliation?
Hey littlecloud, hope you're fine? ![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/wink.gif) You have to forgive me, because I am super-rubbish at philosophy, zero professional expertise. What I was referring to is this: According to one school of thought one's existence is essentially a result of what one's being is, so what one is cut out for kind of finds one and happens to one. So by humiliation I was referring to experiences that make one doubt one's being, judging by circustances that befall. If one can't hold onto/have awesome stuff, like surely one is not that awesome. This kind of line of thinking at any rate. Sorry if it makes little sense ![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/frown.gif) IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius Knowflake Posts: 5606 From: Registered: Aug 2010
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posted May 29, 2014 11:51 AM
andstuff, I am still new to all this, you know that right? Thank you, that's so kind. Not wisdom, Empress doesn't care for that. World is the as real as it gets, creation at its peak, Saturn. It's like Saturn's exaltation. You can't be stuck, dude, you'd get bored eventually. ![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/laugh.gif) IP: Logged |