posted May 27, 2014 08:42 AM            

Does 3 of swords always represent 3 people involved?
I got 3 of swords + page of swords(clarifying card) as feelings toward/about me.

posted May 27, 2014 09:48 AM            

For a woman, the flight of her lover. Reversed: A meeting with one whom the Querent has compromised; also a nun.

posted May 28, 2014 11:34 AM            

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Originally posted by andstuff:
@Venus: hey obvs I am familiar with all the golden dawn stuff, I was just curious what you think of this whole existential humiliation underlying 3 swords experiences. Surely there is nothing positive about them? Plus why do you think some people have to experience them while others never encounter them?

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Hello there! A fine philosophical curveball you threw at me! I am sunbathing, woman. My mind is full of sunshine.

So let's us begin - (and if anything sounds as a platitude, it's not, trust me, I know these cards well)

existential humiliation, further know as EH

- I love what you did there. What do I think about it? It's the risk I take. If I am going to dance with III Empress (love, desire, creation), I will lend myself vulnerable. 3 of Swords is one of the aspects of Empress, and as such, there's no control damage. I'll have to storm through it. Obviously, this is something that I've learnt. The present moment of 3oS is hell. But since it is my choice, I can't really complain (again the wiser, retrospective me. The present me was not pretty).

- So, when I arrive at the point of EH, well, at least something is achieved (moved away from Empress to Hanged Man). EH is the playground of XII Hanged Man (12 reduces down to 3). The company promised by 3oS/P/C/W was taken to a whole different level. There you are, just trying to be who you are and external **** gets thrown at you, OMG the bastardds have hanged you.

- At some point you arrive to XXI World. You can chill from here on... But I think those who chose Empress once, will chose her again. It's not like drug. It's more like the air you breathe, necessary and transparent.

Why do some people experience this and the others don't?

1) I can't know that for sure, because I can't know them for sure. I think the inherent problem with 3s is that we are truly alone (I can't feel your feels, I can't think your thoughts etc) and the company is essential part of 3 experience. It's about them testing you and next to them is it a proper trial to keep up one's individuality. So, for all intents and purposes they may are as well suffering as I am.

2) They only appear to not experience EH- and when in fact they do,just they drill a different kind of life. Like II High Priestess - XI Justice - XX Judgement or VII Chariot - XVI Tower. A different coating, same flesh.

posted May 29, 2014 03:43 AM            

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Originally posted by littlecloud:
What is existential humiliation?

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I wondered the same thing..

It just didn't quite make sense to me.

posted May 29, 2014 03:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:

Sounds like an 8 of swords kinda word...

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posted May 29, 2014 04:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
Hmm I don't quite agree that 8 of swords is about your own doing and 3 of swords being inflicted by others..

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After the transitional phase of 6 of Swords, the Sword person is alone. It doesn't imply that no one else is involved but it does imply a great deal of autonomy.

3 is where you meet the world around you. At 8 you've been out and about for quite some time, you're a big boy/girl at that point. At 3, you're still a fresh thing; your thoughts are raw, and when it hurts, it hurts so so much. First cuts and all.

8 of Swords is fear. You are the source of that fear. It's just you with your fear.

Obviously, the applied meanings can vary, and depend on the surrounding cards - yes, maybe the person in 8 of Swords was really tied by something external,but that's cards at their literal; I am talking about the universal meanings.

posted May 29, 2014 09:56 AM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
8 of Swords is your own doing. 3 of Swords is inflicted by the others.

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I'm sure one couldn't agree with you more regarding this! I'd say 8 swords stems from one's own incompatibility with a certain situation resulting in an incapacity to deal therewith, whereas 3 swords is defs external and happens irrespective of one's nature.

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PLUS, having read your reply

in the first place, thank you so much for posting it! it was sheer bliss to read something as thouroughly unamateuristic as this

posted May 29, 2014 10:03 AM            

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Originally posted by littlecloud:
What is existential humiliation?

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Hey littlecloud, hope you're fine?

You have to forgive me, because I am super-rubbish at philosophy, zero professional expertise.

What I was referring to is this:

According to one school of thought one's existence is essentially a result of what one's being is, so what one is cut out for kind of finds one and happens to one.

So by humiliation I was referring to experiences that make one doubt one's being, judging by circustances that befall. If one can't hold onto/have awesome stuff, like surely one is not that awesome.

posted May 29, 2014 11:51 AM            

I am still new to all this, you know that right? Thank you, that's so kind.

Not wisdom, Empress doesn't care for that. World is the as real as it gets, creation at its peak, Saturn. It's like Saturn's exaltation.