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Topic: Lenormand discussion
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jollyaries Knowflake Posts: 100 From: Registered: Jun 2014
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posted July 14, 2014 12:39 PM
Star, I’m not exactly sure, but the light side of the Clouds appears to be positioned at the right side of the card, that is it’s left of the Snake. The storm looks like it’s heading toward the Mouse card. Anyways, guess what happened today?? Lol, the deck arrived this morning!! I think I didn’t phrased my question correctly, and that’s why the cards were so negative. Yesterday was Sunday, so we were still in “this week” (now it‘s last week). If I had asked, “Will I receive my new deck next week?” instead, the cards might have predicted the outcome accurately. Once again I understood the importance of phrasing questions well. It is very important for the success of the reading. Ceridwen, Mice-Anchor-Sun could mean that an all day lasting stress will be prevented by happiness or some pleasurable activity. And for your 5 line spread, a man’s crossroads of emotions will be luckily unlocked? This really does look promising! IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14931 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted July 14, 2014 01:27 PM
Jolly,you are so right about phrasing right. It frustrates me sometimes, caus eI don`t always hone in the first time what the real question is. "Ceridwen, Mice-Anchor-Sun could mean that an all day lasting stress will be prevented by happiness or some pleasurable activity." Well so far the stress is lasting. lol no glorious success as of now. Well my tarot card of the day was the 3 of swords. Go figure!
However I can feel a bit of that negativity ease off, just because I am fed up with the negativity. Who wants to annoy me, can kiss my a**. "And for your 5 line spread, a man’s crossroads of emotions will be luckily unlocked? This really does look promising!" I like your interpretation!
Interestingly, though I was not aware of it as of then, this guy obviously has decided to go back into avoidance/ ignorance mode (and yes I probably exaggerate making too much a fuss about nothing really). I can`t figure him out. I mean he admitted to be attracted to me, and then the day later was "liking" my comment on his fb about the show. But now returned back to ignoring me, well I commented on something on there yesterday, which was pretty much the first time after a month I did that, but the whole thing is just so weird. And though that has been weird for YEARS, I finally am fed up with that, and want us to have at least a normal performer-fan-connection. God, is that really so difficult? Anyway, pushing that aside, I was asking today about my love life in the next month and august and specifically if I was going to meet someone.
I got Key - man - rider - tree - ring I had to laugh about that, the rider as a focus card. lol Not sure what the tree and the ring mean in the future there. IP: Logged |
jollyaries Knowflake Posts: 100 From: Registered: Jun 2014
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posted July 14, 2014 11:52 PM
For Key-Man-Rider-Trees-Ring, my interpretation is; with a certain man (this is someone you know or someone key in your life) who has the qualities of the Rider in terms of physical and prominent characteristics and whose spiritual side is strong (the Trees), there will be a definite linkage (Key-Ring, mirroring technique) next month. This could be a more than usual connection, or the first steps of a deeply-rooted relationship (Trees-Ring). But these are just possibilities in the “now”. I believe that our readings reflect the energies of now, and at any time depending on our actions these energies take new shapes and either support the previous energies stronger or create a whole another futures. I hope I’m making sense here? So after a highly motivating reading such as this one, if you do not act and work on helping these possibilities manifest with your supportive actions without stressing or worrying on the result, and instead wait for another month just to write a comment on something he posts in fb, it’s not very likely that an outcome you desire will take effect. Lol, don’t torture yourself. Why wait a month?? Forget what he told you before, don’t dwell or think about it. I’m sensing that after years of nothing what he said to you affected you deeply and now you don’t feel comfortable to contact him as frequently as before? Forgetting that experience for the time being and comfortably, like a normal friend, writing to him more often can evoke ample conversation opportunity between you two. Maybe in one of those casual conversations he might open up to you again! IP: Logged |
St@r2013 Knowflake Posts: 1237 From: Registered: Jun 2013
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posted July 15, 2014 12:15 AM
Do you find the ring to signify work? Yesterday for my daily spread I got - birds + ring + ship -- I guess I was talking about work and then took public transport home (usually I walk home ) Today I left work early and looked at three cards for today and got tree + ring + garden. Tree for health issues and garden cause I've made an appointment with my doctor. What's with the ring? Work? IP: Logged |
jollyaries Knowflake Posts: 100 From: Registered: Jun 2014
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posted July 15, 2014 01:51 PM
Star, the Ring card does not symbolize work. Some say the Fox is the work card, and others say the work card is the Anchor. Noone seems to be sure about this. In daily drawings, the Birds either indicates stresses in everyday life or telephone calls. So, Birds-Ring-Ship could mean stressing over or having lots of telephone calls and talking about commercial contracts, agreements (Ring-Ship). This may even be about international ship logistics. In Trees-Ring-Garden combination, I think the Ring itself is the appointment. You’re agreeing with your doctor or his/her assistant on a date and time, when to have the meeting (Ring-Garden). IP: Logged |
St@r2013 Knowflake Posts: 1237 From: Registered: Jun 2013
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posted July 15, 2014 05:08 PM
quote: Originally posted by jollyaries: Star, the Ring card does not symbolize work. Some say the Fox is the work card, and others say the work card is the Anchor. Noone seems to be sure about this. In daily drawings, the Birds either indicates stresses in everyday life or telephone calls. So, Birds-Ring-Ship could mean stressing over or having lots of telephone calls and talking about commercial contracts, agreements (Ring-Ship). This may even be about international ship logistics. In Trees-Ring-Garden combination, I think the Ring itself is the appointment. You’re agreeing with your doctor or his/her assistant on a date and time, when to have the meeting (Ring-Garden).
Hey jollyaries, I know the ring doesn't traditionally symbolize work but I tried to make sense of it according to my days - my other conclusion is commitment ... "Birds-Ring-Ship could mean stressing over or having lots of telephone calls and talking about commercial contracts, agreements (Ring-Ship). This may even be about international ship logistics. " No, I didn't make any telephone calls or was stressing over contracts/agreements and nothing about international logistics. For me birds signify gossip. While mice are stress and worry. And like I said for me on that day - I guess I was gossiping at work and in the evening took public transport home (ship). I think if I look at ring as commitment then my second spread makes sense, like you said tree + ring + garden = made a commitment to my health to have an appointment (garden) with the doctor. Thanks! IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14931 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted July 16, 2014 05:19 AM
Jolly, "For Key-Man-Rider-Trees-Ring, my interpretation is; with a certain man (this is someone you know or someone key in your life) who has the qualities of the Rider in terms of physical and prominent characteristics and whose spiritual side is strong (the Trees), there will be a definite linkage (Key-Ring, mirroring technique) next month." This sounds promising.
"So after a highly motivating reading such as this one, if you do not act and work on helping these possibilities manifest with your supportive actions without stressing or worrying on the result, and instead wait for another month just to write a comment on something he posts in fb, it’s not very likely that an outcome you desire will take effect." LOL
You are very right about that. I don´t intend to back down now. Well not pushing the thing really, but I am done with the hiding away. Time for a new approach. Not really thinking anythings going to come out of fb, but right now I am looking forward to the open air in about 10 days. Despite the mice in the spread I did. Well maybe I should redo the spread, cause my attitude and feelings somehow have changed overnight. lol Well, my daily spread is less than positive Mountain - Bird - Mice it doesn`t fit the cheerful feeling I have inside as of now, but we will see. "now you don’t feel comfortable to contact him as frequently as before?" I never really contacted him before, not on facebook at least, not really. As a matter of fact last time we had a chat and I was congratulating him and the crew on making such a good engaging show despite the chaos ensuing around it, which had me almost not come, but i was glad I gave the show a chance (the tour of this musical was a DESASTER, with almost every show being cancelled on short notice, technical failure and everything organisational around it, up to the fact, as I learned afterwards, that the actors haven`t even been payed at the end of the tour, when it was cancelled for good - funnily I visited pretty much the only show on the whole tour that went totally smoothly). Anyway after I was congratulating him and the crew on that, he told me to "spread the word on facebook", and well I had to admit I wasn`t even that active on facebook, which I wasn`t at that time. In fact I only started to USE my account this march or so, actually made a new one. lol So it really is a new approach for me. Ah and yes, now I am waiting for the Mountain and Mice squeeze and nibble at the birds. Oh no
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14931 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted July 16, 2014 05:26 AM
So I did that spread on the open air in 10 days again.Bear - Stars - Dog - tree - garden Usually I am highly suspsicious of doing spreads again (not desparate for a different answer, am I? ), but in this case, I think it might fit. The location where it is being held is surrounded by the most marvellous trees, which I noticed even when I was there for the first time. And also it is a public event after all, so the garden makes sense here.
Not sure it really describes HOW the emotional experience will e for me, or just the location of it itself. lol Was also doing a spread on how seeing him on that open air would be, actually the specific question was: "how will the encounter with him turn out?" (of course I do not even know if there will be an encounter :laughing
Anyway I just wanted to share this spread as well, cause it is so nice to look at. lily - letter - heart - bouquet - storks.
Of course maybe my cards just gave me that, because they wanted me to stop asking. lol
They felt different while shuffling, too, very soft, flexible and warm, even tingly. I am amazed as how different card can *feel*, sometimes they feel very rigid and cold, and I know then it is time to put them away and give it a rest. I put more faith into the readings if I had that flexible feeling during shuffling before somehow.
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littlecloud Moderator Posts: 3275 From: Registered: Nov 2010
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posted July 16, 2014 01:51 PM
So I haven't read the thread up to this point, it just grew to fast for me to keep up with it. But since it says "Lenormand discussion" I had a thought I wanted to throw out there; The Cross and chiron. So we all know how chiron in astrology is seen as the wounded healer, well is that similar to the Cross in Lenormand? I often see it as a "cross to bear" but couldn't it also mean salvation? That a struggle is ultimately worth it? IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14931 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted July 16, 2014 01:58 PM
Yes, it might be so. It seems to denote painful experiences and suffering. However I have also seen it considered as being a karmic card and one of destiny (usually the card following the cross is the destined one).I have JUST this minute read this here: "The overall feeling is burdensome, but also “fated” like a test. Whatever falls directly before the Cross will always cease or become less important, whereas the card after begins of greater importance." http://boroveshengra.com/card-theory-by-andybc/small-lenormand-theory/ I will let you know though. Cause I was doing a "small universal spread" (am reading the books by Kathleen Bergman currently. Great books, just have to reverse the direction in which she reads in my head). Anyway so I was of course doing a spread for myself. And in the future (there are actually 3 combination-lines for future, and this was the middle-one) the combination of CROSS-OWLS came up. So I think what it is directed to and what is fated is in the OWLS - which seems to have a vast range of interpretation. lol From worries over trips and the "two" and communication/ chats to changes. So we will see EDIT: Personally I think this might maybe relate to fated/ long overdue conversations, which will not be easy. especiall with the first future combination being CLOUDS-SCYTHE (the need to cut through confusion and doubts, leading up to these overdue communication?) Well the last future line consists of TREE-HOUSE And I pulled a last card (you can do that for clarifying the outcome) and I think it needs to be read with the first significator card (she writes that the significator card pretty much dictates the outcome, no matter what else is going on - the others seem to be more about the PROCESS, and this significator card along with the possibly last card, is the outcome. Well in this instance it is HEART-LILY with the subconscious influence (what I am not aware of) of SHIP. IP: Logged |
littlecloud Moderator Posts: 3275 From: Registered: Nov 2010
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posted July 16, 2014 02:31 PM
So what if you get something like Clover-Choice-Cross (3 c's! Interesting!) do you pull another card after the cross? I usually do 3 card spreads. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14931 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted July 16, 2014 03:03 PM
I guess you could yes. Or just leave it at that, knowing that even though the decision you have to make, may be painful, it is destined. Maybe you are not even meant to know what the outcome of it would be. IP: Logged |
littlecloud Moderator Posts: 3275 From: Registered: Nov 2010
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posted July 16, 2014 05:13 PM
If was a question of what someone wants. Edit: I wanted to add, what about the idea of sacrifice? It doesn't mean an end, more like a change or possibly a compromise? I'm just throwing ideas out there...
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jollyaries Knowflake Posts: 100 From: Registered: Jun 2014
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posted July 18, 2014 03:34 PM
Ceridwen, Yay to your new approach! And I really think you should do another spread about that event. Since you’ve decided to change your attitude towards the situation, the cards may reflect a new possibility now. One that doesn’t involve the Mice! Lol. Oh, just saw your latter post. Bear-Stars-Dog-Trees-Garden. Whew! No Mice. Reading in pairs, a big (the Bear) public event (Bear-Garden, mirroring) being held at outdoor full of trees (Star-Trees, mirroring) and under a starry night sky (the Star) with many spiritual friendly people (Dog-Trees). Are you going with friends? Maybe the dog is indicating that. Your other 5 line spread; Lilies-Letter-Heart-Flowers-Storks, in the context of your question, speaks to me that there will be love messages or words exchanged (Letter-Heart) about feelings which has been going on (the Lilies) inside both of you for some time now and this will lead to another invitation (Letter-Flowers, mirroring), and afterwards you will experience a happy change (Flowers-Storks) in your life. Lilies-Storks confirms that the changes will be caused by a man. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14931 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted July 18, 2014 03:46 PM
quote: Originally posted by littlecloud: If was a question of what someone wants. Edit: I wanted to add, what about the idea of sacrifice? It doesn't mean an end, more like a change or possibly a compromise? I'm just throwing ideas out there...
Hmm, but the idea of sacrifice is about something having to end, isn´t it? Maybe not the whole relationship, but something is going to be sacrificed. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14931 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted July 19, 2014 06:57 AM
Jolly, thank you for the interpretation. "Reading in pairs, a big (the Bear) public event (Bear-Garden, mirroring) being held at outdoor full of trees (Star-Trees, mirroring) and under a starry night sky (the Star) with many spiritual friendly people (Dog-Trees). " This one seems to be on spot. This is exactly the surrounding it will take place in. But no, I am not going with friends. Though the dog keeps on popping up in readings. Funny enough a few days ago he put up a picture of his dog on his twitter, and his dog looks almost the same as the one on my Gilded lenny deck. As for the other spread, it is a spread to dream of! And that is exactly the problem I have with it. I don`t trust its validity, but getting the feeling it might be influcenced by some subconscious wishes on my behalf, maybe?
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jollyaries Knowflake Posts: 100 From: Registered: Jun 2014
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posted July 19, 2014 01:18 PM
Yeah, maybe. But if you’re sure that when you were drawing the cards, you were completely detached from the result, then there’s a high possibility that the reading can become a reality! You guys have chance to come together after the event and talk?? I believe if you catch him alone somewhere and start a casual conversation about the event or just his performance on stage, this can develop into a serious talk where you exchange your feelings to each other. What do you think? Or maybe after that talk, you ‘ll understand that this relationship will go no further other than a friendship, and you will choose to let go of it. And this is going to be your happy change, because you’ll be content with your decision afterwards?? If I were you I wouldn’t do any more spread about this question, because this would only create confusion. Try to have that small talk after the concert if you can and see what happens. By the way, is he a Libra influenced person? IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14931 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted July 19, 2014 01:41 PM
No, I am not completely sure I was detached from the result. Anyway, probably no occasion to talk to him after the event either; and no he is not a Libra-influenced person. I do think however eventually we will have a chat in one way or another. As for the "just friends" scenario, that is the reasonable thought, and I am okay with it. Sure I feel an attraction to him, but I understand the limitations.
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jollyaries Knowflake Posts: 100 From: Registered: Jun 2014
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posted July 19, 2014 01:52 PM
How does the rest of the night look like? Fox-Coffin-Stork Ugh!! Fox-Coffin. Hmm, ending of a wrong will be followed by a change? IP: Logged |
jollyaries Knowflake Posts: 100 From: Registered: Jun 2014
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posted July 19, 2014 02:00 PM
I asked whether he was a Libra influenced person or not, because I’m trying a theory about Court cards in Lenormand and their equivalence to Zodiac signs. IP: Logged |
St@r2013 Knowflake Posts: 1237 From: Registered: Jun 2013
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posted July 19, 2014 09:38 PM
quote: Originally posted by jollyaries: How does the rest of the night look like? Fox-Coffin-Stork Ugh!! Fox-Coffin. Hmm, ending of a wrong will be followed by a change?
How did the end of the night looked like? Seemed to me to indicate a rather stagnant night, somewhat bring - noting really happened much and you went home.. but I'm wondering about that fox... how did the fox play a role in your night? IP: Logged |
jollyaries Knowflake Posts: 100 From: Registered: Jun 2014
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posted July 20, 2014 02:29 PM
Hi Star!I was already home when I did the spread and didn’t go out afterwards, so the rest of the night did in fact pass rather stagnant. The only activity I did was to watch the 2 hour film; Noah with my bf. We were online on Skype and watched it together after downloading the film to our PCs. I too was almost sure that nothing would happen related to the reading, but as I continued watching, I realized that the spread was actually manifesting itself as the film’s topic!! The greedy, violent, murderous descendants of Cain, the wrongdoers (the Fox) were washed away from the surface of the Earth by a Flood - in other words, their lives were terminated (the Coffin), and then Noah, his family and other living creatures in the Ark sailed for months on the waters, traveled very far distances until the Ark finally stopped and rested on top of a mountain (the Stork). Now, isn’t this amazing?? So, basically, my interpretation was correct yesterday. It just didn’t happen directly to me. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14931 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted July 21, 2014 04:01 AM
yes I noticed that, too. That the lennies are not always directly associated with what you personally experience, but might even highlight the content of a book you are reading or film you are watching. lol Or literal in other respects Well today`s daily spread has
Heart - book - house
A secret love at home?
Or reading a love novel at home? lol
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jollyaries Knowflake Posts: 100 From: Registered: Jun 2014
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posted July 21, 2014 12:49 PM
Ceridwen, in the original Game of Hope, which is the prototype of all Petit Lenormand decks, the Book was described as a hex (spell) book in the instructions. So, for your daily drawing, my interpretation is; esoteric studies related to love matters at home. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14931 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted July 23, 2014 04:34 AM
Yes, that was a very apt descirpiton of my day. Though I suppose that would describe most of my recent days. lol Yesterday`s spread was very apt as well.
Paths - clover - letter I woke up with a start, realizing I had forgotten to book a hotelroom for the concert in august, and this town only has 2 hotels. I checked booking-com which said they were sold out. I called them, but was put on the answering maching. So I sent a mail asking if they might still have a room. In the meantime my dad told me they had caleld back (but for some reason were being transferred to my parent`s phone). Anyway so I called them again to ask. TWO calls, right? And I made a call and wrote an email - again TWO attempts to get into contact. Anyway she told me they were being completely sold out, but for some reason we got along really well on the phone. I mean you sometimes just click even if you speak to each other for only a few minutes, and then she hesitated and said they were having one very small room on the groundfloor of the hotel. I asked her if it was having a bed, which she confirmed, adding it had a shower and toilet, as well. And so I said, I don´t mind small rooms, it is just for one night anyway and I take it. So that was the Clover I think. Then int he evening I got a mail from the owner of the hotel, out of his holidays (as I learned later on), which said they did not have any rooms left, and were completely sold out.
So I wrote a mail back to him, pretty much the ame minute I received his, I was coincidenctally online, mentioning the call and wanting confirmation what it was now with the room. Did I have it or not? He got back at me not even half an hour later, apologizing profusely, and confirming that the room was mine. So that was an apt description of an exchange of messages (letters), reeking of twoness (paths) plus I was lucky (clover).
Todays spread sais WOMAN - KEY - MAN Now THAT totally got me stumped. What is that supposed to mean? I suppose the woman is me, but key and man? lol IP: Logged | |