posted January 06, 2015 06:59 AM            

Clues about his general attitude towards me (us) right now

Two of Cups
Tower
Fool

His present thoughts/feelings about me

9 of Swords
3 of Swords
Queen of Cups

His current intentions/actions that will follow

Ace of Wands
Ace of Cups
Nine of Pentacles

Next stage between us:

Chariot
Page of Wands
Wheel of Fortune

I loved the following description of the Wheel of Fortune in love spreads (considering how much our story matches this card) and considering the combo here, with Chariot and the Page.

The Wheel of fortune turns up in the Seeker’s life to expand and lift up the seeker’s experiences. It often shows up when you least expect it and it creates amazing changes you might not even be ready for. The Tarot says to prepare for the Wheel of fortune because if you don’t it can be a stressful experience. You might feel like you have been thrown into the deep end and you are unable to be the person you always dreamt of being. The Wheel of fortune will give you success, so get rid of your beliefs and feelings about being insignificant and small. The Wheel of fortune is the card for beings successful, and in love it denotes matchmaking done by the Universe. You will not be able to plan meeting your soulmate, it will just happen in the strangest of places. You will most likely meet through what looks like fate or destiny, rather than through other people. If you are already in a relationship then the Wheel of fortune denotes you were destined to be together. The Wheel of fortune tarot card love meaning is surely a very positive card. If you are single, it is only temporary. If you don’t want a relationship and the Wheel of fortune turns up then you might meet someone you will be unable to forget. The Wheel of fortune brings you people who you might not be able to turn away from. Fear of abandonment and commitment are all beliefs and programs that will have to be dealt with before the Wheel of fortune enters your life. Write down your fears on a piece of paper and burn it in a safe place. Imagine your fears dissolve with the flames and the smoke.

With the Wheel of Fortune ends an old way of life. A part of your life if not most of your life will be completely renewed. In regards to love the Wheel of fortune tarot card says your partner will renew you. Someone will come and bring in a new way of life. Your partner might even be from a different country than you or you will move together to a new part of the world.

Most of the changes with the Wheel of fortune happens on the mental plane to bring in new people and events, even a new way to do your job. Sometimes the Wheel of fortune will push you in a completely new direction to put you around people you normally would never have met.

The Wheel of fortune describes relationships between two soulmates that are destined to be together. This is the kind of relationship that will bring you the highs and lows of human emotions, and you will make great leaps forward towards a life you could never even imagine. There are plenty of adventures waiting.

So who can translate the spread for me? Thank you!

EDIT: sorry, the first card is the TWO of Cups.

------------------

posted January 06, 2015 07:18 AM            

- non-committal

9/S + 3/S + Q/C

- dreading the possibility of hurting you (or Q/C, if this is someone else)

A/W + A/C + 9/P

- investing in himself? Minding his own pursuits and emotions, fresh start, and single status? Starting his own professional venture?

The Chariot + Page/W + Wheel of Fortune

posted January 06, 2015 07:21 AM            

NINE OF PENTACLES

DISCIPLINE
SELF-RELIANCE
REFINEMENT

ACTIONS

being disciplined
exercising self-control
showing restraint
reining in impulses
sacrificing to reach a goal
sticking to a program
taking a step-by-step approach

relying on yourself
handling the situation alone
acting on your own
falling back on your own resources
doing it all by yourself
wanting to be alone
feeling sure your way is best

pursuing refinement
achieving a comfortable lifestyle
avoiding the coarse and unsavory
being tactful and diplomatic
seeking high-minded activities
enjoying the finer things of life
remembering to be gracious
enjoying leisure

OPPOSING CARDS: Some Possibilities

Empress - earthy sensuality
Seven of Cups - being undisciplined, self-indulgent
Three of Pentacles - working in a team, doing with others

REINFORCING CARDS: Some Possibilities

Chariot - self-control, discipline
Seven of Swords - relying on yourself, acting on your own

DESCRIPTION

The woman on the Nine of Pentacles is taking a leisurely stroll through the gardens of her estate. She is clearly a lady of refinement and grace, so it is incongruous to see on her left hand a bird trained to hunt and kill on command. Falconry is an unusual hobby for a gentlewoman, but it is the key to the special nature of this card.

On one hand, the Nine of Pentacles represents all that is most gracious, high-minded and civilized. Art, music and other forms of beauty are very much part of our physical world (Pentacles). Coins are present in this scene, but they are toward the ground. The business of life is important, but we don't have to focus on practical matters all the time. We can also enjoy the finer things of life. In readings, the Nine of Pentacles can imply an interest in these areas. It is also a sign that you may need to reject the coarse or offensive and seek the highest.

The Nine of Pentacles can also be a sign of discipline and self-control. This woman enjoys her cultured life because she has mastered her baser instincts. Her impulses work for her because they do not rule her. The falcon symbolizes all that is dark and unruly in human nature. Our shadow side can serve us well, but only when it is directed. Sometimes the Nine of Pentacles suggests that you must show restraint and self-control if you are to achieve your best efforts. You may have to "sacrifice" for the moment, but the results will be worth it.

This card is also a sign of self-reliance. Sometimes you must trust our own ability to handle a situation. Resist the temptation to let others do for you. You need to take matters into your own hands. Our elegant lady has done just that. She trusted in her own grit and determination, and now she enjoys all the best life has to offer.
http://www.learntarot.com/p9.htm

posted January 06, 2015 07:22 AM            

I would definitely argue that this is the card of TF's after reading the above description if it shows up in a love spread.

Would you like me to do a Leno spread for you? It can add to the tarot reading. BTW: the Wheel of Fortune showed up in a spread about 6 months ago when I asked the question "will there be a happy ending between me and Cusp?"

posted January 06, 2015 07:34 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Page/C + The Tower + The Fool

- non-committal

9/S + 3/S + Q/C

- dreading the possibility of hurting you (or Q/C, if this is someone else)

A/W + A/C + 9/P

- investing in himself? Minding his own pursuits and emotions, fresh start, and single status? Starting his own professional venture?

The Chariot + Page/W + Wheel of Fortune

- moving towards his own vision and life complying with his desires?

---

haha no, but thanks for your input. Wow such a negative interpretation! lol So demeaning and derisory with such amazing cards. The first string is what he currently feels about what happened between us (me ending the relationship abruptly, contrary to what he wanted and what I wanted , but necessary for a needed transformation to occur). I think Tower Fool reflects that quite well, still I would have liked an interpretation of it in the context.

Obviously, considering the Two of Cups is the first card of his feelings for me and us.

The second string, a continuation to the first, shows what HE feels right now: heartbreak and longing, but I wanted more details about this I feel the same, not that I'm happy about it.

Hahaha Venus, we are really lovers, we love, you know, I think you've been doing too many readings for distant crushes/teenagers. Why assuming all relationships posted here are meaningless, casual, girls with distant crushes, teenage love? You make me feel sorry for posting this spread, really.

The next string is his current intentions towards ME, not in general

And the last string is OUR next stage together, not his.

------------------

posted January 06, 2015 07:35 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by tgem:
I wish I could interpret tarot for you but not good at that... Just wanted to say I LOVE that description of the Wheel of Fortune, I've never seen this interpretation before!!

I would definitely argue that this is the card of TF's after reading the above description if it shows up in a love spread.

Would you like me to do a Leno spread for you? It can add to the tarot reading. BTW: the Wheel of Fortune showed up in a spread about 6 months ago when I asked the question "will there be a happy ending between me and Cusp?"

Oh yeah and the Chariot! The Chariot ALWAYS seemed to pop up in spreads about us...would drive me nuts!

---

Thank you, tgem, yes, I would love that. And I will exchange for a question of your liking.

posted January 06, 2015 07:59 AM            

My first study is one that combines the tower and the fool. Of course the order in which these cards fall is very significant. If the tower comes first and the fool follows, it tells a story of the destruction or breaking apart of the status quo, whereby the fool is free and breaks away from some oppressive situation or attachment. It could be as simple as a lie that has been hidden for many years and now the truth is known. The truth has a way of freeing you. As they say, the truth will set you free.

In the case of the fool following the tower, he has likely been stripped of everything and is forced to start over. To give some real world examples, this could be a person who’s house was destroyed or burned down, but he goes on to find a better house, or he gets a large insurance settlement. It could be a person who lost his fortune in the stock market and sets out to create another fortune. In any case, he is left with nothing and has to begin again and he does so with hope and a positive attitude. He may not know the pitfalls that await him but he sets out on a new journey anyway. The bridges behind him are in shambles, and not by his own making. The tower is the natural force of karma or nature. This is not to say that the destruction was a direct act of God, but that it was a result of the law of cause and effect, which could be man made causes.

It is like a dam that breaks and floods a town. It broke because it was faulty and went against the natural flow of nature. In looking at the analogy of a dam that breaks, we see that the water now flows freely, as nature intended. The fool is swept away by the aftermath, and may find himself on some foreign shore where he begins a new life and reinvents himself.

This story comes in all variations. Here are a few examples: The company you worked for goes bankrupt and you don’t even get your last paycheck, but you strike out and find a new career. Your marriage falls apart when the truth about something is revealed and you are swept up into a different life situation and find you like it better.

The power of the tower is the power of sudden change. These are changes that are usually seen as necessary, or that follow the normal law of cause and effect. Even an earth quake happens because of earth changes and pressure building to the point of the event. These changes are very disruptive and can be explosive and destructive, but destruction is always followed by rebuilding.

The fool is the perfect card to follow the tower because the fool has energy and imagination and can pick up the pieces and rebuild. The fool can represent the state of conscious energy of an entire group or society, rebuilding things after a disaster.

Another kind of reading I do is when two cards are drawn at the same time accidentally, not one after another. This is when I “melt” the cards together as one to form a single meaning. To melt the tower and the fool is quite a different situation from the fool following the tower.

The melted meaning entangles the fool with the situation and suggests that the innocence of the fool was the actual cause that started the unraveling of the tower and shook it at its foundation like the straw that broke the camel’s back.

The negative aspects of the fool are irresponsibility, immaturity, recklessness and thoughtlessness, which also could have been the qualities that toppled the tower by some mishap. That is not always a bad thing, as in the end the changes bring about something good or better. It certainly can look very bad at the time. In any case these two cards melted, draw a picture of an innocent who is closely entangled with the status quo and all the red tape that goes with that. Like David against Goliath, one small stone brings the giant down.

Turn the cards around with the fool coming first and the story reads a little differently. Here you have a clueless or careless person being irresponsible and in doing so, he causes his own life situation to come crashing down. This is often the lesson of the fool who goes out into the world unprepared. If he survives the tower, he becomes enlightened and gains a bit of wisdom in his path down the royal road.

posted January 06, 2015 08:07 AM            

It's important to remember that all cards in this spread come in sequence, so their meaning depends on the previous and the following cards, it's a story. Here we see the feelings, and how the feelings lead to the intentions, the intentions will lead to actions (something I may consider including in the spread, but for now, I considered intentions as actions, what he will do, I didn't think an additional string is necessary for actions, it's a bit like intentions/actions) then followed by the outcome, reflected on both people, their outcome together. The actions of one of the protagonists gives only half of the outcome/next stage, but in this spread the next stage/outcome includes the actions of the other as well, or third parties, it happens nevertheless. Let's say his intentions/actions are the part he will play for that particular outcome.

------------------

posted January 06, 2015 08:16 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
haha no, but thanks for your input. Wow such a negative interpretation! lol So demeaning and derisory with such amazing cards. The first string is what he currently feels about what happened between us (me ending the relationship abruptly, contrary to what he wanted and what I wanted , but necessary for a needed transformation to occur). I think Tower Fool reflects that quite well, still I would have liked an interpretation of it in the context.

Obviously, considering the Two of Cups is the first card of his feelings for me and us.

The second string, a continuation to the first, shows what HE feels right now: heartbreak and longing, but I wanted more details about this I feel the same, not that I'm happy about it.

Hahaha Venus, we are really lovers, we love, you know, I think you've been doing too many readings for distant crushes/teenagers. Why assuming all relationships posted here are meaningless, casual, girls with distant crushes, teenage love? You make me feel sorry for posting this spread, really.

The next string is his current intentions towards ME, not in general

And the last string is OUR next stage together, not his.

---

Typo, wrote Page instead of 2/C but I knew it's 2/C, that's prediction keyboard for ya.

I don't know your story. You posted questions. The spreads are filled with individualistic cards. You have The Tower on 2/C. The Fool on The Tower. It's a nobrainer. "Freedom!"

You have 3/S on 9/S. While 9/S can represent worry about things that may happen in the future, 3/S is more... cause - consequence card, cerebral Swords suit aside.

The first 2 spreads have female presence but the 3rd doesn't : there's world of difference between those two fractions.

9/P is the ultimate 'single' card. Self-sufficient and loving it. Obviously, that could be you. I'd like it better if it were 9/P + A/C + A/W, then I could see that his intention is towards you, primarily. What I want to say is - the sequence of the cards matter. 10/S + Death isn't the same as Death + 10/S, for example.

Page, Aces - beginnings.

posted January 06, 2015 08:22 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I'm not trying to say that all crushes don't have a meaning or that teenage love is something derisory and that distant crushes don't have importance or their meaning too, so I want to reconsider this, but you answered me as if I was posting a spread about a guy I saw once, never spoke with and now asking what he feels about me. As if this is not a place for real love stories, or even the love of a lifetime, be it with heartbreak or not.

---

Worry not, I am alright! However, this post doesn't read better than the previous one, parts of which I didn't want to comment on - I cannot comprehend the level of defensiveness in either.

posted January 06, 2015 08:35 AM            

The current situation between us and what he feels about it is:
basic Tarot meanings in relationships (but I expected more, especially from you)

Two of Cups - being in love (I am with him too)
Tower Fool - that's where I wanted an insight, but one for two people who love each other, one for the a love spread starting with Two of Cups. It could be the desire to break free, it could be the truth being exposed by me, a truth he's been hiding for a long time, which led to the destruction of structures between us and in his life, about his problem and his desire to solve it, the need for a new beginning, it could be having a risky and daring attitude towards me (supported by the next cards), that's where I needed an insight.

A tarot reader seeing a feelings spread starting with Two of Cups knows love is present here, period, should know love is not the problem here.

The following string shows intense feelings, heartbreak, fear and pain for the separation...that's what the man FEELS. Basic tarot: 9 of swords - the card of heartbreak. To feel heartbreak, one needs to feel love. 3 of Swords -the second major heartbreaking pain of separation card. Queen of Cups - the card of longing, missing that feminine presence, the good times etc.

So why the twisted interpretation?

Those feelings lead to the intentions ( I repeat, his intentions towards me, what he'll do next) Ace of Wands Ace of Cups 9 of Pentacles. So he'll do a Ace of Wands and an Ace of Cups and that Queen for me (I mean it's the Empress, the Queen of Pentacles in there, I usually come up at this Queen nowadays). So that's what I wanted to know, for the love of Tarot mostly, what happens when someone pulls those two aces for me.

The rest is history.
You really made me feel like my story doesn't belong here.

------------------

posted January 06, 2015 08:38 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Typo, wrote Page instead of 2/C but I knew it's 2/C, that's prediction keyboard for ya.

I don't know your story. You posted questions. The spreads are filled with individualistic cards. You have The Tower on 2/C. The Fool on The Tower. It's a nobrainer. "Freedom!"

You have 3/S on 9/S. While 9/S can represent worry about things that may happen in the future, 3/S is more... cause - consequence card, cerebral Swords suit aside.

The first 2 spreads have female presence but the 3rd doesn't : there's world of difference between those two fractions.

9/P is the ultimate 'single' card. Self-sufficient and loving it. Obviously, that could be you. I'd like it better if it were 9/P + A/C + A/W, then I could see that his intention is towards you, primarily. What I want to say is - the sequence of the cards matter. 10/S + Death isn't the same as Death + 10/S, for example.

Page, Aces - beginnings.

The Chariot and Wheel of Fortune... Wow. Amazing. But in romantic context, with consideration to the other party? Not necessarily. Those cards scream I.

---

I'm the 9 of Pentacles in my current cards, plus 9 of Pentacles means finding a goal and showing self-restraint to achieve it, which is exactly what he's supposed to do. It is the reward following those aces.
And I strongly disagree with you that independent cards in love matters show no love, no interest. Positive independent cards in love matters are a possible marker of pursuing, with the Aces being the most ardent ones in this respect.

------------------

posted January 06, 2015 08:58 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
BTW, if anyone is interested in this spread, with Tarot or Leno, I can do it for you.

It's important to remember that all cards in this spread come in sequence, so their meaning depends on the previous and the following cards, it's a story. Here we see the feelings, and how the feelings lead to the intentions, the intentions will lead to actions (something I may consider including in the spread, but for now, I considered intentions as actions, what he will do, I didn't think an additional string is necessary for actions, it's a bit like intentions/actions) then followed by the outcome, reflected on both people, their outcome together. The actions of one of the protagonists gives only half of the outcome/next stage, but in this spread the next stage/outcome includes the actions of the other as well, or third parties, it happens nevertheless. Let's say his intentions/actions are the part he will play for that particular outcome.

---

posted January 06, 2015 09:09 AM            

Are you doing tarot or leno?

posted January 06, 2015 09:15 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Ceridwen:
oh why not?

Are you doing tarot or leno?

What do you want me to do for you? Same spread with my cards?

---

I would like to try tarot, if you don't mind. See if you see something worth noting in the spread I posted, but it's not compulsory, only if you feel like it.

EDIT: actually, Ceri, better do this spread for me and PM with your cards, thanks
------------------

posted January 06, 2015 09:18 AM            

current situation between the two (his general attitude/feelings towards it)

his feelings/thoughts about the other

his intentions/actions following them (towards the other person)

the next stage/outcome for the two of them

------------------

posted January 06, 2015 09:26 AM            

Romantic context, 2 parties, one of which being you. I think this much is obvious from your post. The rest of this is you assuming that I am assuming something.

And please don't insist on this personal aspects of my posts, my-love-is-realer-than-yours2014,for there's none. What's with this teenage bits you keep on mentioning?

Linguistically, "red" carries a meaning. "r" / "e" / "d" don't. To translate this into tarot - "2/C + XVI + 0" carries the meaning. Individually, no.

Now, you may read in sequence : this happens, that happens, like montage frames from Soviet propaganda film and your cards speak to you only and in which case, you may not reap any rewards if you ask for a 2nd opinion. And if you do ask, then be ready for the answer.

If you draw 2/C in a one card spread, then yes, this is partnership, if in a romantic context - love. 3 Card Spread is something else.

posted January 06, 2015 09:27 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:

I don't know your story. You posted questions. The spreads are filled with individualistic cards. You have The Tower on 2/C. The Fool on The Tower. It's a nobrainer. "Freedom!"

I.

---

If followed by three major love pain and longing cards lol and by those intentions towards a person, it may not be the "freedom" you're implying here. Just saying, independently from this being my spread or not.

There's also the nice connection: Two of Cups...Queen of Cups on the contemplation/feelings/thoughts part of the spread, a cycle completed, before the actional part begins.

posted January 06, 2015 09:43 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
I assumed the following -

Romantic context, 2 parties, one of which being you. I think this much is obvious from your post. The rest of this is you assuming that I am assuming something.

And please don't insist on this personal aspects of my posts, my-love-is-realer-than-yours2014,for there's none. What's with this teenage bits you keep on mentioning?

Linguistically, "red" carries a meaning. "r" / "e" / "d" don't. To translate this into tarot - "2/C + XVI + 0" carries the meaning. Individually, no.

Now, you may read in sequence : this happens, that happens, like montage frames from Soviet propaganda film and your cards speak to you only and in which case, you may not reap any rewards if you ask for a 2nd opinion. And if you do ask, then be ready for the answer.

If you draw 2/C in a one card spread, then yes, this is partnership, if in a romantic context - love. 3 Card Spread is something else.

And, no, 9/S isn't a card of heartbreak.

---

This spread is read in sequence, as a story, as I was saying...I imagined it myself, not that is an invention or anything, it's a common spread. All spreads containing a sequence of events such as feelings/intentions/outcome are read as a story, a sequence, basic tarot rule. You look at all the cards in order to interpret them (the outcome, the intentions).

Venus, I wasn't comparing our "loves" lol you and me, I only said you answered me as if you were dealing with a teenager, you dismissed a powerful love spread - for whatever reason, you alone know it in your heart, I can only imagine it - with classical intense feelings cards (out of which 9 of S, it may be depression, intense negative feelings, but they are obviously there and in combination with 3 of Swords, a clear picture for any beginner)

I know you know Tarot, I know you can distinguish between indifference cards and something going on in there, so something else was the issue here, your issue.

You can stick by your interpretation if you want: a guy not giving a **** (with Tower + Fool wow, Tower plus Fool is as life changing as one can get) and wanting to be free and alone "dreading whether to hurt me" lol what the hell was that? since those were his feelings TOWARDS ME, not in his life or in general or about himself or other persons, and wanting to open his own business hahahaha that was hilarious!(it's a love spread, for god's sake) A fake and dishonest interpretation in which I don't believe. A dismissal of one's feelings and story.

------------------

posted January 06, 2015 09:49 AM            

current situation and his feelings:
Knight of Swords - Queen of Pentacles - 4 of swords

First thought I had about this was that someone has had enough and been storming out. Maybe he wants to really be away from all this turmoil, or more positively, cut through it and solve it. With the 4 of swords as the last card it looks to me like he is in a state of doing nothing, withdrwaing, licking his wounds, not wanting to make a decision and getting active again. Time out actually.

His feelings towards you:
Highpriestess - 8 of wands - 5 of cups

A strong emotional, even spiritual bond between you, but maybe not an outspoken one. the Highpriestess can be pretty alluring in her own right. It might be that his feelings are changing now (8 of wands on the move, but whereto?), though as the arrows of love, well to me it often signifies either the jolt for freedom and liberation to get somewhere else OR the spark of attraction.
Nevertheless the thing that seems sure is that he regrets how things are between you, and he feels a lot of pain and is missing you (5 of cupse).

his actions:
King of Swords - 8 of wands - chariot

He will take back control and will get active again, very focused and determined, once he resurfaces from licking his wounds.

This could either mean he will try to reconcile with you (chariot just sais he is determined, but not into which direction it goes, towards or away from you) or he might move on with his life.

Next Stage - and I am sorry about this, so hopefully my drawing was influenced by the energy between Venus and you and more expressing that than really what is going to happen between PM and you.

3 of swords - justice - 10 of swords

If to me there ever has been a spread that spells: "It is over", then it must be this.
Even the justice card is a cutting one.

There is heartbreak, but also a clean break, possibly coming from the feeling of having been stabbed in the back.

However 10 of swords is such a drama card - it could also mean that you have to hit rock bottom to be able to rise up again.

I specifically asked about the next stage, NOT the outcome.

Maybe you will reconcile, but only after this time of anguish and heartbreak.

If my cards weren`t playing tricks on me at least.
I mean the last spread was so unthinkable negative, it makes me suspicious (too many sword cards are usually a way of my cards to tell me that I am overdoing something or something is not right).

Let`s clarify with the outcome of that stage, where it will lead to:

5 of wands - Queen of Cups - 9 of cups

I think this means you will return to at least be on speaking terms again, event hough it might come with some discussions (though personally I like the 5 of wands, it is goodnatured discussions and verbal sparring usually).

And there will be emotional contentment, if however in the frame of that relationship, I am actually not sure.

But as I said, I was not sure about this spread to begin with.

posted January 06, 2015 09:55 AM            

Pulled whip-tower to clarify Lily

Lily-stork-child OMG are you pregnant LOL?

Everything points to a new start between you two. With Lily, whip and tower as the main focus, I get a lot of sexual vibes too??