posted January 30, 2015 02:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
hihi

Okay, I got:
- magician
- ace of pentacles
- world rev

at the very first i got the feeling that R's view of the world has been shackled.
Also, he/she may have wanted to come across as the artistic/spiritual leader + wanted to receive a lot of money but both things put together don't work.
THEN: when I wanted to put the cards aside one card slipped away: *EDIT* 7 of CUPS not pentacles. Mabye R. is greedy for money & fame

at the moment I don't have any questions.

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wow look at that! I can't say I get the cards. Especially Magician and Ace of Pents. World rev is very strong, and coupled with 7 of Cups is almost a shattered dream or refusing to cope with reality.

The possible reasons for his reaction are:

intense jealousy
intense insecurity
feeling very insecure about previous competition
disappointment
not knowing where he stands with me

but which one is it? how Magician and Ace of Pents work here?

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posted January 30, 2015 02:45 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I will ask for you, Tgem.

Please ask the same question for me:

" why was R. so upset, at the end of January, after the photo session exchange?"

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posted January 30, 2015 02:46 PM            

-> i don't think that's contradictory to what I interpreted and it underlines my feelings i got (that R. is jealous)

posted January 30, 2015 02:50 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
[b] I will ask for you, Tgem.

Please ask the same question for me:

" why was R. so upset, at the end of January, after the photo session exchange?"

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Ok, the good thing here is that there was a conversation about a ship and the conflict actually started from there. But from your spread, it seems he saw this as an opportunity rather than hindrance. But to me, he behaved like being very upset.

The problem is, I still don't know what upset him so much...it's one of those moments I really want to understand.

posted January 30, 2015 02:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
intense jealousy
intense insecurity
feeling very insecure about previous competition
disappointment
not knowing where he stands with me

-> i don't think that's contradictory to what I interpreted and it underlines my feelings i got (that R. is jealous)

R. wanted to be the one (magician) and wanted money & fame (ace of pentacles & 7 of cups) but it didn't work out (world rev).

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Could it be that he wanted to be the ONLY one, but discovering there was such serious competition in the past, turned his world upside down? A jealousy reaction? Insecurity? It's not about money and fame here, it's about an ex, he saw some photos of me and other people, among which one of me and my ex. (not intentionally), among others. His reaction the next day was off the roof and he asked something like: what is my place in your life? and stuff like that. But I still don't understand why such an extreme reaction. He denied jealousy.

posted January 30, 2015 02:59 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Right..yes the clover at the end confuses me as well. I was looking at E's tarot cards and I would have expected to see the snake, fox or Bear maybe toward the end? Let me try to clarify...BRB

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posted January 30, 2015 03:05 PM            

3 of Cups
8 of Cups
5 of Wands

You can clearly see the "threesome" here, his frustration, the male competition thing.

posted January 30, 2015 03:09 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Tgem, the cards I pulled speak a lot to me. They say: in a way he was trying to "claim" you in front of your husband, it was mostly addressed to your husband, on a male competitional level. His intention was not to humiliate you, on the contrary, he was trying to cover up for his own frustration of not being able to touch you. He tried to "touch" you with words. He instinctively triggered a male competition with your husband, a form of "claiming" you

3 of Cups
8 of Cups
5 of Wands

You can clearly see the "threesome" here, his frustration, the male competition thing.

Quite astounding how the cards speak!

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posted January 30, 2015 03:10 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
How was R feeling at the end of his and Leeloo's conversation?
Tree-sun-moon
Yeah..see again, no negative cards. I think he grew very passionate and emotional toward the end of the conversation but not mad or upset...maybe some possible depression if you want to use moon to mirror tree but I thnk even that's a stretch.

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wow...how interesting! I have to think about these cards!
and you did capture the moment, the first cards are spot on, because of Ship and Birds (there was a photo on a ship)
I wonder if this doesn't say: too many birds on the same tree (competition). What chance do I have? (Clover). But Tree Moon Sun is like the IT relationship. Also wanting to have been the only one. It looks very romantic. I thought he hated my guts. I really need to think about this. It could have been just insane insecurity and jealousy.

Thank you

posted January 30, 2015 03:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
Maybe it's the wrong question: maybe u should ask "What are R's feelings towards me?"

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Thank you Enneline oh, no, that was a moment long time ago I wanted to understand. But the cards you drew I'm sure hold the whole answer, it's right in front of me, and it's probably what you said: wanting to be the only one, especially on the physical level (Ace of Pents). It's quite possible. I had this feeling too: jealous on every woman who ever touched him. Wanting to go back in our childhood and be there for him, from the beginning

How about you? No more questions tonight?

posted January 30, 2015 03:16 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
[b]Tgem, the cards I pulled speak a lot to me. They say: in a way he was trying to "claim" you in front of your husband, it was mostly addressed to your husband, on a male competitional level. His intention was not to humiliate you, on the contrary, he was trying to cover up for his own frustration of not being able to touch you. He tried to "touch" you with words. He instinctively triggered a male competition with your husband, a form of "claiming" you

3 of Cups
8 of Cups
5 of Wands

You can clearly see the "threesome" here, his frustration, the male competition thing.

Quite astounding how the cards speak!

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I'm glad you're relieved now. I am quite confident this is it, I saw the answer instantly! It's strange your husband never "defended" you, so to speak pfeeww sorry maybe I shouldn't have said that. Maybe he was trying to fight him by ignoring him. Some use this method Or maybe they did talk about this in private, who knows??

One thing is certain: I think the reason for his sexual innuendo is the one I saw

posted January 30, 2015 03:28 PM            

Ladies, good night, it has been a pleasure, as usually. This can get really interesting, we shall continue our Tarot journey. I'll think of a little list of puzzling moments in the past, you do the same!

posted January 30, 2015 04:06 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Thank you Enneline oh, no, that was a moment long time ago I wanted to understand. But the cards you drew I'm sure hold the whole answer, it's right in front of me, and it's probably what you said: wanting to be the only one, especially on the physical level (Ace of Pents). It's quite possible. I had this feeling too: jealous on every woman who ever touched him. Wanting to go back in our childhood and be there for him, from the beginning

How about you? No more questions tonight?

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Glad to help you

posted January 31, 2015 08:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
Glad to help you

hmm...I have quite difficult questions (i think)
why do I think (the sooner or later) guys are not that interested resp. why do guys think I am not interested? Why don't i often notice that guys are not interested?

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I realized how revelatory your spread and interpretation was, Enneline, tgem's too Thank you, it is enlightening.

So you have 3 questions here:
1. why you don't believe guys can actually like you
2. why you don't notice when guys are interested in you
3. why guys don't notice when you're interested

To me, it seems like the same issue, a vicious circle, all three things interconnected.

So I am going to do a single spread for this: why Enneline doesn't believe guys can actually love her (which leads to her not noticing when someone likes her and viceversa - mixed and misinterpreted signals on both sides). I will ask what is the core issue/cause for this and what is the advice/solution.

posted January 31, 2015 08:28 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I realized how revelatory your spread and interpretation was, Enneline, tgem's too Thank you, it is enlightening.

So you have 3 questions here:
1. why you don't believe guys can actually like you
2. why you don't notice when guys are interested in you
3. why guys don't notice when you're interested

To me, it seems like the same issue, a vicious circle, all three things interconnected.

So I am going to do a single spread for this: why Enneline doesn't believe guys can actually love her (which leads to her not noticing when someone likes her and viceversa - mixed and misinterpreted signals on both sides). I will ask what is the core issue/cause for this and what is the advice/solution.

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posted January 31, 2015 09:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
Sounds great Thank you

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posted January 31, 2015 12:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
Sounds great Thank you

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9 of Swords
Knight of Wands
Knight of Cups
9 of Wands

Deep wounds from the past, fear and terror (9 of Swords) have created a defensive mechanism (9 of Wands). We can see how the suitors are "engulfed", surrounded by this pattern: both Knights caught between the nines.

A little insight on the 9s in love;

"The number 9 relates to completion, fruition, integrity, idealism, the unseen realms, life review, wisdom, crystallisation, transition, the Third Eye, visionary leadership and protection."

We can see here the pattern and the life review, but being a 9, we can also see the higher protection, provided by the unseen realms.

This pattern creates the cycle you described: distorted love signals, defensiveness.

We can also see two antagonistic Tarot archetypes, the Cups man and the Wands man. There can be a confusion regarding to what a loving man is, about how to interpret male behavior when he's interested. This could come from a paternal figure who exhibited bi-polar behavior, confusing the understanding of the expression of love. An important male figure could have been a player (Wands/Cups), so there is an ingrained half-repulsion, half-attraction towards men as "seducers". The male is perceived as a goal oriented "ruthless seducer" (see the Pentacles element missing), unreliable, self-serving. So there is partly a fascination towards this, partly the fear and repulsion for such a model. Understand men and women face the same challenges in love and relationships There are no winners and losers, they can only win or loose together

The solution:

to me, it looks very connected to the issue:

4 of Pentacles (3 of Wands)
High Priestess
Emperor

Understand that it is perfectly normal to have a defensive mechanism and a TRIAL PERIOD (4 of Pents + 3 of Wands) during the initial stages of a relationship/courtship. There's no need for feeling guilty about this; there's also no need to build huuuuge defenses.

At the same time, no one can hurt you in the long term, because your intuition is very high and you will probably be one step forward, you will be the first one to notice when something goes wrong or someone is not good for you. Trust your intuition, she will protect you from being hurt and help you make the right choices in love matters (HP)

It's time to give a chance to the Emperor archetype men you encounter. Study this archetype . In turn, it's time to be like the Empress yourself and he will come to you.

posted January 31, 2015 01:21 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
So what spread game are we discussing now?

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What would you like?

I haven't found significant questions of the past yet, I wasn't in the right mood to remember the past.

I'm thinking of a wish game. It's something I used to play in the past.

Make 3 wishes...they can be secret (but specify the "domain": love, career, creativity etc.)

Then we ask the universe what is the best way/action/advice for the wish to come true. This kind of "conjuring" can be very powerful, at least with me lol The simple act of wishing can be very powerful.

Some wishes are not meant to happen, because they bring no good to you or others, it's not what you need. Sometimes Tarot shows that. But it is interesting that, even if the wish is not meant to happen, the advice will lead you, if not to the wish, to a positive replacement of the wish.

There is however something important about this "game" (and I think I forgot to add that on my Message in a Bottle thread): once you ask for guidance, you must be prepared to immediately do what it says. Otherwise, it is said to bring misfortune or at least an inner/outer disconnection.

Who wants to play?

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