posted January 17, 2015 04:49 PM            

9 of Pentacles, 5 of Cups, 4 of Wands
Hell no?

posted January 18, 2015 01:24 AM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
...falling in love?

9 of Pentacles, 5 of Cups, 4 of Wands
Hell no?

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GR
You're pretty satisfied on your own, but do have moments you seek companions you'd feel a more emotional connection with, but then again, or maybe flatmates, or like - minded people to surround yourself with.

posted January 18, 2015 07:11 AM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
It wasn't meant to be a time sequence, it's a general question.

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posted January 18, 2015 12:05 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Not sure why you think it's yes but ok...Thanks.

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posted January 18, 2015 02:18 PM            

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Originally posted by quietstorm:
The only suit that was missing were the swords. From all the other suits, you have the energy within you to express love without only seeing it as an intellectual (sword) idea. 4 wands for me is also completion, celebrating together with family and people you feel close to, surprises coming in. 5 cups(regrets, feeling like something is missing) So in a way (4 wands) is also a springboard for something more, which would be the 10 of pentacles, which is completion. You'd pulled the 9 pentacles and 4 wands, in a way it shows you looking forward to (10 Pents) having it all and very capable(possibility). Hope this makes some sense, lol. My 2 cents.

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posted January 20, 2015 09:45 AM            

Tarot cards were not intended for reading feelings or relationships or reading the future ( at least for divination, not in their role as playing cards), but for the esoteric meaning behind our life events and spiritual journey. So what we can do if we want to read about relationships with them is to apply their meaning in relationships, sorry for stating the obvious here.

9 of Pents is a success card, a big one, that kind of success we attain through personal work and patience. So the first thing when we see this card in a relationship spread is to understand that whatever the querent asked or intended, if the querent asked about the success of a relationship or someone having feelings for them the answer is Yes, whatever he wishes here in the context of the spread - regarding a relationship - he will be successful with.

Then the card will describe what kind of feelings, relationship or success, for relationship readings in which this card is the outcome for instance, the card will describe the kind of successful relationship this is.

We do this by looking at the symbolism which in Tarot is always connected to the rest of the 77 cards and many hermetic symbols. There is an entire dissertation about this card, so I'll try to give just a few ideas on it. What we see here is basically the Empress, an accomplished woman at a peak of her existence. Being a question about a relationship or feelings of love, a peak relationship/love. She is in her paradisiac garden, enjoying the fruits of her labors (grapes, among other meanings, an Eden fruit), in a safe and fulfilling environment, guarded by Boaz and Jachin in the background, the beautiful gate in many Tarot cads, having slightly different meanings in each, but mostly being the gate between haven and hell, a threshold, the two pillars of the temple, writing about this wonderful tarot symbol now would be too much. In this case, the protective gate shows the woman in a personal (relational if the question was a love spread) paradise she attained through her own efforts. The fact that she is alone in the landscape is irrelevent, or maybe she turned her lover into a hawk all cards in tarot have connective or disconnective meanings in relationships, regardless if there is one element in that card or a bunch of people or two people making out. She has a training glove and a hawk or falcon, suggesting: mastery over basic instincts, strength and skill to train the wild part in ourselves, hard work and patience, necessary to train a wild bird. mastery, skill, power, succes. We can see she is either pregnant or during menopause (by the age), which are both peaks of femininity, ultimate success and accomplishment. There is a snail on the ground (sometimes a beetle in other tarot layouts) showing the patience and hard labor behind this idyllic picture. Much much more could be said, but let's say this is the basic symbolism. Since this is a relationship question, the woman IS the relationship.

Translating this to relationships, when this card appears in a relationship or feelings spread, we see it predicts a very successful relationship, enjoying the harvest of building something stable, hard work and patience, mastery over instincts, self-restraint and love leading to success. This card mostly appears in connection with peak, mature relationships which are meant to endure into old age, where people are enjoying intense sensuality, but not based on basic instincts, rather on mutual shared values and love, a common path, two people living in their personal intimate paradise with each other, usually enjoy material stability, fulfillment, retirement, a very intimistic relationship, an enclosed and safe environment, a "room of their own" something they have built for themselves, together, in a long time. It comes up in long-term relationships, for example in relationships that started in youth, when we see two people growing up together. It's basically about two people growing up together and building a common paradise together. A couple who perfectly associates with this card are the Lunts - you can find them here: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/001655-2.html

and their Ten Chimneys.

A classical view on this card to which I subscribe; people who have read my posts on this forum already know I have no problem with someone finding new meanings to things, but let's do it in the framework of the intended symbolism, which is extremely powerful and full of meanings in itself, no need for twists ignoring the symbolism.

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posted January 20, 2015 02:44 PM            

I am appreciative of the favours you give around here and in fact I was at the receiving end couple of times but if you speak to me ever again - however obliquely - I shall raze through every "argument" you made and will not care in the least. (This should worry you. You've said pretty stupid stuff.)

This subforum is one of the last quiet spots on LL AND I will not have you here, Ami Anne on steroids, rummaging around, amassing the following with empty flattering and passive aggression.

You don't like something and are unable to discuss it properly? Move along. Have something to say? Make yourself a brand new thread. Rambling on in what it amounts to be the longest butthurt post in LL tarot history 2 weeks after the initial conversation? Get a life.

I am positive I'm so cappy can handle it and that she can see the light through the twisted (although I would prefer if you call it depraved, it simply stings better) interpretations I give. If not... Well, you can always pray for her.

(It would also seem nice if you could omit "lol" and use commas instead - that way you don't sound teenage. Thanks! Also - more books, less blogs!)

posted January 20, 2015 03:59 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Are you planning on hijacking every single thread that concerns your sore spots? Heckling me? (I am not the best choice for that particular amusement. Like... At... All)

I am appreciative of the favours you give around here and in fact I was at the receiving end couple of times but if you speak to me ever again - however obliquely - I shall raze through every "argument" you made and will not care in the least. (This should worry you. You've said pretty stupid stuff.)

This subforum is one of the last quiet spots on LL AND I will not have you here, Ami Anne on steroids, rummaging around, amassing the following with empty flattering and passive aggression.

You don't like something and are unable to discuss it properly? Move along. Have something to say? Make yourself a brand new thread. Rambling on in what it amounts to be the longest butthurt post in LL tarot history 2 weeks after the initial conversation? Get a life.

I am positive I'm so cappy can handle it and that she can see the light through the twisted (although I would prefer if you call it depraved, it simply stings better) interpretations I give. If not... Well, you can always pray for her.

(It would also seem nice if you could omit "lol" and use commas instead - that way you don't sound teenage. Thanks! Also - more books, less blogs!)

- apologies, cappy, but this had to be done.

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Geez, it's not about you, Venus, it's a different opinion than yours, on a public thread/forum. How old are you anyway?

I've seen the 9 of Pents interpreted this (I find ridiculous) way several times for the past weeks, check the first 2 pages of the forum. That's the reason for my post, don't flatter yourself.

You find me passive? Don't make me feel sorry for you, because if you find me passive you probably have or have had a too stressful life.

I genuinely resented our dispute on the past thread and offered my apology, maybe you missed that. I resented it because I found you intelligent and quite versed, despite the Plutonian/a bit of my-Mars-I'm-unaware of issues you clearly have. It's not like I don't have my own issues, we all do.

But seeing that you insist, I took a look at your previous posts on this forum: maybe you should stick to what you do best, using your magic wand in your posts here: minimizing the positives in other people's spreads/cards/whatever and turning the positives into something bad and maximizing the positives + turning the bad and boring of your personal questions into something good. You seem to be quite good at it, judging by your history here. Always there to give these "little people" a "wake up call", "the bus has just passed you, bummer!!!" Quite refreshing after a hard day at work, right?

But if you think you can calm down and take a step further, you're more than welcome and I'd be delighted to have a polemics or exchange of opinions with you on the 9 of Pentacles in relationships or whatever you like, let's give it another chance! I promise I'll bring my books as well, no more blogs

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