posted January 20, 2015 09:58 AM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
My mood was ok. Maybe I can't connect with this spread. Forget my cards if you think they can't be true.

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Divination without compassion shouldn't be done.

This is a spread focused on the possible LIGHT between two people.

If you had been able to connect with this spread to ask for a positive message and received it, you could have certainly connected with this spread to give. Especially for someone who's been friendly to you and is now in an hour of need.

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posted January 20, 2015 11:41 AM            

I drew for you

1. SOUL Enerty

2 of cups - 6 of cups - Wheel of fortune

oh, such sweet cards!

2. Energy NOW

Hanged Man - Star - 3 of swords

3. ADVICE

5 of pentacles

As I interprete it there is a very sweet soulmate connection between the two of you.

The 2 of cards for me personally represents soulmates, especially with the emphasis on the mutuality of them. The 6 of cups also is about soulmates in a way, of course it also tells us about memories, and might be an indicator of shared past live(s), and with the Wheel ther, this looks clearly like a fated soulmateship, at the bottom of your souls.

2.
The 2nd line indicates that NOW (and meaning really now, this timeframe) things are a bit difficult and challenging between you. There is pain and hearbreak going on (3 of swords) and it is like you are being suspended in time, for the time being at least. As if you stopped to withdraw and consider what the relationship really means to each of you. the 3 of swords, as painful it looks (and is), to me always also speaks of strong feelings. You have to have deep feelings to experience heartbreak to begin with.
On the upside however the 3 of swords also can depict blunt honesty, which will hurt at the moment, but might be the necessary way to go in the long run.
Also with the STar in the middle, I think there is hope for healing and mending those broken hearts, probably for now on the ground of friendship-love.

Advice.
I think the 5 of pentacles in its positive light is meant to say that if you can stick together despite the hardships you are facing, you will be reawrded in the end, and find the warmth and love that is depicted in the first line. Also at least one of you might be unaware of how much support he or she really has in the other one.
So I guess it is just time to stop, turn around and see that you are still within reach.

posted January 20, 2015 11:43 AM            

your cards

1. SOUL energy

3 of pentacles - Ace of wands - 6 of cups

2. NOW energy

9 of wands - 3 of swords - 6 of pentacles

3. ADVICE

Page of Cups

The basis of your soulconnection is definitely a soulmate one (6 of cups). Probably children and/or childhood experiences will play an important role, too. Personally I love the 6 of cups, it is so sweet, innocent and sentimental.
For you the sweetness is also balanced by a strong physical attraction and spark (Ace of WAnds) along with commitment and the ability to work together as a team; possibly yours is not a strictly two-people-relationship, but another person (maybe children?) might play an important role as well.

Presently things are rather challenging. There the 3 of swords come up, heartbreak, and of course reminds us of the triangle that is going on. Along with it there is a lot of holding back and defensiveness (9 of wands).

I find the of wands interesting, of course it is defensive and very very guarded, not letting anyone see their cards, but to me it is also the "Do not give up and hold out, even though your battered and bruised and do maybe not even know what you are fighting for and can`t really see how this could lead to anything, but still hold on, just a tiny bit longer, this is just the last hurdle to take" card

the 6 of pentacles card to me (in combination with the other two) speaks of certain disbalance in your reltaionship. ONe giving more than the other, or at least feeling like there is one giving and one receiving part. Funny enough there are once again three people on the imager.

posted January 20, 2015 11:48 AM            

Will I be a bad person if I ask you to do this spread for me??

posted January 20, 2015 02:31 PM            

you are so giving, how could you be a bad person?

posted January 20, 2015 02:42 PM            

1. SOUL energy
Knight of Cups - 2 of pentacles - Temperance

2. NOW energy
9 of swords - King of Pentacles - 6 of wands

3. Advice
Page of Wands

1. AT the bottom of your soul there is a very romantic, emotional and passionate bond, makes me also think of poetry even.
The 2 of pentacles could indicate that there is a choice being involved, what you really want to be for each others.
Mentors, friends, lovers, seems the options are all there.
With Temperance coming up (did I not pull that before for you?) there is a very balanced, healing vibration as well.
It also could indicate bringing two very different souls together. In fact the 2 of pentacles also has the 2, and if you look at the imager, there is the infinity-symbol.
I do think that speaks at least of soulmates, but in your case it seems to be more about warm, supportive, sharing, yet deeply romantic vibrations than only romance or passion. In fact I think you could work together very well with that spread.

2. the 9 of swords thros me a little. It seems like one of you or both is worried, maybe because you don`t quite know what you really are or could be together?
With the King of Pents it makes me think of a relatively stable workrelated interaction though, and well, the 6 of wands definitely giving an enthusiastic vibration as well.
What is missing at the moment in this line is the suit of cups, maybe you are not ready to share feelings with each other openly, but THAT is exactly what is at the bottom of your shared energy (Knight of cups).

The Advice might be a good suggestion how to make that leap from teammates, or workpartners or even a flirt to the more romantic interaction; the Page of Wands here seems to suggest that you should just follow your instincts. Leap where your impulse urge you to go, and do not be afraid of your passionate feelings and physical chemistry. It is time to be sponantanous and risk trusting in your instincts.

posted January 20, 2015 02:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
T-Gem,

your cards

1. SOUL energy

3 of pentacles - Ace of wands - 6 of cups

2. NOW energy

9 of wands - 3 of swords - 6 of pentacles

3. ADVICE

Page of Cups

The basis of your soulconnection is definitely a soulmate one (6 of cups). Probably children and/or childhood experiences will play an important role, too. Personally I love the 6 of cups, it is so sweet, innocent and sentimental.
For you the sweetness is also balanced by a strong physical attraction and spark (Ace of WAnds) along with commitment and the ability to work together as a team; possibly yours is not a strictly two-people-relationship, but another person (maybe children?) might play an important role as well.

Presently things are rather challenging. There the 3 of swords come up, heartbreak, and of course reminds us of the triangle that is going on. Along with it there is a lot of holding back and defensiveness (9 of wands).

I find the of wands interesting, of course it is defensive and very very guarded, not letting anyone see their cards, but to me it is also the "Do not give up and hold out, even though your battered and bruised and do maybe not even know what you are fighting for and can`t really see how this could lead to anything, but still hold on, just a tiny bit longer, this is just the last hurdle to take" card

the 6 of pentacles card to me (in combination with the other two) speaks of certain disbalance in your reltaionship. ONe giving more than the other, or at least feeling like there is one giving and one receiving part. Funny enough there are once again three people on the imager.

Now the Advice card is so sweet. Page of Cups. Keep an open heart, despite it all. Almost like a child, even though this of course makes you vulnerable. And I couldn`t help but think of sweet messages (letters?).
Well, the pages are not knights, so I wouldn`t overdo it with the lovemessages, but it seems to be important to stay receptive to any kind of affections, as subtle they may be.

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posted January 20, 2015 02:59 PM            

"who's the one giving more?" Is it me and he's just choosing not to take it? Or was it him and I chose not to take it? I know I ve been told to concentrate on the friendship when he comes back. Was it the fact that maybe I didn't give enough?"
I don`t know. Maybe you took turns at different times? Probably your timing is really off.

posted January 20, 2015 03:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
"Hmmm..this is a tough one for sure. Makes me wonder who the 3 people are?"
I was thinking of you, him and his wife actually. It seems to me that your ex is definitely out of the picture (emotionally I mean).

"who's the one giving more?" Is it me and he's just choosing not to take it? Or was it him and I chose not to take it? I know I ve been told to concentrate on the friendship when he comes back. Was it the fact that maybe I didn't give enough?"
I don`t know. Maybe you took turns at different times? Probably your timing is really off.

On the other hand, what DID he give you?

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posted January 20, 2015 03:41 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
What are you trying to say? That I'm negative and my energy polluted this reading? That I didn't have good intentions? That I shouldn't have posted the cards I got? I'd like to remind you that you asked me to do it. I might have chosen the wrong cards but at least don't blame me for it. I tried to help.

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Since you posted the spread and the following messages here, I will answer you here.

It's not the cards, it's the manner, the insensitiveness, the coldness, the expeditiousness.

The world doesn't need this kind of **** , especially from a friend. It's like a fart.

I don't know what you should do or should have done. What I do in these cases, and maybe I'm wrong, I don't care, I will do it nevertheless: when someone asks a guidance/question from me, and I get a very negative message, like in this case, I always draw a second time, and always draw at least two days in a a row before giving the answer if it's something more complex or important. Usually, if indeed the negative message is the one that needs to be communicated, it always comes up a second or third time> maybe the message is about letting go, and then it is the case to find a delicate and inspiring way to transmit it, because at the end of letting go is always a positive outcome for the person. Reading the future is not the point here reading the future is stupid, because the future is our own making, and there are very few uncheangeable things in life, and those usually happen because we, as people, don't change in time. Divination, astrology, all esoteric arts are about spiritual guidance, insight for personal development and self-realization. And love and connection between people.

What was your intention with posting this spread for me? I was supposed to build a bridge to what?

Considering the question you asked me and I refused to answer, because I find it useless (why? for the same reasons I state above): Will I ever be in a relationship? Ever be loved? Let's say for three days in row I get the same answer for you: yes, the cards say Cappy will never be loved in this lifetime, she will be forever and ever alone. That is not a message I will bring to you, ever. That is not a message you bring to someone, anyone. Not this way.

I will be honest with you: in my heart and how I know you, I don't include you here, but there is a percentage of people using divination astrology and even "reading" for others who don't belong here. You do however find them even here, from time to time. Or let's say, they belong here in the sense that they tell you: kids, don't do this at home! I don't see you among them, but such insensitiveness leads to this path. You can recognize them because their reason for being here is to be the harbringers of "bad news". They offer their "guidance" with messages such as: "my condolences" "it's over, get over it" or "HP/5 loss 6/sq total failure 7/P you wish!" Their personal life/life in general is usually a mess or totally frozen. You can recognize them by the fact that whenever they come up with personal charts, questions and spreads, they always come up with charts/spreads that are always a mess or totally boring and they always find a silver lining in them. But they pride themselves in being the "cold shower" for other people, venting their personal frustration through the esoteric arts. I do have to thank you though, you made me realize there must be times when I was too expeditious and cold hearted myself.

Dear Cappy, I don't see you as belonging in this category. This spread was about the highest potential between two people, and knowing you or the way I see you, your soul, even if I get three devils in a row in your spread, I know you would never have three devils in a row as the highest connection between you and someone. Because you don't project this energy to me, you as a person, as a soul, and I know no matter who connects with you, will not get that result. I would know there's something wrong with me or my cards. And the same goes for many people here, that I am honored to know, and I will mention just a few of the wonderful ladies I met here, for examples the little group on the other spread: Ceri, Tgem, Dani, Astro Keen and forgive me anyone if I didn't mention your name. These people shine, are intelligent, vivacious, carry a light, and even if sometimes we are too romantic or carry a fantasy and sometimes we need to help each other to let go of one of these dreams, my spreads, my readings, my messages to them reflect who they are and where they are going to: into the light. Even the "cold showers" go into the light, sooner or later.

Not this way.

posted January 20, 2015 04:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Leeloo,

I drew for you

1. SOUL Enerty

2 of cups - 6 of cups - Wheel of fortune

oh, such sweet cards!

2. Energy NOW

Hanged Man - Star - 3 of swords

3. ADVICE

5 of pentacles

As I interprete it there is a very sweet soulmate connection between the two of you.

The 2 of cards for me personally represents soulmates, especially with the emphasis on the mutuality of them. The 6 of cups also is about soulmates in a way, of course it also tells us about memories, and might be an indicator of shared past live(s), and with the Wheel ther, this looks clearly like a fated soulmateship, at the bottom of your souls.

2.
The 2nd line indicates that NOW (and meaning really now, this timeframe) things are a bit difficult and challenging between you. There is pain and hearbreak going on (3 of swords) and it is like you are being suspended in time, for the time being at least. As if you stopped to withdraw and consider what the relationship really means to each of you. the 3 of swords, as painful it looks (and is), to me always also speaks of strong feelings. You have to have deep feelings to experience heartbreak to begin with.
On the upside however the 3 of swords also can depict blunt honesty, which will hurt at the moment, but might be the necessary way to go in the long run.
Also with the STar in the middle, I think there is hope for healing and mending those broken hearts, probably for now on the ground of friendship-love.

Advice.
I think the 5 of pentacles in its positive light is meant to say that if you can stick together despite the hardships you are facing, you will be reawrded in the end, and find the warmth and love that is depicted in the first line. Also at least one of you might be unaware of how much support he or she really has in the other one.
So I guess it is just time to stop, turn around and see that you are still within reach.

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Thank you for this reading, Ceri

I have the cards I drew for you and P.

Your bi-soul

Emperor
6 of Cups
Judgement

The Emperor strikes again! lol I can see it here as a lesson about personal power and empowerement, and maybe about following the "law" or not. The three cards give three different types of energy to me, and I am looking for the connection. looking at them one by one, I can see this connection you have, perhaps also through dreams or more subtle soul connections, which is a part of the 6 of Cups card> Your familiarity, belonging to the same soul family, and the positive, gentle, fellowship vibe between the two of you which I sense from your charts and your photos. This is also a card for being each other's type. Judgment in a love spread promises not only the resurrection of something from the past (the childhood friends in the 6 Cups card also make me think of a past life connection), but in connection with the emperor I think here the highest energy of your common astral bubble requires a "revolution", changing the status quo, the order of things, which happens either in reality or it's meant to happen on a spiritual level.

The NOW

Queen of Swords
Tower
Queen of Cups

well lol I can't help by noticing here the presence of the two ladies and a major choice, or the Tower as the man being between them; I like the fact that the Q of Cups is at the end lol not only because I identify you with her from the previous spreads, but also because she is the carrier of the Cup of love. I don't know what else to say about this string, it looks quite revelatory.

The Bridge - it's interesting, the bridge is supposed to carry the man and woman somehow in the past, in their original, innocent form of the 6 of Cups, plus there is so much to say about the "children" in the Judgment card: a return to innocence.

The Bridge is 9 of Cups

hehe who could wish for more? Personally, I love the "bridge" in this card, made by the cups, like a rainbow. Here's your bridge! My take on this: making a wish about this issue, positive thinking and the real desire of the heart for the fulfillment of this relationship has exceptional powers on reality in this case.

posted January 21, 2015 06:11 AM            

We don't know each other yet ... But I love to get the readings. I'm feeling he's too close now, and I know that couples have their problems....

posted January 21, 2015 12:09 PM            

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Originally posted by DaniPepper87:
Ceri, do you want me to pull Leno for this spread or Tarot??

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posted January 21, 2015 12:42 PM            

thank you.
I love your interpretation but have some thoughts about it as well.

"Your bi-soul

Emperor
6 of Cups
Judgement"
This is actually a little flabbergasting.

Some years ago I got a tarot reading on him and me, the very first one (must have been around 2010) and the reader pulled the 6 of cups and Judgement as well!
Well, the third card was not the Emperor but 4 of swords, yet I can`t help noticing that the emperor is the fourth arcana.

The Emperor makes me a little nervous to be honest. While he is not the most romantic card to get, he is such a no-nunsense-card, and - at least to me- a very official card coming with a lot of responsibility.

It makes my little Uranian-Neptunian heart quake with fear to be honest.
(but speaks to the Saturnian-Plutonian side of me obviously)

That`s the thing about P and me, or about how I feel in respect to him (or to "us" ), while we are both very much Sagittarian, and he is so playful, and I love how he reminded me to be playing as well, carefree and just having fun, basically, at the same time, there always has been the gnawing feeling in my marrow, that the "stakes are real high", maybe even too high. Like this cannot be ever "just a little bit", but more or less means that either we are in it for the real thing, or we are out of it. NO real middle ground, which does not relaly make sense, given our current status. But it is just the feeling I got, and which - honestly- made me run as far as I could when I met him, and now it feels the stakes are even higher than before.

Having alittle crush, experiencing some attraction is one thing, bringing that onto a manifestation-level is a WHOLE DIFFERENT scenario.
It is scary.

I mean if he were to really be into me, and wanting to be with me, that would mean that he would break up his family for that, and I am not sure that is a responsibility I am even willing to take!
Or let me put it this way: that is a responsibility that I CANNOT take, as it would tie me to him, not through love and attraction and a sense of togetherness, but through duty and sacrifice. And that could NEVER work with me.

So all the while I hope he really likes me and quite honestly is even more attracted to me than to her (yes I am vain and superficial and selfish enough to want that, and believe me I know it`s wrong), at the same time I hope he does not make me the cause for any kind of breakup scenario.

If they shall break up, they shall do so, because they feel they don`t love each other enough or do not fit together enough to be happy with each other in the long run.
But I do not want to have anything to do with it.

It needs to be a decision completely independent of me.

I am not even sure how I got into musing about that here. lol
Maybe the Judgement card, it seems that we have known each other before, yes.

As for the NOW energy, I love your interpretation, but I also saw another thing depicted here, and that is me.
Before I was very much the Queen of Swords (heck when I am insecure I still act like the Queen of swords - and I know it drives him nuts), very very intellectual, arrogant, detached and completely guarded and closed up.

But in recent months I have more and more become a Queen of Cups like figure, not totally, not always, but much more than before. Well of course it was always in me, but I always chose to mask her up as Queen of Swords, and I was so good in misleading almost everyone, making them believe that was me, for real.

Well, except him. From the very first time we met, he looked at me, and treated me, like I was a Queen of Cups. lol
And I was more than a little angry with him for that. am I transparent or what?

However it seems that we are really taking turns in bringing the Swords and Cups suit across to each other. Maybe one day we will be able to meet each other on the same level, hopefully a cups one.
I have the suspicion we are just too much alike. It is like I literally can SEE when he gets into insecure defensive mode (even if outwardly not much seems to change).

I remember one concert when he was very very funny, selfdepreciating even, and the audience were talking about how amusing and how cheerful he was and I was just thinking: "Are you blind and deaf? the man is DYING inside." (what I did not know is that this must have been shortly after the breakup of his longterm relationship).

Unfortunately he caught the way I was looking at him, and it was like he realized that I was seeing a little too close, too deep. At least he did his best to ignore me for the rest of the evening.
I can`t help it though, sometimes I jsut see too much I guess (well others have told me about that as well, and as an actor he obviously is sensitive enough to realize that).

Unfortunately the x-ray look into each other`s mind and soul does nto work reliably, and is working VERY unreliably when there is verbal communication involved or I am too much emotionally invested (and hence letting own insecurities surface, which overshadow the true perception)

posted January 21, 2015 02:23 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Just for the heck of it...could someone please pull for me using Leno? I'd be interested to see what cards come up

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posted January 22, 2015 06:35 AM            

Finally I got some good time to make your reading

1. What is the soul energy between You and X?
Garden - Clouds - Montain

I really think that the energy isn't good in this time between you. But, I sense that you'll overcome this, this can be too that you have a very solid union of soul energy with this person. Seems too that you have the power to clear every trouble that can be brought by outsiders, people who want to take you down and make things worst. Here I say that your energy soul is a blocking one for those bad energies. A protection, a shield... I see you and him in an energy bubble!! Cute hum??

2. What is the soul energy NOW?
Fishes - Cross - Key

Ah, seems like this energy is now with the power of fullfillment, soulmate card pulled here. Protection of the partner, THE energy is very good, I dare to say that this energy was created BEFORE you to be born. This energy is abundant, and you need to show this kind of energy to the world, as I sense that we are lacking of it. We need more of this energy inside our hearts...

3. Advice/Bridge for building a bridge between NOW and the SOUL

Ship - Tree - Bear - Tower - Child - Clover - Man

Hum... you really need to build something solid with this person. And this is not going to be the instant. I sense that you need to bring more new things, something totally different to build this bridge. You need to play more, to be like a child sometimes. You can count on luck by yourside, and with the help of a wise person, you can bring these 2 energies together. I'm feeling the word Mundane here... more earth things for you...

posted January 22, 2015 07:02 AM            

"2. What is the soul energy NOW?
Fishes - Cross - Key

posted January 22, 2015 07:38 AM            

thanks for pulling for me.

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Garden - Clouds - Montain"
Yes, let`s talk about really nasty spreads. lol
Makes sense though - longterm obstacles and confusion somehow related to public interaction.

Though interestingly in T-Gems spread, while garden came up, too, it was paired with decidedly nicer cards.

Maybe I am projecting thoughts on him, but I do have the feeling like he is having a tough time at the moment. Be it work or relationship-related. Maybe a little of both. Or just a projection from my side.

At the same time I have been doing some serious thinking as well. What do I really WANT from him? (beside being on the receiving end of flattering appreciation of course)
And what would I be willing to do or be even able to give for it?

" this can be too that you have a very solid union of soul energy with this person. "
Though I like to hear it, I am curious, what makes you think so. The cards really seem more like complete failure, with the Mountain I guess. Or am I seeing the mountain too pessimistic?
on the other hand it might simply be about a delay, which is something I am rather used to. lol

" see you and him in an energy bubble!! Cute hum?? "
Yes, cute.
It usually feels like this though when we are in physical proximity. like an actual energetic exchange.

2. What is the soul energy NOW?
Fishes - Cross - Key

Uups and cross-key is about destiny. Well, it is of course also coming with pain. you don`t get the cross without some suffering even if it leads to destiny.

"his energy is abundant, and you need to show this kind of energy to the world, as I sense that we are lacking of it. We need more of this energy inside our hearts... "
I love that.

"Hum... you really need to build something solid with this person. And this is not going to be the instant."
Yes, I think that is true.

"You need to play more, to be like a child sometimes. You can count on luck by yourside, and with the help of a wise person, you can bring these 2 energies together. I'm feeling the word Mundane here... more earth things for you..."

That was what I felt, in the beginning, he was bringing (back) into my life. That sense of being like a child almost, carefree, playful, and also a perception of earthiness, like I was feeling in connection to the physical for the first time in my life. For the first time being anchored in the HEre and Now (and not somewhere hovering above, or postponing the experience of feelings for a later time, daydreams and so on).
It is only since I met him, that i feel like I am a part of the earthly existence, if that makes sense. Like I was arriving in my own body somehow and slowly learned to understand and trust its messages.

posted January 22, 2015 07:39 AM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
@ Dani- which one of these Leno cards do you consider the soulmate card? Any other Leno cards?

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The Fish.

Personally I also consider the Dog and sometimes the Lily; tree often has karmic implications or anchestral ones.

posted January 22, 2015 07:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

The Fish.

Personally I also consider the Dog and sometimes the Lily; tree often has karmic implications or anchestral ones.

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posted January 22, 2015 07:53 AM            

Well, I used Mountain to soulmate thing because it is a higher element of nature! When you see one by nature you can see that it almost touvh the skies!! That's why I wrote about soulmate... some agreement you could have done before be born here