posted January 23, 2015 05:28 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
A clarifier card is a card pulled when you read the spread and it's not giving you a definite answer. For instance you wanted a yes or no answer and I pull the clouds for you in the Leno deck. The clouds mean uncertainty and confusion. So I would pull one more card (a clarifier) to see if that next card will give me a definite yes or no to your question.

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So basically a clarifier is just added info onto a spread. It doesn't represent anything else .

posted January 24, 2015 07:25 AM            

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Originally posted by mztiny:
So basically a clarifier is just added info onto a spread. It doesn't represent anything else .

If I was using a standard three card spread in
tarot and was still confused about the answer, pulling another card (4th card) would be the clarifier.

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posted January 24, 2015 07:32 AM            

If a clarifier still doesn't help, should one pull more or ingore the whole spread and ask the question again another day?

posted January 24, 2015 08:14 AM            

And I always just ask the cards if they can rephrase the answer, as I do not understand what they are trying to tell me.

In all other cases, no, no clarifying cards, because the temptation is to be drawing "clarifiers" so long, until the spread suits our wishes. This will hardly be depicting the real situation though, but often is a way of the cards to get rid of us asking. lol

So pulling a clarifier if I don`t understand the message of the spread- Yes, can be done.

posted January 24, 2015 08:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Actually the cards speak quite clearly with the first draw, just sometimes we don`t want to hear its message and/ or do not understand it for some reason.
In those cases - and ONLY in those cases- I pull a clarifier or sometimes redraw the spread (which Is a big NO NO NO in most cases actually - the first spread is valid. PEriod. Unless your focus was messed up of course).

And I always just ask the cards if they can rephrase the answer, as I do not understand what they are trying to tell me.

In all other cases, no, no clarifying cards, because the temptation is to be drawing "clarifiers" so long, until the spread suits our wishes. This will hardly be depicting the real situation though, but often is a way of the cards to get rid of us asking. lol

So pulling a clarifier if I don`t understand the message of the spread- Yes, can be done.

pulling a "clarifier" if I don`t like the message of th spread - NO GO

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posted January 26, 2015 09:58 AM            

If we are to discuss this seriously, the existence of this divination/counselling/oracle state of mind makes certain states of mind or personalities unfit for divination/counseling/psychology/mediums/guides etc, like in all things. Looking at the psychic/guides I know to have a glimpse on such a profile: not being in an intense emotional state, either positive or negative, general empathy with people in general, love of people, grounded in reality, love for truth and reality, on a scale on 1 to 10, the ratio self-interest/interest in other people is at least 5, but I guess not more than 7, a little self-sacrificing is in there, but too much is unhealthy, so 5 is perfect, I think; harmonious personal life, no frustrations, or a high level of tolerance for personal frustration, because I think detachment from self is compulsory here, otherwise the cards/reading is "corrupted" by our own issues, self-centeredness, search of self-identity or proving oneself through a skill,constant comparison with other people in one's mind (leading to issues of dominance, envy, jealousy etc.). Obsessing over something or someone or a high level of self-delusion in one's personal life are also reflected in the cards we draw when we read for others.

Strong opinions! I am very grateful for some of the discussion having taken place on the forum because I realize that, as a person with strong opinions, I shouldn't read for people or interpret charts if I already have a strong opinion about something (especially with emotional background) and that I have done it in the past and it was wrong. When this happens, the cards reflect the opinion we want so much to communicate to the other, rather than the issue.

I also think and know there's a message beyond the spread itself, the highest message we can convey, and it is based on the querent's real intentions and needs. Someone can come to you and ask about a break up; that someone could be in the loop of an obsession, requesting readings to fuel it rather than get out of it, because they need it, maybe as an intermediary fantasy in their love life, so whatever answer/spread will be, it will be used as fuel; or that someone needs to move on and the intention of requesting psychic counselling is as an aid for this; or our perception and life experience tells us the person needs help to fight for something worthy (experiencing a rough patch).

As someone who was born to see the future without asking for it - and I know that people in the same situation know what I'm talking about and the others can imagine how it's like - I can tell you: we don't choose what we see. It's a gift that doesn't belong to you, an immense challenge and responsibility. To give 2 examples already having happened to me: you may see someone' death, or their child dying in a few years; someone comes with a chart like this: "we just got married and I gave myself this gift of a reading about our marriage" and you see in there they will separate in 3 years or one of them will fall ill and die; I can't say I already know everything I have to do, I'm still learning, but so far it is my belief I don't see these things because these people need someone to tell them when they die or separate: sometimes there is an alternative future and I need to choose the guidance that will help them choose it; or send a message about enjoying life and its blessings; I'm just a vessel and it's not random that I see those painful things, there is this BEYOND, the light beyond that I believe needs to be conveyed.

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posted January 26, 2015 01:58 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I'm just a vessel and it's not random that I see those painful things, there is this BEYOND, the light beyond that I believe needs to be conveyed.

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posted January 27, 2015 05:45 PM            

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Originally posted by GeminiKarat:
I may not be on much help on this, as I did not find an answer either. The only thing I know is that it takes the old ones to clear the path for the young ones.

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Thank you for this, GK.

posted January 28, 2015 03:39 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Thank you for this, GK.

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You are welcome.