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LeeLoo2014
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posted May 05, 2015 09:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with Ceri...although not always there is a third party involved, the card indicates strong mental/emotional anguish, that's why it's not on my list, and this is not the same as "not being into".

Anyway, I still don't think there is a specific card for it, always the combination.

Personally, I only do readings for old matters for myself and I strongly recommend the same. By old, I mean things we've been working on for quite some time, things we already have a story with, a reality, and we ask for guidance or encouragement or anything else we need when we feel stuck or try to understand them better. My belief is that divination is for the deeper layers of reality, and in new matters there are no deeper layers yet, so there's nothing to stir.

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posted May 05, 2015 09:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree about the combinations.


Also this is why I love drawing one card for every time I go on a trip to a musical or concert that day, I am learning such a lot about what the cards are really telling me.

For example for the first times I would get freaked out when the TOWER showed up and it showed up quite a bit.

Turned out it always were about situations where I was pushed out of my comfort zone and LOVED it (though would not admit it openly of course ).

I also noticed in love readings it comes up in a erm, certain context, quite often. and it does not involve pushing someone out of the window. lol

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posted May 05, 2015 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DaniPepper87     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with you LeeLoo2014. Once my tarot teacher told me that reading the future is the most poor thing you can get from a Tarot. LEarning the levels you need to pass, the layers you need to understand is more than welcome...

for me, that Moon + 7 of Cups is a big stop thinking of this guy for once!! Hahaha!!

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posted May 05, 2015 09:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DaniPepper87     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ceri, I had the same feeling with the Death card, as we always think about a real death in the physical world. Interesting that Tower never came to me in readings... for others, ok... but no for me.. no need to rebuild something.

The one I still hit my mind on the wall is Devil...

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posted May 05, 2015 09:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
did you also notice that while the general meaning of the card well, is that, general, but there are certain cards that get an individual meaning for you?

For example I always draw the 5 of swords when there will be a very honest open straightforward discussion that day. Yes, critical discussions, but so far it was always a constructive thing, never abusive in any way.


absolutely! that's why I don't have fixed meanings for cards, especially in relationships. A great example is with Dani, here: so Dani your bf was a Scorpio Moon, which is Moon in Tarot, and given his age, another possible interpretation for the combo with 7 of cups, in his particular context, is "sexual experimentation". So maybe this was an important part of his behavior/what he was looking for at that point, you shouldn't take it personally Dani men, or shall I say boys at that age, especially water, are very immature.

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posted May 05, 2015 09:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's another interesting thing, Enneline: if for example you have many girlfriends asking about men in early stages of relationships, getting the 8 of cups as "not into you" makes sense, because the other meaning of the 8 of cups couldn't have been formed.

For example, if you specialize in "early stages" questions, the cards will have more specialized meanings.

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posted May 05, 2015 09:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DaniPepper87:

The one I still hit my mind on the wall is Devil...

Sexy.
Okay in a bit obsessive way. But mostly he came up for me as a card of major sexual attraction but also for a bit of gameplaying to see who is going to push whom over the edge.
But funny enough not in that nasty way he is often portrayed.

In fact I once pulled a card to describe the bottom of the relationship of my parents, who really have the healthiest partnership, based on equality, love and loyalty I can imagine, and the card pulled was the Devil????
lol

But they do still push each other`s buttons quite a bit, but in a respectful manner. However they are also glued at the hip, yet they feel like a much more positive constructive harmonious partnership than the Devil would make youb elieve.

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posted May 05, 2015 09:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
There's another interesting thing, Enneline: if for example you have many girlfriends asking about men in early stages of relationships, getting the 8 of cups as "not into you" makes sense, because the other meaning of the 8 of cups couldn't have been formed.

For example, if you specialize in "early stages" questions, the cards will have more specialized meanings.


of course!

first i respect the surrounding cards i consider the situation and then i would listen to my intuition before doing any interpretation

if i get the tower and some nice cards for the q "is he into me?" i would say definitely yes, you shake him up babe

but if i get the tower and "unwelcome" cards for the q "does he find me attractive?" i would say that he finds you anything but appealing. sorry.

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posted May 05, 2015 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DaniPepper87     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I didn't see this angle of the combo... He was Scorpio Moon on my Scorpio Pluto... and me being a Scorpio Asc... Do you think I don't take it personally?? I think men only become men after their 40th birthday (or not)...

So yes, I think we need to see a combo, not only a card for the question per se...

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
absolutely! that's why I don't have fixed meanings for cards, especially in relationships. A great example is with Dani, here: so Dani your bf was a Scorpio Moon, which is Moon in Tarot, and given his age, another possible interpretation for the combo with 7 of cups, in his particular context, is "sexual experimentation". So maybe this was an important part of his behavior/what he was looking for at that point, you shouldn't take it personally Dani men, or shall I say boys at that age, especially water, are very immature.


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posted May 05, 2015 10:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:

I also noticed in love readings it comes up in a erm, certain context, quite often. and it does not involve pushing someone out of the window. lol


maybe figuratively

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posted May 05, 2015 10:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Enneline:
of course!

first i respect the surrounding cards i consider the situation and then i would listen to my intuition before doing any interpretation

if i get the tower and some nice cards for the q "is he into me?" i would say definitely yes, you shake him up babe

but if i get the tower and "unwelcome" cards for the q "does he find me attractive?" i would say that he finds you anything but appealing. sorry.


I know, I have noticed that about you, you are an empath and read the cards mostly based on this, sometimes giving them the opposite meaning, if you feel this is the path. And you are brave about it, and right just like all empaths. Only empaths can do what you do.

If I asked you to read based on blank stones, you would still be able to interpret them somehow

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posted May 05, 2015 10:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DaniPepper87:
Yes, I didn't see this angle of the combo... He was Scorpio Moon on my Scorpio Pluto... and me being a Scorpio Asc... Do you think I don't take it personally?? I think men only become men after their 40th birthday (or not)...

So yes, I think we need to see a combo, not only a card for the question per se...


A repeated Devil can sometimes mean not being honest with oneself or being obsessed with something If you ever want elaborate descriptions about obsessions don't hesitate to ask me

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posted May 05, 2015 10:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
or the devil stands for arguments

devil in 1 q - surrounded by negative cards - for "does he find me attractive?" -> hell no

but if the devil is surrounded by nice cards -> he wants u right and now

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posted May 05, 2015 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I know, I have noticed that about you, you are an empath and read the cards mostly based on this, sometimes giving them the opposite meaning, if you feel this is the path. And you are brave about it, and right just like all empaths. Only empaths can do what you do.

If I asked you to read based on blank stones, you would still be able to interpret them somehow


really? I wouldn't call this empathy: just a mix of the traditional meaning, the interpretation of the symbols and my intuition

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posted May 05, 2015 10:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
4/P - "No room for you"

7/W - "Go away, terrible timing and if you insist I just might be very... straightforward with you"

10/P - "I am in good place right now => happy without you"

9/C,P - "LOL, and you are...?"

4/S - unrequited situations

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posted May 05, 2015 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Enneline:
really? I wouldn't call this empathy: just a mix of the traditional meaning, the interpretation of the symbols and my intuition

I think it's a bit more than that with you

For me, the fun comes from making patterns/combinations with the images/symbolism and try to find the answer, like a detective. What can you expect from my Pallas conj ASC and my 8th house? I have no idea how much intuition plays in this, it probably does, but the actual fun for me, the passion, comes from mental combinatorics, it's like the sound of a computer

maybe that's what you call intuition, your empathy? perhaps I'm wrong, what is the process for you, what do you feel when you read?

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posted May 05, 2015 10:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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4/P - "No room for you"

7/W - "Go away, terrible timing and if you insist I just might be very... straightforward with you"

10/P - "I am in good place right now => happy without you"

9/C,P - "LOL, and you are...?"

4/S - unrequited situations


interesting list, and no one says it like you do, Venus

never thought of 10P this way, it's a "go" for me (unless the guy is married or something, but I usually get a king, hierophant, etc. + combo for that)

but you know, when I was thinking about the list for Enneline, I considered 9 of Cups (although never drew it like this, so far) as I assume you see those two 9s: self-sufficiency.

to paraphrase you, so:
4P: go away, it's mine! ain't sharing it lol ( I have what I need)

7 wands was...awesome

and then 4 of swords: dead wood, baby I ain't hearing a single heartbeat.

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posted May 05, 2015 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I think it's a bit more than that with you

For me, the fun comes from making patterns/combinations with the images/symbolism and try to find the answer, like a detective. What can you expect from my Pallas conj ASC and my 8th house? I have no idea how much intuition plays in this, it probably does, but the actual fun for me, the passion, comes from mental combinatorics, it's like the sound of a computer

maybe that's what you call intuition, your empathy? perhaps I'm wrong, what is the process for you, what do you feel when you read?



mental combinatorics: yes that's it

I look at the cards and often I would get some information while doing so (don't know where is it coming from; probably from my insanbity ) then i would read the symbols and also consider the traditional meaning. And after all that i would come to a conclusion, for the most part based on my intuition. Sometimes i have the feeling to stuck on the symbols, sometimes on the traditional meaning.

I am a normal person and of course i could be wrong, but it's rarely the case - it sounds sooo arrogant and probably it is -and if I fail it often happens because i don't want to tell the cruel truth to be honest

Also, according to my experience: in case I can't make heads or tails of a spread either nothing is going to happen or i ask other empaths like you

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posted May 05, 2015 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When i get respectable cards like "high priestess" or "chariot" or any "queen" and they are no lovely cards around, i always see that the guy highly respects the questioner but that it is. He would probably never ask her to go out with him

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posted May 05, 2015 11:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Even Queen of Wands? REally?

And highpriestess, the mysterious inriguing other woman?

It`s interesting how differently we see cards.

I do agree on the chariot though (unless coupled with lovey dovey cards)

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posted May 05, 2015 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
generally speaking:

Emperor
Hierophant
Chariot
Hermit
Justice and Judgement possibly: highly dependent on surrounding cards, they emphasize those, so if followed by 2 of cups he might be very much into you in fact.
Hanged Man (unless talking spiritual attraction)
Temperance (possibly, not sure)

2 of swords
4 of swords
5 of swords
6 of swords
(interestingly I find the 3 of swords, 8th of swords, 9 of swords highly captivating, though painfully so)
10 of swords (probably following a deep traumatic disappointment)

2 of pentacles
4 of pentacles
5 of pentacles
9 of pentacles

7 of wands
9 of wands
10 of wands

4 of cups, 5 of cups, 7 of cups (very extreme cards, either .... or)
8 of cups


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posted May 05, 2015 11:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Even Queen of Wands? REally?

And highpriestess, the mysterious inriguing other woman?

It`s interesting how differently we see cards.

I do agree on the chariot though (unless coupled with lovey dovey cards)


yes ok, maybe the queen of wands is an exception...but never experienced it myself
I would at least need ONE lovely and/or a cup card, otherwise: "you are nice and really smart and talented but you are not my type." That is my experience.

but of course if I pull queen of wands for the q "am i sexy to him?" if would scream a yes

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posted May 05, 2015 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
generally speaking:

Emperor
Hierophant
Chariot
Hermit
Justice and Judgement possibly: highly dependent on surrounding cards, they emphasize those, so if followed by 2 of cups he might be very much into you in fact.
Hanged Man (unless talking spiritual attraction)
Temperance (possibly, not sure)

2 of swords
4 of swords
5 of swords
6 of swords
(interestingly I find the 3 of swords, 8th of swords, 9 of swords highly captivating, though painfully so)
10 of swords (probably following a deep traumatic disappointment)

2 of pentacles
4 of pentacles
5 of pentacles
9 of pentacles

7 of wands
9 of wands
10 of wands

4 of cups, 5 of cups, 7 of cups (very extreme cards, either .... or)
8 of cups


these r ur cards for "he's not that into you"?

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posted May 05, 2015 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To be honest, Enneline, now that you brought this up, I can't think of one card that can't be part of a powerful love spread. as you say only the combo leads to that.

And HP is so much more to me than the other woman...I don;t even use it like this, unless there's something blatant about the whole spread.

very very short and cliche possible intense love meanings for the cards I haven't mentioned already (in the right combo)
(lady spreads only )

fool madly in love
magician wanting to be the one, to sweep you of your feet
HP - the most fascinating woman, the bride of your soul, Lilith, obsession, soul, psychic love connection, a mystery woman etc etc.
empress the one
emperor wanting to be the one and only, to "have" you, to be your "husband"
hierophant - spiritual love, awareness of spiritual connection, wanting to protect you and "wed" you
lovers
chariot - drive to be with you, decision to win you over
strength - very strong sexual attraction passion and lust
hermit - awareness of one's one true love, exclusiveness
WOF - taking their chance with you, sometimes against all odds
Justice - ready for a Libra relationship, of give and take, devotion and truthfulness
hanged man - being stuck and obsessed, tied up by you
death -that would be an entire novel here: let's say loving you to die for hahahahahahaha
temperance - strong feelings of yin/yang merging, wanting a long term relationship, feeling a fated love connection, strong attraction, not just physical, overall -a novel here as well
devil - hehe novel let's say obsession, possession, passion, attraction, fated
feeling etc etc etc
tower - Ceri knows best to die for as well hahahaha
star - the one, the dream, sometimes the impossible dream
moon - novel nr. 3 let's say deep romance, longing, instincts and chakra storms lol madness too madly in love as well
sun - the one
judgment - the one, first true love, first time in love, experiencing love as resurrection
world - the one and everything


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posted May 05, 2015 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For minors: (sorry for simply invading this thread, it's my Scorpio Full Moon madness still ongoing, just trying to survive here girls, bear with me


ace of wands BOINK as Tgem said lol
2 of wands - anther Libra attitude, something to work for, sometimes finding the one (globe)
3 of wands - longing longing all day long, all 3 legs suffering (sorry )
4 of wands - love and marriage
5 of wands: I want to fight for you, you turn me on like crazy
6 of wands - fighting theme here as well; also, adoration
7 of wands: I am not giving up on you, overprotective
8 of wands already mentioned
9 of wands: not giving up, standing by your side, working on
10 of wands: taking the same theme up one final notch; there is nothing I won;t do for you
page of wands; excitement, discovery, sexual attraction, adoration
knight of wands: passionate Romeo
queen of wands/king of wands: mature responsible passion already established (not the early stages as in the previous court cards)

ace of pentacles: proposal for relationship
2 of pentacles; you drive me nuts; also, i want to flirt with you, keep you on your toes as well
3 of pentacles: cooperation, success, you are a masterpiece, an exploration, a creation a mystery I want to build our relationship from the ground up
4 of pentacles: you are mine, I want you for myself (can be very possessive)
5 of pentacles: I am lost without us (it's more the "us" feeling, very unselfish card when it means this, missing the couple, their togetherness, mostly their daily common life together)
6 of pentacles: adoration, reconciliation, I am serving you etc etc
7 of pentacles: you are the last drop, the final reward, the prize I want
8 of pentacles: committed loyal stable not going anywhere, by your side, ready to do anything etc
9 of pentacles: you are a refined lady out of my league, the princess in the story, I must find a way to get you, no mater how long it takes
10 of pentacles: I belong with you, want to grow old with you, very loyal and devoted family card
page of pentacles: I can't believe you exist, didn't know about that, I want to have you, discover you, possible adoration, awe
knight of pentacles: I am aware of your value importance in my life and my feelings and I am ready to do anything wait as long as it takes to be with you
King - you're already mine, let's drink some wine
Queen - that's the girlfriend I want, she looks like my mom
just kidding for the last two, good cards; have other meanings as well, such as physical attraction only

I think I'll leave the other suits for another Full Moon


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