posted July 02, 2015 04:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I am glad you could relate to my interpretation as well, Leeloo.

BTW do you - or anyone else - want to exchange another one with Lenormand?

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The same? sure! what do you want? adding leno to the previous spread, for clarity? Or a 3 cards leno for each question?...that's something I would like to see.

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

AstroMandala

posted July 02, 2015 04:26 PM            

"Clear communication? Swift, quick, direct? But not too emotional?
Though I like your interpretation as well."
Yeah witty and surprising stuff, a small attack lol but I didn't want to encourage you in doing something that might hurt you; this knight often gets wounded by his actions

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

AstroMandala

posted July 03, 2015 07:05 AM            

1. The bad stuff you said or did that caused damage to the relationship:
birds - scythe - snake

You talked in unmistaken tone with him, and probably there were some very cutting words being exchanged. You being very decisive, as you saw something was going wrong, and possibly even cutting communication.

2. The underlying reason for your action
clover - ring - moon
The underlying reason for your action actually was a highly positive one, you wanted to save the emotional and romantic connection between the two of you.
probably thinking this would be just a shortterm wedge, before you can take up the romance again and make it more solid even.

3. How this put a wedge between you and your beloved
Sun - Snake - Star
Ah, I don`t know. Again the theme of being a bit out of reach for him? Andpossibly too intelligent and smart (which is a sign of Snake, too)?

4. What reaction this triggered in your beloved
Man - Cloud - Sun

Confusion. lack of clarity. Even a bit of melancholy or depression. He did not know what todo about it, wher eto go, how it would continue, but the clouds clear up to the Sun, so I think this might be a good sign that the difficulties will pass.

5. How he retaliated or withdrew
Man - Sun - cloud
interesting how I drew the same cards in different order.
I get the image of a man hiding away (to lick his wounds?).
Still the clouds will clear up, we just do not know what comes after for him.

6. Grace to be invoked from on High (pull an Angel card for this one)
Whip - bear - ship

you stood strong and were determined to assert yourself, even if it meant disagreements, possibly as a source of protection and support as well. However with the ship coming up I think it is time to leave this stagnating period of disagreement behind and move on from this.

7. Your best possible reconciliatory move
Man - road - tower
I think it is not up to you to do anything. It`s HIS turn. He has to make the decision to end the isolating and separationphase.

8. Most likely outcome
Ship - man - whip
clarifier: anchor

posted July 03, 2015 11:30 AM            

Your spread:

1. The bad stuff you said or did that caused damage to the relationship:

Bouquet Book Roads

again, I don't think you your words caused any trouble here;; I see only pretty words, with bouquet and book, perhaps a scattered interaction though, with roads, coming and going

2. The underlying reason for your action

mountain whip fish

you are however upset about the delay of things, and perhaps the slippery nature of the situation. there is a contradiction between mountain, standing still and firm, and fish, always moving and slipping through one's fingers
or perhaps your own attitude was evasive which caused distance and irritation

3. How this put a wedge between you and your beloved

ring tree snake

the actual wedge here, IMO, is a long-term commitment to another woman

4. What reaction this triggered in your beloved

heart bear ship

hm don't know what to think here, but it doesn't look too bad hahaha or it looks either or. either he is committed to the above mentioned lady, so it didn't cause a reaction in him, he keeps going, steadily, on his route; or his feelings for you are growing and getting steadier; being your spread, I suppose it should be about his feelings for you anyway, the spread also indicated "a very big heart" so maybe the answer is his heart remained steady, there wasn't an actual reaction, he didn't flinch, you didn't upset him.

5. How he retaliated or withdrew

child house stars

I assume this means he retreated in his home, it's similar to the tower I drew, went back to sleep

6. Grace to be invoked from on High (pull an Angel card for this one)

rider birds tower

sending a message by air; flying lol; initiating conversation

7. Your best possible reconciliatory move

man letter lily

obviously sending a very beautiful and peaceful letter, perhaps of admiration

there is controversy here among Lenormandists about the position of Letter in the spread
most say "man is lettered", when the letter is after the man, hence becoming the verb/adjective
others think that if the letter is behind the man, it means he is the one receiving it - a letter is "manned, handled" to the Man
Interestingly, in Piatnik, the man is actually reading a letter, which suggests the one behind is the one he received, the one in front, the one he will send

in this case, he is sending a letter and you reply to it. or he is posting something and you express your admiration.

honestly, this sounds more logical to me, but I haven't figured this one out yet. what do you think?

8. Most likely outcome

cross clover stork

a destined change, which may come as a surprise

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

AstroMandala

posted July 04, 2015 06:40 AM            

" see only pretty words, with bouquet and book, perhaps a scattered interaction though, with roads, coming and going"
Yes, that, and I was thinking maybe I made too much of a secret (book) out of my positive feelings (bouquet), he apparently needed something a bit more obvious. lol
And yes th coming and going, that is me to a T.
Very indecisive.

"or perhaps your own attitude was evasive which caused distance and irritation"
Yes, I can see that, I was very evasive to the point of being irrational, maybe part of my aquarius-Moon (funny enough he seems to be drawn to Aquarius-Moon in women, his longterm girlfriend had one, and another colleague he apparently gets along great has one, too. I wonder what about his wife. Too bad I donīt know her birthday).

"heart bear ship"
While I like your interpretation, I could also see how when I did not seem to be really approachable, he simply moved on to set his heart on someone else, someone maybe more stable or even posessive.
Or moving on from any kind of feelings for me (bear makes sense as well, as I had been very overweight)

Or your interpretation fits better, at least I like it better. The one about his feelings for me at least.

Whatever it is however there seems to be a change or moving in his feelings.

Well comparing it to real life events, his expression has changed, he has become very turned to me, sometimes expressing it through verbal actions, sometimes just in the form of those nonverbal interplay.
But our interchange has changed and is changing, and while I expected this to be just a flash in the pan (of attention, him taking note of me and then going back to not paying any attention to me anymore), this doesnīt seem to be quite the case.
Maybe it has to do with me being more aware (of myself, I had always been pretty aware of others or spiritual dimensions, but not so much of myself, especially the way others react to me) or more open, I doīn`t know. I just witness the gradual change, and I like it.

"went back to sleep"

Excuse me laughing, but thta was EXACTLY the words, accompanying that very long eyecontact on the concert on 12th june.
The concert took place just a day after our short convo on fb, in which I stated I was shy, and he was saying I should be coming to the gathering nevertheless, and then on the concert there was that eyecontact, that exceeded probably what both of us had intended it to be, and while it started normal enough, it changed (on both sides) into the widest smiles you can imagine. I mean it was impossible to not smile back at him, seeing how he smiled at me, and in turn his smile got even warmer and bigger and he just seemed happy and relieved (?).
It was generating such a "so happy I could hug the world" feeling (at least in me).

And it struck me later, which lines he had been singing at that time.

"Too late for second guessing,
too late to go back to sleep.
It`s time to trust my instincts,
close my eyes and leap"

And now you reminded me of the second line.

If I am not going TOTALLY wrong, it has become quite obvious that I like him, and that he seems somehow happy about it.
it is still difficult for me to wrap my head around it, but I can`t interprete that in any other way.
And well, we know he was quite aware of me on the open air concert 2 weeks later, so I might not have been that wrong in my interpretation.

But yes, it`s a little late to go back to sleep now. Though this raises some others questions of course. But those are for another day.

"sending a message by air; flying lol; initiating conversation"
This reminds me of the fan-meeting he scheduled. It is pretty informal actually. Have you ever heard of a fanmeeting being held without an entry-fee for the artist? Ususally those are being held of course for promotion reasons (I am not THAT naive. lol), and as such they are part of the job, and jobs are being paid, rightfully though. It`s his job.
So it just surprised me that this gathering was scheduled so spontaneously by him, (and no management - involvement, but he has Saturn squaring his Sun-Moon on the MC, he is his own manager I suppose. lol, and without entry fee but just "to get to know each other better".
he`s rather unusual in that regard, but as I said I am not naive, this is still part of a job for him. So the Tower here might relate to exactly that, the official, professional side of the thing, and birds - what better card to signify a gathering of many people for the reason of chatting. lol

At least that is what reminded me of, and if it is true, I probably should really go.

"honestly, this sounds more logical to me, but I haven't figured this one out yet. what do you think?
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)I do not quite know, but found your explanation interesting. I gotta keep my eye on this.

Funny random note. just after reading your spread for me I had a look at his fb page and someone posted a duet he (and a colleague) did on the aftershow party/event, and the song was: "Break the silence".

Right after reading your reading for me, that made me laugh, as for the synchronicity. lol

"tork

a destined change, which may come as a surprise
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The stork is coming up a lot.

posted July 04, 2015 03:29 PM            

I tried this spread for myself and there were some confusing cards, Perhaps best not to do this oneself. Firstly, does it matter what sequence you lay the cards in? I did top row first and then the bottom.

This is what I got:
1a. What the querent expects will happen
Clouds - yep!

1b. What her partner expects will happen
Rider
Does that mean he expects I will fall for another man?

2a. What the querent hopes will happen
Tower - for us to be together

2b. What the other person hopes will happen
Lily - sex?

3a. What the querent fears might happen
Coffin - again true.

3a. What the other person fears might happen
Bouquet - he has no fears?

4a. Strength of the relationship
Fox - what would this mean here?

4b. Weakness of the relationship
Roads - could go either way or indecision

a+b Outcome - Dog + Garden
Living happily as good friends

posted July 05, 2015 06:15 AM            

That is one possibility (usually I prefer pulling 2 cards for leno-speads, as they work as combination).

Another possibility wouldb e that he expects some new sudden quick development, even a message.

"2a. What the querent hopes will happen
Tower - for us to be together"
In this instance - to make things official. Maybe a definition of the relationship (Tower can also point to isolation, but I do not suppose you hope an isolation or separation will happen)

"2b. What the other person hopes will happen
Lily - sex?"
Yes, but more so a soulmate like family like serene harmonious lasting supportive connection (and yes sex or sensuality is a big part here)

"3a. What the other person fears might happen
Bouquet - he has no fears?"
Since that is the position for fears it will answer that question.
So either he fears the positive feelings that are there (maybe he is not able to act on them?)

Or it might also be that he does not trust that the affection and admiration and all the good feelings shared will reach that deep (bouquet, though very pleasant, does not always show deep lastingness, it depends on the other cards though; sometimes it is just denoting a happy pleasant moment being shared and being charmed by something or someone)

"4a. Strength of the relationship
Fox - what would this mean here?"
Smartness.
I also sometimes think of sexiness in combination with Fox.
I donīt think deceptions or lies are really a strength, so this interpretation does not seem to fit here.