posted July 14, 2015 10:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Venus,

I see that you are very upset, but please refrain from the name calling here.

Leeloo,

I think you made your thoughts very clear, and I know that you come from a place of caring, but Venus apparently is not in the state of mind to really "hear" you right now.
So maybe it really is best to ignore these threads, as it seems like it is upsetting you and is also a waste of your energy.

Better take care of MY obsession.
If I may be selfish like that.

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Wow, Ceri. How very loyal you are!

For my part I can't hear about Mr. Sag as well. He is married and as far i figure things out he never made a move.

posted July 14, 2015 11:05 AM            

I certainly did not mean to insult Leeloo in any way, quite the opposite.

So Leeloo,
if you feel offended by my post, I sincerely apologize. That was not my intention.
I just thought that this thread would escalate more and more, and I donīt want you to be upset by all of this.
And yes I STRONGLY despise that name calling you had been subjected to. I just donīt see how it would help matters, if I blow up as well.

posted July 14, 2015 11:14 AM            

I am sorry, but I wasn`t defending you.
I do think you steeped rather low with the name calling, which is an absolutely No-Go in my book.
But I also know that we are all just human and that you might feel very upset at the moment.

I actually think that thread should be done with at this point.
Leeloo and Enneline expressed their concern about your obsession with Isaac; you expressed your annoyance with them judging it as such.
There is not really much more to be said about that.

You just don`t see eye to eye on this, and MY opinion is it`s time to call it quits and walk away from this thread now.

But that is my opinion, and I know everyone is entitled to theirs.

posted July 14, 2015 11:17 AM            

I am ABSOLUTELY loyal to Leeloo; that does not mean I have to do it by YELLING.

And that you think loyalty can only be shown by namecalling, yelling and screaming, and that you are bringing Mr Sag into this, p*sses ME off.

But I heard you loud and clear, and I accept it as it your opinion.
Note taken.

posted July 14, 2015 11:22 AM            

i did not say that loyalty is shown by YELLING and SCREAMING. Obviously you don't know how to be loyal since you connect loyalty with YELLING and SCREAMING.

and yeah, i bring Mr. Sag - a married entertainer with a child and who never did a move - in this since LeeLoo has always been sooo generous and patient with you when it comes to him and now all you can say is "calm down" when she is being called an *******

And you were the first who brought Mr. Sag in, not me- what could make me think that you are understanding obessions because you are obsessing as well?

Ah, and also you said Mr. Sag is your obsession- not me.

posted July 14, 2015 11:30 AM            

I hope you feel better you got this off your chest.

About my expression of loyalty, I will discuss it with Leeloo, as it concerns her.
I never connect loyalty with Yelling and Screaming either, I thought THAT much was clear.

As regarding Mr Sag, yes I called him my obsession, cause my mental occupation could definitely be seen as such. But you noticed I did it tongue-in-cheek, right?
I am very aware though that as open I layed it all out here on that forum (well not really all), that it would invite judgementalism. That is just human.
I am also aware that many people will not understand that thing about him. Which is not really about chasing him btw. But that is beside the point.

Nevertheless, I most likely will continue talking about him, dissecting any astrology etc, so if you can`t stand hearing about it, I suggest you skip my posts from now on.

posted July 14, 2015 11:32 AM            

Venus, I didn't mean to offend you, I am concerned for you and the energy here in my weird way perhaps (to your eyes) and I know Enneline's intention was the same. We tried to help.

Ceri, your presence on this forum is much more than asking a repeated question for a year, but maybe it is a good thing that someone pointed out obsession isn't good for neither of us. As a Plutonian person, I need that warning myself, now and then. I didn't mean for this to turn into something offensive for you or anyone else.

Enneline, my last words are for you: thank you for standing up for me You are a true friend! I also appreciate your courage of stating directly what you believe and I am trying to learn from it, as a Libra Mars.

Guys, let's call it quits? This must be the effect of the Pluto Flyby already

posted July 14, 2015 11:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Enneline,

I hope you feel better you got this off your chest.

About my expression of loyalty, I will discuss it with Leeloo, as it concerns her.
I never connect loyalty with Yelling and Screaming either, I thought THAT much was clear.

As regarding Mr Sag, yes I called him my obsession, cause my mental occupation could definitely be seen as such. But you noticed I did it tongue-in-cheek, right?
I am very aware though that as open I layed it all out here on that forum (well not really all), that it would invite judgementalism. That is just human.
I am also aware that many people will not understand that thing about him. Which is not really about chasing him btw. But that is beside the point.

Nevertheless, I most likely will continue talking about him, dissecting any astrology etc, so if you can`t stand hearing about it, I suggest you skip my posts from now on.

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First, my respect for being so mature and polite. I am for real...

Secondly, it was/is MY feeling that you are disloyal. LeeLoo never mentioned that

As for your posts with Mr Sag: for the most part I already do this- and whenever I did a spread or something for you & Mr Sag I did it because I liked you (and I still do) and I wanted to be good-natured- not because I thought i could support a real love interest coming together.

posted July 14, 2015 11:49 AM            

I am glad you see it this way.

Leeloo,

posted July 14, 2015 12:05 PM            

"First, my respect for being so mature and polite. I am for real..."
Thank you for that.
I believe that almost everything can be at least understood (though not always accepted or agreed upon, I get that), when talking things out in a rather calm manner.
And I think we just demonstrated that it can; though that does not mean we agree on the finer lines here, I feel we disagreed in a mostly respectful manner. Which is something that is very important to me.

"Secondly, it was/is MY feeling that you are disloyal. LeeLoo never mentioned that"
I am sorry that you feel that way still. It may come down to the difference in perception how loyalty/ disloyalty is being expressed.
And yes, I know LeeLoo never mentioned that, but I was taking your input serious, and wanted to clear up that issue, if it should be one, betwen Leeloo and me, as it was not my intention to come across as disloyal.

" I did a spread or something for you & Mr Sag I did it because I liked you (and I still do) and I wanted to be good-natured- not because I thought i could support a real love interest coming together."
Thank you for your honesty. I knew that, too.

oh and just for the record, I don`t see him as a real love interest either. I mean, come on, Enneline, the man is married!
How naive or selfish could I be?

The readings I get, to be honest, they are mostly fun to me, it is like listening to a beautiful story. They usually have a core of truth in them as well, and they help me sharpen my interpretation skills, understand the symbolic language better.
In a psychological sense they are very helpful in assisting me figuring out MY OWN stance on things, feelings etc.
It is not so much about him or him and me, as about me, in all honesty.

Having said that, oh Jeez, of course I like the man! And appreciate his art! And possibly feel attracted to him.
And yes, of course it flatters me that he pays attention to me the way he does.

But seriously do not mistake my enthusiasm for him and for readings about him with me really expecting there could be a romantic relationship with him. That is of course out of the question. Besides I donīt even know if I WANTED That. I mean I donīt even know the man for real!
All I can really talk about is that sort of attraction, that of course is naturally a surface-attraction, a liking for how he presents himself and the development of my own view on myself.

Nevertheless it is fun to explore the "What If", as long as I know that it really is a "What If, though it is not" scenario.

posted July 14, 2015 01:17 PM            

I think i got your point. Though I would have appreciated it if you had said "hey, don't call her an ass hole" and then "calm down, guys" but everyone is different.

I didn't mean to judge your passion for Mr. Sag. Honestly, if he turns to you despite his marital status i would be the last person on earth to judge you for doing so. I am not into morals. Really not.

I see that you think Mr. Sag is just fantasy and fun and of course you have every right to do so but as a third party it often looks so much different. I, as a third party, easily get the impression that you are obsessing- okay, you just confirmed that you are not and honestly- i am relieved (and yeah, basically it is not my business)

But nonetheless I am going to keep myself asking: why is she that into him? After all that time? Is she loosing herself in some kind of fantasy?
Of course it's your business if you get lost in fantasies but I don't want to support that.
Of course I may not click on your posts about him, but how could I avoid that? Blind my eyes temporaryly?

Also, sorry, I think you are like blackmailing, like "either you talk with me about Mr. Sag or there will be no conversation". Am I wrong? If not, i don't think this is a nice approach to community members who have always been generous to you. Where is your tolerance if I tell you: pls. spare me with Mr Sag let's talk about something else. What would you tell me? Not to click on your posts any longer? First, it's hard to avoid that, second, it is not nice. And if you confirm that you want to talk to Mr. Sag mainly, i am telling you that you are indeed and actually obsessing.

And it doesn't matter if you are obsessing or dreaming about Mr. Sag: LeeLoo spent a huge amount of time to analyze spreads and charts for the 2 of us and so I thought and still think she did deserve better- more than ever if he's just fantasy.

But as you said: you know it is just a fantasy.

posted July 14, 2015 02:30 PM            

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Originally posted by venuscorpio86:
Orange shut the **** up no one asked you ...to chine in on the ambush

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Orange can do whatever she wants and you go out and get some manners.

I think even guys like Isaac like well-mannered girls. Didn't he block you from facebook due to your harsh tone?

posted July 14, 2015 02:33 PM            

"hough I would have appreciated it if you had said "hey, don't call her an ass hole" "
I thought I did? By telling her to stop the name calling I thought that was implicitly included?
At least I meant it that way.

"ut as a third party it often looks so much different. I, as a third party, easily get the impression that you are obsessing-"
Yes, I understand that.

"But nonetheless I am going to keep myself asking: why is she that into him?"
If you found the answer, please let me know!

I do think there is not one clear cut answer, there is a lot intermixing. Possibly some sort of attraction, yes, but also having to do with my psychological profile and my general development.
He also makes me laugh.
And partly I might feel attracted to him BECAUSE he is out of reach. and partly possibly also because he is just attractive to me. Some hormonal thing.
a lot of things adding up together.

" After all that time? Is s"
he loosing herself in some kind of fantasy? "
Yes, I think the risk is clearly there.
Or it might not be fantasy at all. Or a bit of everything.

Seriously, I stopped trying to put a label on it. It is what it is.
I try not to take it too serious, just take the good and fun and carefreeness out of it. Sometimes I fall into the trap, but usuall I am digging myself out of it again.

"Of course it's your business if you get lost in fantasies but I don't want to support that"
I understand that and I think it shows your caring. So thank you for that. (even though I might not always agree on your take )

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"Also, sorry, I think you are like blackmailing, like "either you talk with me about Mr. Sag or there will be no conversation"."
No. I don`t mean that!

Well when I warote that post and brought it across like that, I was majorly p*ssed about you accusing me of disloyalty when nothing was further apart from my intention.
And I don`t like to be judged, which is probably why I reacted like that.
But I am over it, and I did not really mean it like that at all.
I enjoy your presence on LL, and want to continue communicating with you, but chances are the name of Mr Sag will be mentioned in my posts. Does not mean WE have to talk about him specifically, but I am talking about what rushes through my mind, and if it should be him, I might mention him.
But of course we can talk about a wider array of subjects.

posted July 14, 2015 02:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
Orange can do whatever she wants and you go out and get some manners.

I think even guys like Isaac like well-mannered girls. Didn't he block you from facebook due to your harsh tone?

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Bahaha... Enneeeeee,
Girl, i love you, you can be so funny even when you are mad at someone. .... " EVEN guys like Issac like well mannered girls" ... Aaahhhh

posted July 14, 2015 04:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Enneline,

"hough I would have appreciated it if you had said "hey, don't call her an ass hole" "
I thought I did? By telling her to stop the name calling I thought that was implicitly included?
At least I meant it that way.

"ut as a third party it often looks so much different. I, as a third party, easily get the impression that you are obsessing-"
Yes, I understand that.

"But nonetheless I am going to keep myself asking: why is she that into him?"
If you found the answer, please let me know!

I do think there is not one clear cut answer, there is a lot intermixing. Possibly some sort of attraction, yes, but also having to do with my psychological profile and my general development.
He also makes me laugh.
And partly I might feel attracted to him BECAUSE he is out of reach. and partly possibly also because he is just attractive to me. Some hormonal thing.
a lot of things adding up together.

" After all that time? Is s"
he loosing herself in some kind of fantasy? "
Yes, I think the risk is clearly there.
Or it might not be fantasy at all. Or a bit of everything.

Seriously, I stopped trying to put a label on it. It is what it is.
I try not to take it too serious, just take the good and fun and carefreeness out of it. Sometimes I fall into the trap, but usuall I am digging myself out of it again.

"Of course it's your business if you get lost in fantasies but I don't want to support that"
I understand that and I think it shows your caring. So thank you for that. (even though I might not always agree on your take )

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"Also, sorry, I think you are like blackmailing, like "either you talk with me about Mr. Sag or there will be no conversation"."
No. I don`t mean that!

Well when I warote that post and brought it across like that, I was majorly p*ssed about you accusing me of disloyalty when nothing was further apart from my intention.
And I don`t like to be judged, which is probably why I reacted like that.
But I am over it, and I did not really mean it like that at all.
I enjoy your presence on LL, and want to continue communicating with you, but chances are the name of Mr Sag will be mentioned in my posts. Does not mean WE have to talk about him specifically, but I am talking about what rushes through my mind, and if it should be him, I might mention him.
But of course we can talk about a wider array of subjects.

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Ceri i think we both agree in the fact that we get along well on here and enjoy communicating with each other

I really love your knowledge and i have learned a lot from you (apart from LeeLoo).

So let's put it: we may forget what happened on here today and just move on respecting each other?