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DaniPepper87 Moderator Posts: 5912 From: Curitiba, Brasil Registered: Sep 2013
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posted August 06, 2015 05:10 PM
Hi there!!I'd love to exchange this one.... Sorry for disappearing for so long, but daddy wasn't good yesterday... I want to learn a lot!!! IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18268 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted August 06, 2015 05:40 PM
AK, I can see from the first two cards, constant self-evaluation/self-inventing is a major theme in your life. With the 7sw in the middle, we must look at its positive connotations, but also the lessons it brings. "For Crowley and the Order of the Golden Dawn, the Seven of Swords is linked with the Moon (emotions, subconscious, deception) and the sign Aquarius (a Fixed Air sign known for being innovative, idealistic, humanitarian, and intellectual). Crowley titles the card "Futility" and notes "The intellectual wreckage of the card is not so vehement as in the Five. There is vacillation, a wish to compromise, a certain toleration. But, in certain circumstances, the results may be more disastrous than ever . . . This card, like the Four, suggests the policy of appeasement.” Hajo Banzhaf and Brigitte Theler (in Keywords for the Crowley Tarot) describe the energy of the card as: "Changeable, moody (Moon) theories and concepts (Aquarius).” "The Whispering Tarot by Liz Hazel Liz Hazel's astrological associations for the Seven of Swords align with those of Crowley and the Golden Dawn: Moon/Aquarius. Hazel's DMs for this card include: "uncertain motives or strategies. Sneaking, lying, or evading. Secrets, information withheld, possibly to avoid hurting another or because one is uncertain of what response will be evoked by the truth." "One World Tarot by Crystal Love Crystal Love associates the Seven of Swords with the third subdivision of Libra (natural ruler Venus; subruler Jupiter). She writes: "The harmonious nature of Libra coupled with the expansive and beneficent Jupiter promises a happy and successful outcome to ventures, a generous, well-balanced, and creative mind, a happy and successful marriage. . .” She notes the following "Traditional Interpretations": "Hope. Confidence. Intelligence. Powerful opposition. Confrontation that requires subtle ingenuity. Courage and perseverance. . . Reversed: Limited success. Over-confidence. Loss. Dishonor. Wasted opportunity.” "The Mandala Astrological Tarot by A.T. Mann Mann associates the Seven of Swords with the energy of Venus (planet of love, beauty, art) in Aquarius and the third decan of Aquarius. Mann calls Swords Five, Six, and Seven "The Clouds of Aquarius," and links the Seven of Swords with the period between February 9-18. Green is the color associated with Venus and violet is associated with Aquarius on the King Scale of Color. Mann's divinatory meanings for the Seven of Swords: "Unconventional and individual ideas about relationships bring enjoyment of social life but a continual need for independence. Partnerships are unstable, tending to begin and also end suddenly and without notice." Reversed: "Promiscuous and eccentric sexuality creates a joyful life fraught with uncertainty and emotional chaos." he Tarot and Astrology by David Thornton (illustrated in this blog by the Universal Waite tarot deck) David Thornton associates the Seven of Swords with the placement of the planet Venus in the Eleventh House (House of Friends, Hopes, and Wishes). The Eleventh House in astrology is associated with the sign Aquarius. Thornton's description of the energy of the Seven of Swords is: "Progressive views on marriage, peculiar plans or ideas, the enjoyment of social contacts and love of independence.” Tarot Dynamics System by Anna Burroughs Cook http://tarotdynamics.com/ (illustrated in this blog by the Universal Waite tarot deck)
Like Mann, Anna Cook associates the Seven of Swords with the third decan of Aquarius. In Cook's TD system, Subject Card Seven signifies "Relationships." The key word for the suit of Swords in this system is Challenging, which gives us Challenging/Relationships for the Seven of Swords. In astrology the Seventh House, ruled by Venus, is commonly known as the House of Partnerships and Open Enemies. The sign associated with the Seventh House is Libra. Cook notes: “Although the Seven of Swords can sometimes imply minor deception, it can occasionally warn you against outright thievery of an object, or from a source that you didn’t expect. More often, however, it warns you against stealing from yourself by wasting your time, effort, talents and emotion on non-productive endeavors.” "A.E. Thierens, PhD. (Astrology & the Tarot)
Thierens associates the Seven of Swords with "The element Earth on the Seventh house,” the house of Libra. He notes: “Owing to the diplomatic and fox-like qualities of the house of Libra, the querent may, by this card, attempt to steal the weapons of the opponent, as the figure rightly suggests: using the arguments and fighting with the weapons of the enemy.” His keywords for this card include: "Meeting the opponent, perhaps some fighting, but more probably the strategy than the fighting itself is indicated. Using the weapons of the enemy. Practical ability. Tricks. A person of technical ability. Success by means of capability, combined with diplomacy. Scheme, design." He also writes: “Since the seventh house represents ‘the opponent’ as well, there may be something like quarrelling in this card, attempts to reach agreement with an opponent; this will be done in a practical, business-like way.” (Note: If you are interested in learning more about this system put forth by Thierens, I recommend the book referenced above.) In summary, for the Seven of Swords we have: Crowley and Hazel with a Moon/Aquarius association Mann with Venus/Aquarius Love with Libra /Venus/ Jupiter Thornton with Venus/11th House (ruled by Aquarius) Cook with the third decan of Aquarius (subruled by Venus) Thierens with Earth/7th House (ruled by Libra/Venus)" Interesting correlation with the 7th house. I see at least this conclusion: “wish to compromise, a certain toleration.” However the challenge here is to open oneself to TRUE SHARING (6 of cups) which may involve abandoning the reserve, secrecy, in the shadow, reluctancy to being in the open "tactics" of the HP. With Strength, I can see the spread suggest a test (this one, of trust in oneself and others and coming out in the open) will be overcome. HP is a lunar, shadow card, 6 of Cups a very solar, in the open one. Passing from the shadow to light is your higher purpose, with the help of self-evaluation/self-mastery, and by becoming a guide, advisor, protector yourself (HP + 6 of Cups) Your greatest purpose and help in overcoming your tests is becoming a teacher and protector of others, especially young people, or even children You are the CONSTANT GARDENER
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LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18268 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted August 06, 2015 05:44 PM
quote: Originally posted by Vajra: The problem of predestination vs. free will people seem so hung-up about…which essentially, as I see it, is not so difficult to integrate if one sees the Karma (conditions brought about by past causes and effects which shape one's reality now, as symbolized by Justice) as the background against which man has the ability to exercise free will, within certain parameters he cannot influence, but react to in a manner chosen by him; which in effect gives him the power to shape his future conditions, to change or even mould his future Karma. Since Justice symbolizes the Karma principle, the 2 of Wands would then represent the call to the individual to face the karmic conditions courageously and then, to go and boldly create new conditions for the future, to develop into a better direction. Gradual liberation through action, with the ultimate aim of making every action an offering, an act of renunciation which creates no new karmic effects.... Essentially that's Karma Yoga as described by Swami Vivekananda (which is probably OT here) but it means a lot to me. Great that this is also reflected in this spread.
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Astro keen Knowflake Posts: 5608 From: UK Registered: Nov 2012
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posted August 06, 2015 05:58 PM
Leelooooooh!You are truly amazing! All that info, in a few minutes. Did I tell you were amazing? Oh, I have an Aqua Moon. Now is that a co-incidence or what! OK, I shall now go back and read. Also do your spread. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18268 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted August 06, 2015 06:00 PM
I remember your unusual strongly Uranian chart, AK, c'mon!Thank you And you're most welcome! IP: Logged |
Astro keen Knowflake Posts: 5608 From: UK Registered: Nov 2012
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posted August 06, 2015 06:57 PM
LeeLooWill add this by degrees - have already lost one whole post: Your spread: 2 of wands: Wands represent the archetypal world of ideas, of spiritual energy, of force and initiative, and of the element Fire. 2 of wands represents a balanced force. It is also a creative expression - controlling a situation through your ability to make choices which create balance, integration, comfort and harmony. This is echoed in the Justice card - according to Llewllyn - Justice is both the giver and enforcer of laws. As the ultimate arbiter, she holds a two-edged sword—a reminder that fairness cuts both ways. So, again this speaks of striking a balance. The Moon - what are you here for - represents secrets and mysteries that may not be understood, or even recognised. The Magician can be whoever you like - he is said to represents an individual in control of life’s tools and techniques, like those on the table in front of him. Typically, they include a cup, sword, pentacle, and wand (Llewellyn). 7 of wands: Gritty Determination, Tenacity, Stamina, Standing Your Ground, Holding Your Own So, a story is unfolding - who would say this achievement of balance and harmony is for? The world or for yourself - or could be for both - demonstrating what it looks like by setting an example. This spread speaks of great force, magical and mysterious which through a creative process achieves harmony and balance as an end result. Over to you IP: Logged |
DaniPepper87 Moderator Posts: 5912 From: Curitiba, Brasil Registered: Sep 2013
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posted August 06, 2015 07:02 PM
Astro keen, after doing LeeLoo's, do you want to exchange with me??I'm doing Ceri's reading on the Movies' thread... Let me know!! PS: LeeLoo, you too! Do you wanna exchange???? IP: Logged |
Astro keen Knowflake Posts: 5608 From: UK Registered: Nov 2012
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posted August 06, 2015 07:23 PM
quote: Originally posted by DaniPepper87: Astro keen, after doing LeeLoo's, do you want to exchange with me??
Sure, Dani. But very late here. Could we please tomorrow? IP: Logged |
DaniPepper87 Moderator Posts: 5912 From: Curitiba, Brasil Registered: Sep 2013
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posted August 06, 2015 07:25 PM
No problem to me!!!Good night for you!! Dream with the angels quote: Originally posted by Astro keen: Sure, Dani. But very late here. Could we please tomorrow?
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LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18268 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted August 06, 2015 07:29 PM
Wow, indeed, haha there is a lot of magic and power in your spread, AK. And a great mystery too hehehe I share the same karmic combo as Vajra, so cool!It is interesting that Justice + Magician resemble Orange's Clover + Scythe + Stars. On the other hand, Magician is a reinforcing card for the 2 of Wands The Two of Wands glorifies individual courage and greatness. This card taps the same energy as the Magician, but with one important difference. The Magician represents the archetype of power - the impersonal energy of creativity and strength. The Two of Wands stands for that power brought down to Earth and made personal. Personal power is an invigorating force that fills you up and lends you the courage to be great. A powerful person is like a magnet that attracts all those within a certain area. The spread makes me think of a master plan (2 of Wands) a fated design (Justice) that needs to be implemented, to become reality. A Game of Thrones, so to speak. Thank you very much! Very inspiring I hope yours is as inspiring too Hi, Dani Sorry, it is very late here, and I am working tonight; but of course you can do the spread and I will do yours as soon as I can.
EDIT: Moon Magician, my favorite combo: pure magic Manifestation from desire (law of attraction) My 8th house and the Libra stellium is all over this spread IP: Logged |
DaniPepper87 Moderator Posts: 5912 From: Curitiba, Brasil Registered: Sep 2013
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posted August 06, 2015 07:35 PM
No worry!! Here is dinner time, and I think I can do one for Astro. Take your time, I know you work with cards and you need time to get back your energy!!Good night!! quote: Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Hi, Dani Sorry, it is very late here, and I am working tonight; but of course you can do the spread and I will do yours as soon as I can.
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 29894 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted August 07, 2015 08:00 AM
thank you for the readings. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 29894 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted August 07, 2015 08:06 AM
Leeloo, Yes, it resonates strongly. "Mercury and Mars?" Mercury isn´t on my ASC though. Well Mr Sag has his Mercury conjunct my Mars-ASC, maybe that is what you thought about? Though I think Mercury conjunct my Sun, and both of them being pretty unaspected from the rest of my chart (we can argue about Uranus maybe being sextile, but it is out of sign, and 5-6 degrees, so nah, not really feeling it like that. my Uranus remains the unaspected one. ) "the next generations: death + world. Apocalypse and resurrection. " Interesting this comes up. I have had some apocalyptic dreams. WEll, in fact I had some dreams involving the archangel Michael (and sometimes riders of the apocalypse) who was "walking me through" the apocalypse, sort of like an exercise or for demonstration-purposes. lol
BTW it was very different than expected, much quieter and calmer. "EDIT: I think your lesson is to become decisive. And the most important one: to venture into the unknown, to move forward." I like that. And it feels right.
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 29894 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted August 07, 2015 08:12 AM
Orange, it´s interesting, I can feel that spread strongly. Not so much mentally, but almost on a visceral level. "It seems that Ceri came to this world with a cross to bear. " Just wondering what cross? Well my great grandmother always said that God is only sending us the load we can carry, and then she added, that our family must be pretty strong thus. lol
"You were given the family support " Yes, we are a very tightly knit family, which is great, but sometimes it might alo be a little detrimental, in the way that it seems to diminish that need or urge to go outside the family and seek a "family of choice".
Though I suppose I am doing that. "At some point in your life, a younger man will arrive and change your life for the better. Sun. " Sounds great.
"I pulled a card on the Rider and it was the Tree - he will stay for life. Tree usually means in three years ftom the reading." Within the next 3 years or AFTER 3 years.
Well I noticed that I am going to have pMars conjunct n Venus and pSaturn conjunct p DESC (Saturn ruling the ASC), but this will be in 2017, and 3 years from now would be 2018. LOL Wouldn`t it be crazy if I got pregnant in 2017 and this Rider-Sun is really indicative of a son? Just kidding, I would be 43 years of age, pretty unlikely to get pregnant in that age.
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 29894 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted August 07, 2015 08:24 AM
Well I looked up the dynamic report for 2017 and 2018, but it looks rather nasty 2017 pMars conjunct n Venus (november 17) Tr Jupiter conjunct n Uranus (october 17) In the end of Tr Pluto opposing n Saturn (september-october 2017) Tr Saturn conjunct nSun-Mrcury (nov 17) 2018
sa DESC conjunct n Vertex (august 18) (sa ASC conjunct n Sun/Moon-mp) pMoon oppospite p Jupiter (february) Tr Jupiter conjunct nMars, ASC, NN (december 18) Tr Saturn conjunct n Venus (feb, june, nov 18)
Tr Saturn square n Pluto (april 18, dec. 18) Tr Uranus opp. n Urnaus )(june 18-april 19
2019 pMoon conjunct n MC (march) Tr Saturn opp. n Saturn (feb - july 19) Tr Pluto conjunct n Avx and Sun/Moon-mp (beginning in 2019) Tr NN conjunct n Vx (april 19)
pMoon conjunct n Pluto (june) it all looks so heavy and not really Rider-Sun like though
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DaniPepper87 Moderator Posts: 5912 From: Curitiba, Brasil Registered: Sep 2013
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posted August 07, 2015 08:40 AM
Hi Astro!!Here's your spread: The main card, Moon, signifies that you're a very strong woman, this energy is very deveolped in your soul. Using your intuition and all the feminine methods of getting in touch with yourself is benefic. 7 of Wands - Someone who defends what you want, believe and all the things and people you consider to be under your wings. Queen of SWords - Using the mind to solve almost all quests. Intelligent, a little sarcastic, a person who knows what the life wants from her, some strong Virgo/Libra placements in the chart. Star - Hope is something you carry all the way. You don't give up easily. You have too an innocent side that sometimes you need to release, in order to maintain the balance of your body and soul. And the balance is well done when you get this energy to the others. 8 of Cups - You know when to leave something or someone behind, mainly if this means leaving a bad/stuck energy, the one that doesn't let you move forward in life. You also sacrifices everything for love, you just love and let it be! IP: Logged |
Astro keen Knowflake Posts: 5608 From: UK Registered: Nov 2012
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posted August 07, 2015 10:01 AM
Dani,Thank you for the beautiful cards and interpretations. I can relate to each very well. The last card, 8 of cups, which describes the higher meaning, shows precisely the qualities I need to develop - to let go of things that are not working for me. This means putting myself first, which is often a hard lesson to learn. Will do yours now - have bid the last guest farewell. IP: Logged |
Orange Knowflake Posts: 5709 From: Georgia Registered: May 2009
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posted August 07, 2015 11:20 AM
Ceri,it may happen, pregnancy and all, even at that age, especially if you are healthy. I remember once upon a time I had another reading for you and it also pointed to a "Ring" in 2017- 2018. You were worried that you had the Saturn- Pluto going on at that time, and I told you that I also had Saturn-Pluto transit when I got married. Progressed Venus on Mars is a great indicator that a sexual relationship will start. And WE want all the details when it happens. IP: Logged |
Astro keen Knowflake Posts: 5608 From: UK Registered: Nov 2012
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posted August 07, 2015 11:40 AM
@ Dani The Sun for 'what are you here for' seems to me to be very fitting. You are here to provide sunshine, to lighten up lives around you. Also bring truth to places of darkness and confusion. Your core card is Ace of swords - The intellect. Making the right decision. Success and victory. Mental energy. Ability to concentrate. Justice and truth. Cutting through confusion. Seeing clearly what is going on. This marries very well with the SUN and also the knight of swords, which signifies action and movement towards finding the right answers. When the Knight delivers his words to you, the idea behind what is being said becomes apparent quite rapidly. The white horse indicates that the message being delivered is pure. The Emporer gives you permission to be aggressive, brave, bold and in command. The Knight of Wands is by far the bravest of all The Knights for he fears nothing, will have a go at anything. His presence here indicates that the meanings of the cards shown get an extra surge of energy. You will find greater truths. You are bold, daring and forward thinking. Dani, these cards may speak to you better . Do they resonate? IP: Logged |
Astro keen Knowflake Posts: 5608 From: UK Registered: Nov 2012
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posted August 07, 2015 12:45 PM
quote: Originally posted by LeeLoo2014: AK, HP is a lunar, shadow card, 6 of Cups a very solar, in the open one. Passing from the shadow to light is your higher purpose, with the help of self-evaluation/self-mastery, and by becoming a guide, advisor, protector yourself (HP + 6 of Cups) Your greatest purpose and help in overcoming your tests is becoming a teacher and protector of others, especially young people, or even children You are the CONSTANT GARDENER
Leeloo, there is so much meaning in these cards that I can relate to. I think this meaning of 7 of Swords resonates particularly -"it warns you against stealing from yourself by wasting your time, effort, talents and emotion on non-productive endeavours.”You've given an inspiring summation to the spread. I do see myself as, or I wish to be a protector of the hard done by. This I think is reflected by the 7 of wands in Dani's spread. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18268 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted August 07, 2015 01:30 PM
I am glad it resonates, AK. In fact, for me 7 of sw is the lone wolf, the off stream, wild, original of minor arcana, in the best sense of the card It does so by having an unusual mindset.------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms... AstroMandala Summer Readings IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18268 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted August 07, 2015 01:41 PM
Originally posted by Vajra: The problem of predestination vs. free will people seem so hung-up about…which essentially, as I see it, is not so difficult to integrate if one sees the Karma (conditions brought about by past causes and effects which shape one's reality now, as symbolized by Justice) as the background against which man has the ability to exercise free will, within certain parameters he cannot influence, but react to in a manner chosen by him; which in effect gives him the power to shape his future conditions, to change or even mould his future Karma. Since Justice symbolizes the Karma principle, the 2 of Wands would then represent the call to the individual to face the karmic conditions courageously and then, to go and boldly create new conditions for the future, to develop into a better direction. Gradual liberation through action, with the ultimate aim of making every action an offering, an act of renunciation which creates no new karmic effects.... Essentially that's Karma Yoga as described by Swami Vivekananda (which is probably OT here) but it means a lot to me. Great that this is also reflected in this spread. Vajra, I realized this correlates strongly with Justice + Death, karma release So there is this tandem Justice + 2 of Wands + Death. ------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms... AstroMandala Summer Readings IP: Logged |
littlecloud Moderator Posts: 3678 From: Registered: Nov 2010
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posted August 15, 2015 03:01 AM
Can I join?Do I exchange with someone? Or ask to be read? How does it work? IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18268 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted August 17, 2015 09:35 AM
quote: Originally posted by littlecloud: Can I join?Do I exchange with someone? Or ask to be read? How does it work?
Hi we can exchange, if you like ------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms... AstroMandala Summer Readings IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18268 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted August 17, 2015 09:36 AM
How about my dear PM? What is his archetype? Anyone wants to exchange with me? ------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms... AstroMandala Summer Readings IP: Logged | |