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Topic: When the cards lie
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Ayelet
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posted October 02, 2016 07:01 PM
  
Sometimes the cards lie to me and I wonder if it's any use.IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted October 03, 2016 09:25 AM
Maybe you change the outcome?IP: Logged |
Ayelet
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posted October 03, 2016 09:51 AM
No. In one instance they lied about someone, and a certain situation.IP: Logged |
Emsie
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posted October 03, 2016 12:16 PM
Sometimes I wonder if the exact same thing happens to me as well. But when it does, it's for teaching me lessons, I guess.  Or to listen to my own intuition.But it can also happen that the outcome is distorted because of fears, wishful thinking and/or emotions. I always have to have clarity, otherwise... It also happened to me for a few times that I asked a specific question, but the cards picked up on a completely different thing. Not to mention the fuzzy and equivocal messages when the cards draw my attention to my own state of mind (and when I had to go to bed ) IP: Logged |
Ayelet
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posted October 03, 2016 01:00 PM
But if it's not accurate, then what's the point? It should show the fears or distorting emotions in the reading, reflect them, rather than act according to them. For example, an unbased fear or disappointment may be reflected by 5 of cups. But if the fear is justified, 8 of swords then (if I am not mistaken). Even if I was not accurate in my example, you get my point. But if I get a card which says that all is rosy while all is not, I don't really need the cards to reflect me a certain mood. It is supposed to be a tool to get in touch with what is real, and I will not discuss now phylosophically what reality is. If it doesn't serve for that purpose, I don't see much point to it. And I do believe in horary astrology. Technically, it should be the same.IP: Logged |
Emsie
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posted October 06, 2016 05:42 PM
Once I did a reading for my dear friend, both tarot and angel card readings. The outcome was the 2 of Cups and a card called True love. In my opinion lots of people think that normally these cards would mean huge love, soul mates, etc. - I thought so - and it turned out to be a reconciliation and acceptance of a situation regarding one of her ex boyfriends. The situation was very complicated, because the guy had another 'happy' relationship with someone else - or at least he said so - but at the same time felt a never ending deep love for my friend. I was stunned when I realized finally, that these cards can also mean unconditional love and acceptance of whatever comes.To make things even stranger, today I did a reading to myself with an online deck, and then another one with my angel cards. I shouldn't have used the online one, I guess, because sometimes, when I ask about certain things (even simple ones), it gives a completely unclear answer. O.o According to this, maybe there's something with your deck? I mean, perhaps it just needs some kind of "detox" from negative energies. IP: Logged |
Ayelet
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posted October 06, 2016 10:46 PM
I don't think my deck needs detox, but how do you do it anyway? I have a purple plate, can that help? And I also use an online deck occasionally.IP: Logged |
GeminiKarat
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posted October 07, 2016 05:04 AM
I agree with Emsie. I do interpret the cards sometimes the wrong way. Sometimes it is the wrong spread for this specific question. Sometimes the cards pick the strongest energy.
As you like Horary you can apply those rules to the cards as well. IP: Logged |
Emsie
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posted October 07, 2016 07:34 AM
It was just guessing, I've never tried any of these, I've just read about various methods and how others clean their decks energetically. Like candles, crystals and stuff like that. One thing is certain, I decided to stop using that very confusing and misleading online spread. IP: Logged |
Emsie
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posted October 07, 2016 07:40 AM
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Originally posted by GeminiKarat:
I agree with Emsie. I do interpret the cards sometimes the wrong way. Sometimes it is the wrong spread for this specific question. Sometimes the cards pick the strongest energy.
As you like Horary you can apply those rules to the cards as well.
It took me some time to get to learn another meaning of the 2 of Cups - forgiveness. And other cards, like the Tower, not always mean breaking up, but a very ferocious row when someone releases the pent up frustration and anger and throws it full force at the other person... IP: Logged |
GeminiKarat
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posted October 07, 2016 12:25 PM
^^^Interesting take on the 2 of cups. There is the serpent on the card. True forgiveness can have an healing affect.IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted October 08, 2016 08:29 AM
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Originally posted by Emsie:
It took me some time to get to learn another meaning of the 2 of Cups - forgiveness. And other cards, like the Tower, not always mean breaking up, but a very ferocious row when someone releases the pent up frustration and anger and throws it full force at the other person...
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littlecloud
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posted October 15, 2016 04:58 PM
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Originally posted by Emsie:
It took me some time to get to learn another meaning of the 2 of Cups - forgiveness. And other cards, like the Tower, not always mean breaking up, but a very ferocious row when someone releases the pent up frustration and anger and throws it full force at the other person...
In my experience the 2 of cups indicates reconciliation, usually between old lovers (or maybe its what I ask about lol). Doesn't mean it lasts forever, it could just be a moving forward point, like 'we're cool now, no hard feelings'. It indicates being in a happy relationship but for longevity I need to see something like 10 of pents with it. Tower on the other hand has almost always indicated an end, usually an argument that changed things. Even when reading about my sister, huge argument changed a lot of the foundation of our relationship and how I talk to her. It may depend on the positioning as well. If its at the end/outcome its usually a game changer. But again depends on the question too. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted October 18, 2016 11:44 AM
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Originally posted by littlecloud:
In my experience the 2 of cups indicates reconciliation, usually between old lovers (or maybe its what I ask about lol). Doesn't mean it lasts forever, it could just be a moving forward point, like 'we're cool now, no hard feelings'. It indicates being in a happy relationship but for longevity I need to see something like 10 of pents with it. Tower on the other hand has almost always indicated an end, usually an argument that changed things. Even when reading about my sister, huge argument changed a lot of the foundation of our relationship and how I talk to her. It may depend on the positioning as well. If its at the end/outcome its usually a game changer. But again depends on the question too.
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GypseeWind
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posted October 23, 2016 06:30 AM
Hi everyone -Thought I'd chime in since I've been in the same disenchanted thought pattern about the cards as the OP.
But then again, transit Saturn is doing a Mexican Hat Dance on my sun/venus conjunction in my 8th house. A crisis of faith, indeed. Let me ask you this, are you asking the same question over and over,possibly phrasing it a bit different each time? There's no shame if you are... but that *can* be why you aren't getting good results. Another question to ask yourself is this-
Where do you think the answers come from?
-some believe they come from the cards themselves, that perhaps the signs and symbols printed on them make them "magical" so to speak.
-others believe you are being answered by spirits on the other side
-and some think that it's your own higher self giving you the answers that perhaps you're too blocked to receive
-and lastly, others believe that it's synchronicity at work, that the cards that come up are never a mistake bc they are meant for you at that moment in time, no matter what. So which one do you feel it is?  IP: Logged |
Ayelet
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posted October 27, 2016 11:11 PM
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Originally posted by GypseeWind:
Hi everyone -Thought I'd chime in since I've been in the same disenchanted thought pattern about the cards as the OP.
But then again, transit Saturn is doing a Mexican Hat Dance on my sun/venus conjunction in my 8th house. A crisis of faith, indeed. Let me ask you this, are you asking the same question over and over,possibly phrasing it a bit different each time? There's no shame if you are... but that *can* be why you aren't getting good results. Another question to ask yourself is this-
Where do you think the answers come from?
-some believe they come from the cards themselves, that perhaps the signs and symbols printed on them make them "magical" so to speak.
-others believe you are being answered by spirits on the other side
-and some think that it's your own higher self giving you the answers that perhaps you're too blocked to receive
-and lastly, others believe that it's synchronicity at work, that the cards that come up are never a mistake bc they are meant for you at that moment in time, no matter what. So which one do you feel it is?
I am asking the same question again and again sometimes, but these are not the instances when the cards lied.I believe the right answer is revealed through synchronicity, meaning that, much like in horary astrology, the answer lies in the body of the question. Once, for example, the cards were very bright concerning a certain someone and did not warn me against him.
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GypseeWind
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posted November 10, 2016 02:07 AM
I'm not familiar with horary astrology. I mean, I know what it is, but I don't know about the framing of questions.
What I do know- about tarot- if you keep asking the same question, the cards will start throwing random lies at you. As if to say, "I told you the answer once, twice, and three times, yet you keep asking. MAYBE you'll like this answer better."
They say your first answer is the true one.IF your cards were once good about a person, but they no longer are- it could be that the energy around the situation has changed. There is fate, but also free will. IP: Logged |
Ayelet
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posted November 10, 2016 09:03 PM
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Originally posted by GypseeWind:
I'm not familiar with horary astrology. I mean, I know what it is, but I don't know about the framing of questions.
What I do know- about tarot- if you keep asking the same question, the cards will start throwing random lies at you. As if to say, "I told you the answer once, twice, and three times, yet you keep asking. MAYBE you'll like this answer better."
They say your first answer is the true one.IF your cards were once good about a person, but they no longer are- it could be that the energy around the situation has changed. There is fate, but also free will.
Well, the thing with that specific person is I only asked once, yet the cards lied. But it was an on-line spread. Do you think on-line readings are unreliable? If so, why?
Do you have any other explanation? The cards showed a rosy situation, while the man was a fraud, to say the least of it. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted November 11, 2016 01:33 PM
Lie is a strong word.IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted November 13, 2016 09:59 AM
Sometimes the cards are just wrong, I think. Although I've had times when I had no idea how to read a spread, and ended up having it make sense months later. IP: Logged |
Selene
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posted November 14, 2016 09:54 AM
I threw away all my cards. They were all lying to me, showing me exactly what i fear of. If i asked about my health, it would show i was going to die. If i asked about my job, i would get fired. If i asked about my relationship, it turned out he was cheating on me (he wasn't). I then asked if I WAS CHEATING ON HIM and they showed me i was - with two different men. Also they showed i have absolutely no feelings for him which obviously isn't true. The thing is i was obsessing over those things. If in the first time the response was that i can trust him, they said i can rely on him completely. But i kept asking many many questions. That is because i have generalized anxiety which had kicked in during last month. And the cards simply picked up my own anxieties etc. they even showed Moon 9 Swords 5 cups for why they keep lying me. That's when i threw them away. I feel so much better now. Now i have my runes only. They don't lie. I feel that they are more objective than Tarot or Lenormand. IP: Logged |
Selene
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posted November 14, 2016 09:56 AM
if you keep asking the same question, the cards will start throwing random lies at you. As if to say, "I told you the answer once, twice, and three times, yet you keep asking. MAYBE you'll like this answer better
Oops, i guess that was my problem.
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Emsie
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posted November 19, 2016 06:41 AM
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Originally posted by Selene:
if you keep asking the same question, the cards will start throwing random lies at you. As if to say, "I told you the answer once, twice, and three times, yet you keep asking. MAYBE you'll like this answer better
Oops, i guess that was my problem.
I know this one, too. Used to happen to me several times when I had anxieties, and not a 'clear mind'. The cards started to throw negative and saddening stuff at me, which made me put down the cards for a while. They picked up on my own negativity, I guess. :c IP: Logged |
DaniPepper87
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posted November 19, 2016 09:45 AM
This happened with me last week. Was asking about my pet, and the tarot always showing me the sad things like death or battles. But in 2 days things are fine! I never do readings when I'm nervous again. quote:
Originally posted by Emsie:
I know this one, too. Used to happen to me several times when I had anxieties, and not a 'clear mind'. The cards started to throw negative and saddening stuff at me, which made me put down the cards for a while. They picked up on my own negativity, I guess. :c
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Randall
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posted November 20, 2016 01:42 PM
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