posted July 02, 2003 11:43 PM         

I'm just curious as to why you seem to write your ideas as fact... They are a series of statements with a "teaching" vibe. How do you know what you believe? Are they books, dreams, or the teacher within? I kind of disagree on a few points - probably just terminology - what do you mean by "soul damaged"? How would you know, or be able to repair it? How old can they be? How do you know where your path is? Are you saying positive actions (ie karma) may not free you from certain destined events? On the other hand, is it possible to have a completely healthy soul that can't be damaged, or can increase in vitality due to positive actions (as opposed to being damaged by negative ones)? Do you think de ja vus are an indication you're on the right path?

I'm just curious

posted July 03, 2003 02:44 AM         

I have a slightly different view, but is kind of applicable to almost anything - I envisage an infinite universe comprising infinite dimenions. Me as I am, exist on every dimension sorting through all sorts of experiences and lessons, and "life". I keep thinking "good, what's the point" but I'm thinking that is life... experiencing... learning, but then these are the influences that I am most "influenced" by. Someone else will devote more energy into gambling for instance.

Now I'm kind of losing track... If every action "has a small reaction" - both on this dimension, then how could they apply to others... Massive negative actions on this dimension could indeed replicate and amplify to lower dimensions affecting all parties involved with the "actor", and likewise the action could've been initiated on a higher dimension by a small slap to a spouse - so any action has to be regarded by its environment, and could result in causes that seem "out of the blue" or result in "it can't happen to me, I've lived a good life" philosophies... I don't know if I'm making much sense, but ONE soul could indeed be multi-dimensional and have numerous paths - all created by their free will, but ALSO have effects running down from "above" and into "below" (cross-dimensional).

To use your analagy only with a fourth dimension of time - I could walk down the tunnel stunbling, and then afterwards go back in time to install a light whereby I could see better, and have an easier path, but complete my life to fast, and hence go back and put some structural damage in the tunnel to set up some "fun" - each action directly involves the same person at different levels...

Any how that's all I have to say at the moment. Any thoughts?

posted July 06, 2003 09:42 PM         

Many times I just sit back and wait... I've found sometimes I actually get depressed from parting with knowledge as I'm unsure how the effect will transpire, or the knowledge wasn't understood, in either way, I agree that existence is about experience - imagination is more important than memory (I don't think this is an oxymoron).

posted August 02, 2003 11:38 PM         

Well said.

posted August 05, 2003 06:02 AM         

Sorry about the length et al, but I find it very difficult to express spiritual matters in words. Many secrets I would wish to reveal to others (not my secrets, but what the Creator has taught me) but cannot, simply because there's no way to physically communicate them. That's why only you can be your own salvation.

posted August 05, 2003 01:14 PM         

Welcome Simon J!

Meili, there are no words to express my gratitude for your presence here, for whatever duration that may be.

Thank you.

posted August 06, 2003 09:20 PM         

'Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.'

- What is the “right” reason for suffering?
what I meant by this is although the Kabbalah states that there are two paths to higher consciousness - tora and suffering - in reality, the path of tora generally constitutes more suffering. humans differ from the creator in basically only one way - they have a will to receive. in this way we are opposite from our creator - for who could the creator possibly receive from? when we ask sincerely for the creator to be a part of our lives, he responds by making us suffer. the student of the spirit usually begins his/her path feeling happy and content with the issue of the spirit - until the pain starts. its the 'many are called, few are chosen' scenario - and so, in order to test our desire for him (for lack of another pronoun, please excuse it), he makes us suffer in order to test us. when we begin to feel our separation from the creator and suffer because we are not like her, ( ) we are then suffering for the right reasons.

You are ignoring the reality of disobedience. Are you proposing that disobedience is pre ordained? Or, from a more distant perspective, man’s fate is pre ordained destruction?:
more than disobedience, absolutely everything is preordained. but, for the purposes of continuing to behave as if we are sentient beings, we are given a 'choice' - our environment. like a tree, we continue to grow - and we bear either 'bad' fruit or 'good fruit', and the fruit we bear depends upon our environment, or in other words, the soil in which we grow. it is our 'choice' to either grow in a good environment or bad environment. hmm thats not very well explained (damn words) so i'll digress for a little bit to see if it makes any more sense. are you familiar with quantum physics? imagine you are moving closer and closer to an object - in fact, now you can see the molecules whizzing around. go closer into the molecule, through the atoms, and the physics changes completely - what was once structured, subatomically behaves in a completely random pattern. these randomly moving subatomic particles produce the illusion of determinism through an aggregate of probability. in other words, even though the particles behave randomly, the value of their randomness starts to behave like something structured, ie. an electron. so, in essence, a particle is behaving in a random yet sequenced order. right? :P
so you say, how does this affect free will? well, if we zoom out now, so far that we can see the entire universe, what do the people on the earth look like? why, they're randomly behaving particles! particles, no doubt, that whether they wish to believe it or not, they are moving to a preordained pattern (much like an electron) without even knowing it! and man's fate is not preordained destruction - the reason the world is as it is now is because many humans refuse to listen, and will eventually suffer because of it - of course, bringing them closer to the creator in the process.

Of course, in Unity, all Attributes are embodied in what we call God. God has the wisdom to manifest His Attributes perfectly. Are you proposing that man also has such perfect wisdom?
yes, man also has the perfect wisdom of god, because he is god. man, however, is blinded by consciousness and his senses. but he differs from god because he desires to receive, rather than give - what he chooses to receive, however, is up to him - but only inasmuch as the environment he chooses to grow.

- If one does not have enemies, then there is no point of comparison. : indeed, so let them be your lesson.

- If one has embodied the worst attributes there is no further humiliation possible. Are you proposing that the entirety of Creation is simply made up of pre programmed robot computers running multiple executable files?
Let me start, worst attributes according to who exactly? Read the quote at the top , and know judge not lest ye be judged. And creation is made up of robots running multiple executable files (i like that one!). Executable files with consciousness, that believe they are in control of what they do (and for a specific purpose). I hear it coming - what is the specific purpose? Here it is - In the beginning (it sounds like a book ) God created Adam Kadmon, a single soul of which every soul here is a part. But by creating us, God knew (as ya do) that we were only really an entire reflection of him - in other words, he had created us. The essence of living is to create ourselves - to become our own God, and one with him, by our own devices through pure faith, and in doing so we return to the creator whom of which we are a part.

Do you believe it is possible to “destroy” the ego? What are the tricks and fancies of the ego? After all, you must first identify that which you plan to destroy, yes?
I must say, i shouldnt have used the word destroy, seeing as though it is impossible to destroy anything. It is more a question of transcendence - the ego is there so we may finally overcome it through our own devices, and be one with Him. The ego aint out to trick you. I think the best name for the ego is Lucifer - the 'light-bringer' (notice how in the scriptures Lucifer perfectly carries out his 'light-bringing' job from god, only after he falls) Lucifer's (or satan, set, devil, ego) simple job is to bring you to the light. In Tarot, the 15th card, representative of the aforementioned fellow, has a specific lesson linked with it - 'Sublimation of the lower self, transmuting that energy into a usable power.' In other words, taking your carnal instincts and putting them to the use primarily for other's gain. Only then if that lesson is completed does reality move onto the next stage - the Tower, which is reminiscent of the tower of Babel - everything you store in this material world, unless built on a foundation of God, will be utterly blown away. The Tower is representative of the death of the ego.

posted August 07, 2003 04:52 AM         

'It is not expected that an ignorant man argue necessitarian perspectives, nor make the argument for pre-destination. Those arguments are under the purvey of the Wise, who Know the totality of causality and consequence.' ... what the heck am I doing discussing this then?

'Yes, a bit circular, but I do understand what you are trying to communicate. However, let us say that man has the “potential” for the perfect wisdom of God, and not the manifestation of said wisdom.' ... if the universe has taught me anything, everything is circular. It's impossible to say A is B unless B is also A, no? Of course, this is a forum for discussion of spiritual insight, not semantics.

'And do you propose that this return happens even if we do not execute that which we were designed to? What happens when a file is corrupted and not “executing properly”? Finally, some of the greatest saints were some of the worst sinners. That is how one arrives at the position of non-judgment. Of course this does not encompass all the Holy Ones, but it accurately describes the "some".'... what I state clearly is that return happens because we are created only to execute that for which we were designed. We were created by God, and God cannot be corrupted, ipsum facto a soul cannot do anything else but be 'executed properly'. (And if there were errors, I'm sure my creator has a better parity check than my Duron). Also, do you mean saint as in those canonised by a church, or saint as in a -real- saint? Many of those canonised by the church, or even in positions of power, have been some of the most corrupt of our time (corrupt because they abuse their power, not to be confused with a 'corrupt soul' - God bless them - I think it was Pius II who held a public orgy with a good amount of girls including his wife and daughters.)

'The dragon is the ego, take care when you stir it from its slumber.'... or be prepared to fight tooth and nail to escape its grasp.

posted September 04, 2003 07:38 PM         

Jason, some of us love to philosiphy. It's what we do. Life is fairly simple when it is not complicated by problems, or filled with opportunities to experience, and even if we could, ultimately why would we?

This may be a different topic, but I constantly think I've been around to long and therefore everything is kind of boring. To help spice it I learn either from books or other people, but always new theories for anything! Sometimes even theories become mundane, but then I wait for life to do something and it usually does.

Meillie, on this note, a question. If you so disired to not come back to this beautiful place ever again, where could you go? Would it have to be less beautiful, but more relaxing, or could you not exist for the sake of not existing? So many people love being, but what if it's because that is the only way they can be? I mean, they know not how not to be!?

Just wondering.

Dean/o.

posted September 04, 2003 11:22 PM         

Meili (sorry for misspelling sometimes) with QED, I always thought it was interesting how light would leave an electron and "know" where to go to meat the next - of course, this is the basis of existance and allows all thing to feel, and be etc., but I find it interesting that on such a small scale, there is a point where the first electron has detoured, the second is still moving in, and the photon is just flying out aimlessly - like it must KNOW or at the least, that time doesn't exist in this interaction - this is when anti-particles are introduced. Is this what you mean that we'll understand this when we understand the Tao? I've read "The Tao of Physics which goes along these concepts to explain eastern philosophies and their relation to modern physics. Quite interesting...

Dean/o.