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Petron
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posted March 27, 2004 01:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Petron     Edit/Delete Message
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posted April 11, 2004 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for quiksilver     Edit/Delete Message
I can feel the ice. And it is cold.....

-- /Simplicity is not a crime. Nor is it simple./

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posted April 12, 2004 10:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for quiksilver     Edit/Delete Message
hmmmm, but you spelled it "s-e-e shells". i know you must have had a reason that i do not at this time understand
well, it's a fitting name, at least. the beach is my second home.....

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posted April 12, 2004 11:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for quiksilver     Edit/Delete Message
ohhh, i get it. there's another poster named "seeshells". makes sense now!

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posted July 22, 2004 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for orchidspirit     Edit/Delete Message
Bump

Ive been rereading these posts and I think this should be close to the others so all knowflakes can find them easily

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posted August 09, 2004 05:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alarik     Edit/Delete Message
lol...

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posted August 09, 2004 08:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TINK     Edit/Delete Message
What did you think of it, Alarik?
Math makes me dizzy.

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posted August 10, 2004 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alarik     Edit/Delete Message
Well, it's nice and all, but, I mean, you could get any number you wanted to out of that triangle. Literally. For every significant 365 and 10 and 60, you have a 72 and a 239 and a 758. So why is it impressive that you can get some siginficant ones? It's like saying x > 0 is a magic equation because it contains so many prime numbers. Well, yeah, it does, but it also contains a hell of a lot of non-primes . It sounds cool because he went through the billions of possible calculations (well, actually the infinite number of possible calculations) you could put those numbers through, and picked out maybe a dozen that came up with important-seeming results. It's like he's saying that alphabet soup is magical because he can spell the word 'magic' with the letters contained in it. You can, but you can also spell the word 'mundane'. Or any other word.

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posted August 10, 2004 07:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sesame     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah, I've been trying to understand these too. My view is that they could be useful if you ould somehow find an underlying pattern that the numbers will predict something. Like for instance the distance to all planets. Not to mention that miles are used here. This one give me mixed feelings too - I'm ausatralian and hence everything falls down to 10 - the number of fingers we have. I do believe numbers are magical, but not necessarily in their measurements. Are the lengths and values presented here rounded off much? why use pi to 6 decimal places, but round everything else of? I believe numbers are magical and "prove the existence of the creator" based on Chaldean numerology - ie. how does your name mean anything? Likewise your date of birth? It always spins me out. But the meaning is there - incorporated by God (who else). There are other debates in here i'd love to join sometime about God etc, but won't now. Did you know, in Chaldean numerology omega = 20 - The Awakening, and alpha = 18 - The Spiritual/Material conflict, also 9, the ending? I though this was interesting. Also, the number you guys seem to love so much, 666 is found in a row - U, V, W all equal 6, which in Chaldea means love, but the 18 as mentioned has the conflict.

I truly do find it fascinating though how many values come from the Tektractis. I just kind of think, like Daf said "so what"? It's interesting, yet pointless. It's like Free Masonry in general. They may hold info that is quite similar and makes them feel important, but how does it affect us? I may show my ignorance here with Freemasonry as they could have power over society, but then there are millions of cospiracy theories we could debate also. At the end of the day, this stuff continually gives me a dual feeling of interest and indifference. But also as Daf says, he didn't feel what some of the things Petron wrote, as I don't feel for most of the thing syou both wrote. But that's just me. Interested, but indifferent. I tru;y don't mean o be harsh here, and I think many people out there would love to know this stuff, but I also wish more people were aware of Linda's interpretation of the Chaldean system which I think is truly magical, but that's just me. The problem is you can't intellectualise Chaldean numerology, nor can you really learn more truths from it (unless you study Chaldea and interpret it yourself). So what I think (not that it matters) is that it's good both Daf and Petron have this passion to unlock numbers, I also think there is a lot more to discover in life.

Heaps of Love,
Dean.

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is not one grain of sand.
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posted August 10, 2004 07:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kat     Edit/Delete Message
I think what blows me away is that everything in the world can be distilled down to pi. There is a consistant geometry in absolutely everything. If anything is zoomed up to an extremly huge size the geometry is the same mathematically.

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Petron
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posted August 14, 2004 02:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Petron     Edit/Delete Message
yes of course there are underlying patterns enfolded within the tetraktys
patterns definitely employed by the chaldeans
the questions i asked dafremen were to see if he understood it but he characterizes my questions as "presumptious and skeptical", implying that im obsessed with numbers? geez ive never even added up and reduced the letters of my name or birthday or address let alone would i speak of them as "evidence" or proofs"
a mathematician knows there are far more truths that cannot be proven than those which can
i dont even really have a problem with some1 calling "0" god (although it looks more like the Dragon to me,see "the symbology of numbers") its only that Daf was stabbing at everything "pagan" as being "dirt worship" while calling god the 1 thing most constrained by shape and number....the tetraktys
i was only holding up a mirror before him(btw light is a much more integral,rational phenomena than matter )

now he is seeming to espouse sufism , which strikes me as a form of pantheism, with many parallels to the mithraic mysteries( geez how mithraic is the concept of "djinn"??), but he only wants to pass out his message with no "debate"

as a matter of fact the only diagram i could find on the net by Ibn Arabi contained within it another mithraic formula for 666 generated by the tetraktys

but i should heed Dafs message and bite my tongue and pluck out mine eye rather than run the risk of being mesmerized by the artistry of the Creation...

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So is this the final good bye Daf? I for one will miss you greatly. Your words and insights are an inspiration that there is more out there than meets the eye, which I always find useful in the meaning for existence. I have yet to read through all of your posts, but all in good time. I hope you come back sometime, there will always be a place for you here.

Best of luck in finding what you're looking for,
Dean.

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Petron
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posted August 23, 2004 01:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Petron     Edit/Delete Message
Dafremen

what mirror have you held up to me?? because of your preconceptions, you project your own disdain for math and science onto me.
i introduced you to the Godel theorem and chaos theory to show it has been proven already the severe self imposed limitations and contradictions that arise in any rigid system like aristotlean logic or premise based mathematics .
the best mathematicians and scientists in history have understood well the holistic approach reveals more truths than the reductionist view of the creation, which tends towards the eventual conclusion of a mechanized, pre destined, clockwork universe...
thats why i suggested that all four "beasts" must hold clues to solve the puzzle of the tetraktys...looking at just "that one" wouldnt have told me anything
which is why i emphasize that those great scientific and spiritual men likely pondered GOD more sincerely than the average religious evangelist or priest... youve probly never studied Johannes Kepler's work as i suggested...
is it even possible for a dirt mind,constrained by shape and number, to transcend the dualistic concept of Creator and Created, and write it down with only 26 letters?
i dont know but i certainly didnt intend to be more "useful" to you if you were going to start slandering great teachers who dwell in heaven
all you had to do was face my questions before these witnesses and i would have continued to share, but instead you answer evryones questions BUT mine....thats too bad because i know many of the correct questions....

again i say, you are the one whose words here speak of "evidence" and "proof", so now you will just leave without offering it?

so then it must be time for you to pop up somewhere else and say, once again, "i just completed a two year scientific experiment where i used subtle psychological manipulations to determine what buttons really **** people off when i repeatedly push them..."


0+
21+
543+
9+87+6=
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666

0+
89+
567+
1+2+3+4=
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666

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alkmi
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posted August 25, 2004 04:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alkmi     Edit/Delete Message
"To atone for my error, this has been removed. Please look elsewhere for answers, as I have none."

how really humble...

so the philosopher and lucifer are chatting. and lucifer says 'there's no God."

the philosopher blinks and says: really? than what is the point of this conversation? "

lucifer says -- 'well there's no God, i just wanted you to know.'

"No WHAT? I repeat my question -- what are we atlking about? Had to clarify. I mean -- if there's no -- what you say -- then what is thepoint of this conversation? I mnean the subject -- the jist of it?"

"you're so arrogant," says Lucifer. But them it fades away, defeated by logic.

hey -- don't disable your smiley today

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