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Topic: We have no karma?
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juniperb
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From: Big Dipper
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted September 14, 2004 11:04 PM
 
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000868.html Thought provoking.   ------------------
If having a soul means being able to feel love and loyalty and gratitude, then animals are better off than a lot of humans. ~James Herriot IP: Logged |
thirteen
Knowflake Posts: 413
From: Rochester Hills, MI USA
Registered: May 2004
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posted September 15, 2004 09:47 AM
i love the hitler reference. Yes what of him and other bad, bad folks (Hussain) who bring so much awakening ( goodness) to mankind. I can't imagine what kind of karma they would have. Then i start to think of all the followers and all the evil deeds that so many ( generals and officers)have done. Who decides who will pay back what. Food for thought indeed....IP: Logged |
sesame
Moderator Posts: 943
From: Oz
Registered: Nov 2003
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posted September 15, 2004 08:25 PM
Well, Conversations with God brings up Hitler a fair bit. I still don't understand that yet. I think the gist is that we attract what we wish to experience (4/8 ring any bells?). So in the case of Hitler, he was attracted by the mass consciousness of the people at that time.? This reminds me of Napolean - he also seemed to have been attracted into power and swept across Europer. War and Peace was awesome - especially the epilogues if you get a chance. So I think there aren't rules as such, but what we make ourselves. What we attract ours-elves. It is hard for our awareness to comprehend pain and suffering, but it happens. It's usually at this point where debates about this get fairly dramatic with my gf. But Karma can indeed get hairy. So, maybe Karma may be defined as "The attraction of like energies that may transcend spacetime".Heaps of Love,
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Suzume
Knowflake Posts: 199
From: Australia
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted September 15, 2004 11:32 PM
thas an interesting thoery, Dean.By the way. I'm 16. Let me believe in magic  I've found believing enough that I can do something, lets me do it. Is this determination? I have juvinile athritis in my hands and legs, was born bowed legged and go through emense pain after walking for long periods of time. (They straigthened over time. I was put through a fish tank and had my right shoulder muscle sliced in half. I have been told by many docters I shouldn't be doing anything physical. Meanwhile I train in karate, taekwondo, akido, hapkido, boxing may thai kickboxing and ninjutsu. I want to compete in the olympics for karate and taekwondo and maybe even boxing. I compete in all sorts of tournaments and am un-deafeted. I am going to the olympics, and no docter can make me "believe" I cant. I've been told by alot of trainers I could go to the olympics, they dont know about my past injuries. IP: Logged |
sesame
Moderator Posts: 943
From: Oz
Registered: Nov 2003
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posted September 16, 2004 12:14 AM
That's awesome! Go for it! Suzuume! Magic does exist. You reminded me of a song by Pearl Jam (many things do) called "I'm Open": quote:
A man lies in his bed in a room with no door
He waits, hoping for a presence; something, anything to enter
After spending half his life searching, he still felt as blank
As the ceiling at which he stared
He is alive, but feels absolutely nothing
So, is he?
When he was six he believed that the moon overhead followed him
By nine, he had deciphered the illusion, trading magic for fact
No tradebacks...
So this is what it's like to be an adult
If he only knew now what he knew then...
I'm open... (2x)
Come on in... (4x)
I'm open... (2x)
Come on in... (4x)
I'm open...
Lying sideways atop crumpled sheets and no covers he decides to dream...
Dream up a new self for himself...
You're an inspiration!  Dean. IP: Logged |
orchidspirit
Knowflake Posts: 154
From: UK
Registered: May 2004
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posted September 16, 2004 03:34 AM
What an interesting thread!  Juni thankyou for the link..... Very explanatory  IP: Logged |
Suzume
Knowflake Posts: 199
From: Australia
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted September 16, 2004 06:10 AM
lol. Nice song. Downloading it now.Oh by the way, watch the 2012 olympics for an ASHz!!! I'm comming. IP: Logged |
trillian
Moderator Posts: 3555
From: The Boundless
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted September 16, 2004 03:16 PM
Suzume, congratulations on all your accomplishments. I admire you for them. Bravo, and I look forward to hearing of your Olympic successes.Magic does exist, whether you are 16 or 616.
Belief is a part of the puzzle. But belief did not singularly enable you to triumph. You worked hard, with determination. I doubt we will ever find an Olympic athlete who merely thinks him or herself into incredible physical shape and amazing abilities...without the hard work also required. What of someone like Christopher Reeve? Does he believe less than you do? Is there a measurement of belief? If he believes harder, will he walk again? Those are rhetorical questions. I don't have the answers. But I dislike seeing The Meaning to the Answer To Life wrapped up a little too neatly, especially when the package is labeled 'belief.' Because belief is in the eye of the beholder. Some people believe in Jesus, some in Buddha, some in nothing at all. They are all most likely right, and wrong. 
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thirteen
Knowflake Posts: 413
From: Rochester Hills, MI USA
Registered: May 2004
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posted September 16, 2004 03:33 PM
but did not belief and desire fuel the ability to accomplish the hard work. IP: Logged |
sesame
Moderator Posts: 943
From: Oz
Registered: Nov 2003
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posted September 16, 2004 06:43 PM
Yes, I believe it's the essence which forms the motivation. Some atheists can do remarkable work from the angle of "I'm Doing It" while Buddhists might do the same things and say "I'm Being It", but Christians might also do these things and say "Jesus loves me for doing this", but really, they are all doing the same thing Trillian, what do you think of my Meaning... ------------------
The Meaning of Life, is to Live!
My numerology program based on "Star Signs" by Linda Goodman
Logically Magical Logic is Magically Logical Magic! (and vice versa!) IP: Logged |
trillian
Moderator Posts: 3555
From: The Boundless
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted September 16, 2004 09:37 PM
Yes Dean, we are all doing the same thing. We are living. "We are One. But we're not the same. We get to carry each other..." --Bono Here's to the Joy of Life.  IP: Logged |
sesame
Moderator Posts: 943
From: Oz
Registered: Nov 2003
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posted September 16, 2004 11:17 PM
Thanks so much Trillian! I was waiting, peacefully and patiently for an opportunity to share with you something. I was actually going to put it on the Tibetan exercise thread as you inquired as to my wedding, but here's cool...Sally and I were going to have one as "our" song in the ceremony. We were going to dance to it, but it goes for fairly long, and I can't dance, so we kept thinking. Then we were out shopping, and "Happy ..." Um, I forget the name of the song. OK, try to guess this one: "Me and you, and you and me
Da da da da da
da da da da Happy together! That's the one! We're gonna play that! It's cool, because we've told a fair few people it was gonna be One, so when it plays, and we hop and bop around feeling so happy it's gonna blow people away! I'm looking forward to it now - one week to go! Heaps of Love,
Dean. ps, and some more Love IP: Logged |
juniperb
Knowflake Posts: 5720
From: Big Dipper
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted September 17, 2004 12:04 AM
Deano, you mean The Turtles song Happy Together HAPPY TOGETHER
Imagine me and you, I do
I think about you day and night, it's only right
To think about the girl you love and hold her tight
So happy together
If I should call you up, invest a dime
And you say you belong to me and ease my mind
Imagine how the world could be, so very fine
So happy together I can't see me lovin' nobody but you
For all my life
When you're with me, baby the skies'll be blue
For all my life Me and you and you and me
No matter how they toss the dice, it has to be
The only one for me is you, and you for me
So happy together I can't see me lovin' nobody but you
For all my life
When you're with me, baby the skies'll be blue
For all my life Me and you and you and me
No matter how they toss the dice, it has to be
The only one for me is you, and you for me
So happy together Ba-ba-ba-ba ba-ba-ba-ba ba-ba-ba ba-ba-ba-ba
Ba-ba-ba-ba ba-ba-ba-ba ba-ba-ba ba-ba-ba-ba Me and you and you and me
No matter how they toss the dice, it has to be
The only one for me is you, and you for me
So happy together So happy together
How is the weather
So happy together
We're happy together
So happy together
Happy together
So happy together
So happy together (ba-ba-ba-ba ba-ba-ba-ba) One of my all time favorites. Either way, I just dated myself majorly  Congratulations to you & she!! ------------------
If having a soul means being able to feel love and loyalty and gratitude, then animals are better off than a lot of humans. ~James Herriot IP: Logged |
sesame
Moderator Posts: 943
From: Oz
Registered: Nov 2003
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posted September 17, 2004 12:33 AM
Thank you so much Juni! Yes, that's the one. I just got back frmo Lunch and I was going to try to find it and post it, but now I don't need to. Thanks heaps. I'll try to learn the words so I can sing and dance...  Isn't it a Beautiful song though? I couldn't read it without singing it. Sally and I always make our own words. It's so catchy, but we didn't know what they were Once you start, that days a right off singing that song. Thanks again Juni,
Dean. IP: Logged |
juniperb
Knowflake Posts: 5720
From: Big Dipper
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted September 17, 2004 12:39 AM
May your two s beat as one. ------------------
If having a soul means being able to feel love and loyalty and gratitude, then animals are better off than a lot of humans. ~James Herriot IP: Logged |
trillian
Moderator Posts: 3555
From: The Boundless
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted September 17, 2004 08:58 AM
Dean...what a wonderful choice for your wedding song. My heart is bursting with happiness for you both, because your joy and love are so obvious. I wish you joy in every moment together. Blessings to you both. Namaste. IP: Logged |
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