posted July 27, 2005 02:43 PM         

My bad!!

**Pokes Faye with a psychic stick**

posted July 03, 2006 04:30 AM         

I finally scanned all your posts, though without reading each and every one message more carefully- I wish I could have; when I was first given the link to this thread by fayte I became interested in the topic instantly, and wanted to talk about who I thought I had been in some of (of course, I don't think I remember ALL of them!) my past lives, but before that I'd really would like to read your posts first. Now I can see the thread has been somehow led to a different direction, but I have yet to have sufficiant time to examine what had happened. Until that is done, I don't think I can participate in the discussion effectively. I'd love to share my thoughts regarding what I perceive as my possible past lives, but now I'm not so sure if you guys would still be interested, or find those irrelevant, or perhaps I should guard my own privacy more prudently and give reasonable amount of my personal information in the same fashion...but I'd love to share my ideas, as I said earlier. Maybe after a closer look at the thread for the second time, I will...note that I said "maybe". I don't like making promises that I probably can't keep and then break them.

posted July 09, 2006 08:45 AM         

Thank you for bringing this up. It can be quite frightening sometimes. I've discussed my possible past lives in the new "Past lives" thread, and all I can tell you is-

I think I know that I used to be horrendous criminals in some of my past lives- but highly unlikely to have had any fame or "reputations"...I think I lived as soldiers in wars in different times, but as I was fighting, in at least one of those past lives, I painfully struggled with my inner conflicts/contradictions...

My deepest sorrow, respect and sincere well wishes for the survivors of the Holocaust

posted July 09, 2006 08:48 AM           

When you Master your Self here..Mind to HigherSelf to OverSoul GOD..then you have understanding..
it is still difficult..for earth and the physical causes needs..and we must overcome them... .
be sure though that it rests with your first mate..your twin..for you to have complete completion and complete knowlegde..for each pair is a lock and key..

that is the only miracle that will save Earth..Twin Souls re-uniting in LOve and Light..revealing the mysteries in TIME..for reality time is running out!

posted July 22, 2006 10:57 PM         

I also believe I was around during around the turn of the 1900's and made attempts to be in pictures-may even have done a few silent movies but if I did, it didn't go anywhere. I've come to this conclusion because when I was a young child, I had a vison of titles from the old time movies flashing on my bedroom wall and whenever I watched the Oscars I would cry and say to myself, that should be me up there. I should be accepting that award. And it feels true.

Beyond these I have no idea except I know I've been around for quite a while.

posted July 25, 2006 07:10 AM         

Many blessings!

posted July 25, 2006 11:17 AM         

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"But it makes me wonder, I mean the victims are only 1/2 of the story what about the others, the Hitlers, Himmlers and Mengeles? Or did they all go directly to the burning fires of hell? Do not pass Go, do not collect $200.
I guess I ask because it scares me. How could someone ever make up for those crimes perpetrated in a former life?"

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To continue:
The story of the two women fighting over the baby in King Solomon's day.

Two women, who were living in the same house, each had a child at about the same time. One of the infants died. The conflict began after the woman who lost her baby switched her dead infant with the living infant of the other woman. Both were harlots, there was no father to help make an identification, so the matter was brought before Solomon. What to do? There were no modern-day fingerprints (or footprints) or photographs available; all that Solomon had to work with was human nature. So, Solomon resorted to a ruse with sword that had the effect of revealing the truth.

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Then came there two women, that were harlots, unto the king, and stood before him. And the one woman said, O my lord, I and this woman dwell in one house; and I was delivered of a child with her in the house. And it came to pass the third day after that I was delivered, that this woman was delivered also: and we were together; there was no stranger with us in the house, save we two in the house."
"And this woman's child died in the night; because she overlaid it. And she arose at midnight, and took my son from beside me, while thine handmaid slept, and laid it in her bosom, and laid her dead child in my bosom. And when I rose in the morning to give my child suck, behold, it was dead: but when I had considered it in the morning, behold, it was not my son, which I did bear."

"And the other woman said, Nay; but the living is my son, and the dead is thy son. And this said, No; but the dead is thy son, and the living is my son. Thus they spake before the king."

"Then said the king, The one saith, This is my son that liveth, and thy son is the dead: and the other saith, Nay; but thy son is the dead, and my son is the living."

"And the king said, Bring me a sword. And they brought a sword before the king. And the king said, Divide the living child in two, and give half to the one, and half to the other."

"Then spake the woman whose the living child was unto the king, for her bowels yearned upon her son, and she said, O my lord, give her the living child, and in no wise slay it. But the other said, Let it be neither mine nor thine, but divide it."

"Then the king answered and said, Give her the living child, and in no wise slay it: she is the mother thereof."

"And all Israel heard of the judgment which the king had judged; and they feared the king: for they saw that the wisdom of God was in him, to do judgment." (1 Kings 3:16-28 KJV)

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Baby found alive; woman arrested
Saturday, December 18, 2004 Posted: 3:14 PM EST (2014 GMT)

(CNN) -- Authorities late Friday said a Kansas woman who had a miscarriage earlier this year confessed to strangling a pregnant Missouri woman in her home and then cutting the baby from her womb -- a crime the local sheriff described as the most gruesome he had ever seen.

Lisa Montgomery, 36, of Melvern, Kansas, was arrested and charged in the kidnapping of the child "resulting in the death of the infant's mother" Bobbie Jo Stinnett, 23, according to an FBI affidavit filed late Friday.

If convicted, Montgomery could face a maximum of life in prison or the death penalty, and a maximum $250,000 fine.

The infant girl has been recovered and was in good condition at Stormont-Vail Regional Medical Center in Topeka.

The girl's father was reunited with her Friday evening, authorities said. She was the couple's first child.

"The baby is fine. The baby is doing great," U.S. Attorney Todd Graves said.

Stinnett was found dead in a pool of blood in her home Thursday afternoon by her mother, who called 911 saying it looked "as though her daughter's stomach had exploded," according to the affidavit.

Crime scene investigators later determined her womb had been cut laterally, the baby removed and the umbilical cord cut, the affidavit said.

"The victim was found with blond hair clenched in her hands," the affidavit says.

Town in shock
The crime shocked Skidmore, a town of about 300 people, with some residents shuttering their doors, saying they no longer felt safe.

"It's very hard for me to accept this," Nodaway County Sheriff Ben Espey told reporters. "Nobody here could ever perceive this taking place -- to have a fetus taken out of someone's womb and then doing an Amber Alert to try to find a child."

The affidavit paints a picture of deceit and premeditation on the part of Montgomery.

It alleges that the woman, using a fictitious name, contacted Stinnett on Wednesday through an Internet chat room about looking at rat terriers the Stinnetts sold over the Internet.

The two agreed to meet Thursday at Stinnett's home. Then, on Thursday afternoon, a neighbor reported seeing a dirty, red pinkish, two-door vehicle -- most likely an import -- outside the Stinnett home.

With a search under way on the ground, computer investigators began talking with Internet providers and were able to trace the fictitious e-mailer to the Montgomery's home, more than 130 miles away.

Authorities immediately began surveillance of the home and saw Montgomery Friday with a "newborn female infant," according to the affidavit
They also noticed a vehicle matching the description of the one seen outside the Stinnett's home. It alleges that the suspect's husband, Kevin, told authorities his wife called him shortly after he arrived home from work Thursday, around 5:15 p.m., saying she had gone shopping in Topeka, went into labor and had a baby.

The husband and the couple's two high-school age children drove to Topeka and met Montgomery in the parking lot of a Long John Silver's restaurant. He, his wife and the child drove home in his pickup truck, and the older children drove his wife's car, a red Toyota Corolla, the affidavit alleges.

Montgomery told her husband the baby was born at a women's clinic in Topeka, but authorities said a subsequent check there revealed no babies were born there Thursday.

Once in custody, the affidavit alleges, Montgomery "confessed to having strangled Stinnett and removing the fetus. Lisa Montgomery further admitted the baby she had was Stinnett's baby and that she had lied to her husband about giving birth to a child."

Espey and Graves said Montgomery had a miscarriage at some point this year, although they would not say how recently it occurred.

Espey told CNN the pregnancy was six months along when the child was lost. Of the possible motive in this case, Espey said, "I think she was probably going to take it because she had lost one through a miscarriage at about six months."

Authorities expressed great relief that the child was recovered alive, and attributed that success to the Amber Alert system.

Authorities learned of the Internet chat room where Montgomery allegedly made contact with Stinnett from a tipster in North Carolina. "We may have not ever recovered this little baby if the Amber Alert system was not put into place," Espey told reporters. "I'm overwhelmed with the fact that we're going to be able to get this baby back."

Sgt. Sheldon Lyon, a spokesman with the Missouri State Highway Patrol, said, "This is a great day for law enforcement in northwest Missouri."

The Internet chat room "Ratter Chatter," a haven for rat terrier lovers in cyberspace, was overwhelmed with responses from its users, many of whom indicated they knew both the victim and suspect in the case.

"I cannot believe how sorrowful I am. They have taken Lisa into custody. I don't know what is worse -- the horrible crime -- or the possibility that it might be Lisa. Someone just shoot me," wrote one user by the name of Jill.

Another user named Teresa wrote, "I am sitting here in shock, not knowing how to break this. I just received a phone call from a reporter in Missouri saying that Bobbie was killed today and her fetus stolen! I am absolutely horrified!"

Skidmore was the subject of intense media attention in 1981, when town bully Ken Rex McElroy was shot to death in his pickup on the main street in front of more than 40 witnesses. Despite a lengthy investigation, none of the witnesses would identify the killer.

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There are other similar cases:

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http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/10/13/pregnantwoman.attacked/index.html
DA: Woman tried to cut baby from neighbor

Friday, October 14, 2005; Posted: 9:51 a.m. EDT (13:51 GMT)
CNN) -- A Pennsylvania woman beat her eight-month pregnant neighbor with a baseball bat before taking her to a remote area and trying to cut out her unborn baby, a district attorney said Thursday.
SEE THE Above link if you wish to read this one in its entireity.

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So who are the victims and who are the murderers?
When past lives are added into the equation the reasons for certain horrific actions change...at least in theory.
Oh yes, the victim indeed can be innocent, no past life reason for them to suffer thusly, as in children, I especially feel they are innocent victims. Karmic justice only works if the victim is old enough to understand. A child is not. And I feel adult victims can be innocent of past life crimes. The ones who hurt or kill them just pick at random and for no other reason. So even with Karmic debts and reincarnation taken into account, it is not a case of simple black and white.

So before judging any human as inherently damned or evil or even an innocent victim...look at what may be the Karmic factors at work.
The exceptions I feel are most commonly children or young folks. Though some adults who are victims may be simply random targets.

Just some theories and hypotheticals to consider.

posted July 25, 2006 01:40 PM         

I had a strange experience recently.
When browsing through a net gallery I stumbled on a portrait. That portrait gave me complete shock. It is such a spitting image of someone I know here and now that I just stared for a while feeling very empty and confused.

I doubt if that this kind of physical similarity has anything to do with past lives, but what could it be? Blood relation is possible and it is probably the easiest explanation too. After all, his descendants (if any) have had few centuries to move around anywhere. Trouble is that I have strong nagging feeling that I stumbled onto something else. Something important, something I ought to know or understand.

Any ideas? Any similar stories?

And my apologizes if someone feels that this post doesn't belong here.