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posted May 20, 2005 12:27 PM         

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To Fayte: Bravo! Well said. I appreciate your loving and well-thought explainations. You have such compassion. You teach me. Thank you.

To Iamthat: If the creator does not think past lives are important then why do we remember at all? I have never called upon any enity to help me recall a past life, and yet the memories are there. Why?
And, why would raising someone from the dead be considered "dark"? If God is omnipotent then where does the "dark" come from? If Jesus is the Son of God, then why would he need to call on some other power or teaching to raise the dead or do anything? If one of Christianity's great ministers of today, or perhaps the pope raised someone from the dead, would they be considered dark?
Just curious.

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posted May 20, 2005 02:59 PM         

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Saturn's Child! Thank you most sincerely! I am not perfect, but My heart is in what I do.
I am glad you understand what I am saying. And I do not give past life readings out! I may ask questions, but if the memories are not there, it will trigger nothing. I also never without permission, and I also never tell anyone something if it is not time...I do not care how badly they want a reading! I have had people offer me alot of money to tell them the past and the future. I do not take money, and I will not allow myself to be bought(and I sure could use the money!) and people have gotten very angry with me because they cannot "just lay their monies down" and get a reading! That is egocentric and in it for the fame and fortune! I realize I am probably upsetting those who do read for money. Maybe it is ok for them, but for me, it is not my way. I do not deal with who to take to the prom, or who is going to win what game, or the everyday aspects of life. With rare, and I do mean rare, I will look in future probabilties, but it all depends on the case. As for Lot's wife, that just seems strange to me and another one of those Biblical stories that just does not add up! I mean, the poor woman supposedly only looked back, but her husband went on to impregnate his own two daughters! And while stinking drunk! ....I'm sorry I keep leaving, but I have dial up internet, and I am waiting for a phone call! More later! Keep talking, posting your rememberings, and asking questions! And YES! Even opinions for or against!
And to IamThat: if you are afraid I will read you and post it here, or even tell you, you have absolutely no need to fear! I already know you are not supposed to know at this time. You will have your eureka, or epiphany, or awakening to whatever you do not know yet, or do not want to see or know yet, when it is time. I will not tell you anything about you. Feel safer now?

And again this:
TO ALL WITH LOVE!
Jesus said, "let him who seeks continue seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will become troubled. When he becomes troubled, he will be astonished, and he will rule over the all."
Jesus said, "Recognize what is in your sight, and that which is hidden from you will become plain to you. For there is nothing hidden which will not become manifest."
From "The Gospel of Thomas"

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posted May 20, 2005 03:54 PM         

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Dear SC,

Its a valid question. Why do we remember only the past and why doesn't our brain have a sense of future. May be its because of the universe we live in and to sustain life, it is so.

The fact remains that we still do not remember all our past lives. You may remember some of them for fulfulling your current Dharma/Karmic obligation. I have personally not experienced past recalls and have only heard of some himalayan yogis who are able to do that for others.

You asked why I consider power to bring from death being dark. I didn't say it, thats the impression I got after watching the movie. If you look at it, Death is not death but a transformation that each must go thru. It is for good. Is it then not a work of dark power to prevent that transformation and interfere with nature. Is it also then that anything that goes against nature is dark (for example sexual perversion, past life recount, future foretelling, etc)?

A counter argument could be. Lets say this universe's master is a dark lord. Then going against laws of nature is good. Because we are not being subservient to the dark lord.

But who can tell the truth? Each one has its own truth to live by? The sheeps already know their sheperd.

I am sorry I am not a guru, but what ever I have I use to play my own devil's advocate. Each one can and should thats my point. The more experienced would only help others to dig their answers than provide direct answers. Such person is a true guru.

The paradoxical debate would never end. What if what we consider our external guru is a henchman of a Lord. And the debate goes on.

My objective is not to spoil the fun. I am game for it, if it does not hurt anyone in the end. I know I sound as bizarre as the quantum world does sometimes. But hey each one is unique.

One more thing, my reasoning on Yeshua going to Egypt was to train himself, to perfect himself, so that his body would be abode for God to dwell in him. I am thinking if what ever he did came from that God/spirit that resided upon him when he had reached perfection.

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posted May 20, 2005 04:06 PM         

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Dear Fayte,

You mentioned : "If you are afraid I will read you and post it here"

How do I know you are right when I myself don't remember? I may have had one or two bizarre dream, but I cannot rule that its a dream from past life.

You know what I mean. One thing I do know intuitively is that, we water signs are all cousins to each other, so you do not mean any harm to me and likewise

Do you know why Judas was chosen to betray Yeshua?

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posted May 20, 2005 06:23 PM         

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Oh MY!
You said I said:
If you are afraid I will read you and post it here
EEK! That should read I WILL NOT POST IT HERE! Ouch! Where did I say I would?????????

iAmThat....You ask a lot of questions and have many opinions, so what are you searching for?
Next. You said;Quote:
thats the impression I got after watching the movie.

That is one of the first things I ask people to try to do...turn off the @##$$%$%%^&&* Television and do not believe everything you see in movies! The human mind is very impressionable, and the more afraid a person is, the more the subliminal effect on the psyche, and the reptilian complex.

Next.You said;Quote:
Is it then not a work of dark power to prevent that transformation and interfere with nature.
So you are saying that Yeshua, if death was stopped, or reversed, that he was evil? Unnatural? And I do not subscribe to the myths. So no sense in using them to justify his doing it as good based on dogmatics. It is either a good thing or not, and such power comes from God.

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Is it also then that anything that goes against nature is dark (for example sexual perversion, past life recount, future foretelling, etc)?

Only God can grant such to anyone. I do not believe in anything a human being does as being dark or light or unnatural! If they can do something, then God is allowing it! God has many ways of helping people learn. What may appear as sexual perversion, may not to another. The ankle was once a naughty thing to show. Sexual mores change throughout time and societies also. And past life recall? If people remember or want to, that is between them and themselves and God within to show them the way to remember. Your stand against it and equating to evil implies a great terror of finding out things about yourself! You do not have to go there! No one is forcing you to! These good people here posting their rememberings have committed no sin, no crime against God! They are not being beguiled or coerced, or forced in any way! The mere fact that it is happening, poves that it is just fine with God and ABSOLUTELY and perfectly NATURAL!

If a person has been entrusted with gifts from God, what is more natural?

I am not sure what more to say to you. I am sorry this upsets and confuses you.

I have done my best to explain, but a man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still.....and I feel I am speaking to someone who has made up their mind, or nearly so. and nothing I, or anyone else will/can say will make you see things from another perspective.....But it is that small glimmer of a searcher, that urge to question and confront,...that makes me feel that I should at least give you the benefit of doubt, and reply to your thinly veiled preopinionated queries. I am patient, but when the horse is dead, I will not kick it to try to tell it something.

PS. You asked the following:
Do you know why Judas was chosen to betray Yeshua?

Is that a question or a baiting? That is something I will not debate or discuss at this time! I do not buy the story most know, or the people as depicted, with good reason, and on that note... I will not explain further, for that is truely my business and no one elses!

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posted May 20, 2005 06:33 PM         

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Dear Fayte,
OK I will be more direct now. I think this thread is good if its considered a Play and anyone is not so serious about it.

I also think you are very stubborn. We are speaking the same story but you are sticking with the fact that your truth must be everyone's truth, which I object to..

Anyway I spoke my mind and without further ado, I am waiting to see what this thread becomes. Waiting to see what you have found for others. Please feel free to post what you have perceived of my past. I have nothing to hide so I don't fear anyone. To make it easier for me, no one here knows me personally. I am so anonymous. I hope.

Cheers.

May the forces be with you

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posted May 20, 2005 06:55 PM         

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Dear iAmThat!
You said:Quote concerning me)

your truth must be everyone's truth

I am not sure of what you mean by that.
I did not begin this thread to prove my beliefs or force anyone into my veiw on things. I started it to give people another way to explore themselves...wether it is for some, true rememberings or mere fantasy...it can all serve to help bring a person to more self awareness of who they are, where they are going from here.
Yes I am stubborn. I trust that God is with me. I do what comes naturally. And I shall continue to do so. Anyone is free to believe what they want, and I, as is anyone else, is allowed to have opinions and different veiwpoints. I am not so foolish to think that we are all on the same place on the path to enlightenment, or for that matter not even on the same path to such. We all will learn in our own ways in our own time, and I will help those who ask, I will listen to those who wish to speak, but I will not hand anyone the fish I have "caught" by my own experiences, on a silver platter. Nor will I show them the door and open it for them, and shove them through. That would teach them nothing, that would not help them to find their own door, and walk through it when they are ready. They must learn in their own way, and if by telling their rememberings or asking questions, it helps them, then so be it. I am much a doubting Thomas, as it seems are you in many ways. Proof is often subjective, as is the perception of truth. Until one experiences such, one has doubt. But one can not share or transmit the experience, the proof of it, the truth of it, to one who has not for themselves experienced it in exactly the same manner. I enjoy muchly debate...but I am a one handed terrible typest amd this body demands a break for the moment. Later....Oh for fun I took that fantasy character test...I took it 10 times, answering in different ways because different situations demand different answers. I was firstly, Galadriel, then equally Yoda and Elrond, and lastly Aragorn.
I was not surprised. Also I hope you do not perceive our bantering and debate here as fighting. That is not how I see it.

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posted May 20, 2005 08:01 PM         

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Perhaps, just perhaps...Judas was not chosen, but chose.

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posted May 20, 2005 08:22 PM         

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Saturn's Child...that is what I believe, but there was some coercion from a certain woman relation to do so. The Bible does imply this, the only problem is that the translators etc. and the people writing the stories long after the fact got several men by the name of Judas, and other men with similar names that bore the same meaning, confused in the retelling. The truth, or at least much of it is buried and sanwiched here and there. I will say, is that I do not believe it was the man of Kerioth, ie; Judas of Iscariot. I also believe that the so coerced man, did not think Yeshua would be imprisoned or crucified, and neither did the woman. They had sought I believe to have him locked up, because they feared for his sanity, and danger to him from the priests during the days of the Passover preparations and after. They both loved him. There was no malice intended,(except from the priests) only concern that Yeshua had gone mad, that led to the arrest and things going from bad to worse.

Interesting...this thread is taking a turn in a direction that I had wondered if it would, and so it has...fasinating...yes...most intriguing!

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posted May 21, 2005 12:45 AM         

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Ah well. Hey, Fayte...whats your email? I'd like to ask you something, but I'm not sure...how...

Anyway, I hope everyone's all right. THings have been rather hectic lately, eh?

Wish you guys all the luck

luv you all, and smile, it helps, really

Christina Eavyn Warner

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posted May 21, 2005 10:08 AM         

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Christinaeavynwarner....I will have Randall give it to you. But please..DO NOT GIVE IT TO ANYONE!

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posted May 21, 2005 01:53 PM         

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I know I know

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posted May 21, 2005 03:11 PM         

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Christinaeavynwarner! Cool! Going to do that now, unless you ask him to give yours to me first! Later sweetheart! Got lots of things I gotta go do! Mostly regular people stuff, like laundry and grocery shopping!
Talk with you later then.
Love Fayte

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posted May 21, 2005 05:19 PM         

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Not sure. Don't want to say. How could I find out?

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posted May 21, 2005 07:58 PM         

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DayDreamer!
Please rephrase your question. I think you are saying that you do not know if you are remembering any past life/lives....don't want to tell unless you are sure....and wonder how do you ascertain/verify such.

It can come as something that feels like a partial memory, a tantalizing thought/feeling just hanging there on the edge of your memories that you can verify, that have to do with this current incarnation. A haunting sense of it being a memory of another time, place, culture, or even from the perspective of being the opposite sex of what you are now....and even the sense of being much older than you are now. It is also important to be sure it is not linked to a movie you saw or a book you have read. Unless it is not the same as those exactly, then it could be that they caused a memory to surface,ie;you were "triggered" because it "reminded" you in some way of the "then/when." How do you find out? There are many ways, that information alone would fill a book! Some are to keep a dream diary, or when a movie/book seems to trigger something within you...then write down what you feel about that, who you identified with, to what degree? Most important is what felt/seemed different or just not historically accurate somehow, someways to you. Write that down. After awhile you may begin to notice similar or recurring themes and situations, etc. Another way is to write down things you are drawn to that are not of your time now, or culture. Again, I need to say, the things that repulse us or terrify us, or anger us...without any reason, things we can not connect to anything we have experienced in this life,...that can often be a clue. Our desires to be something we are not, especialy those desires that are virtual impossibilities for you in this incarnation...those things speak volumes!
Ok...? I will be happy to answer more if you so desire. And in so much as I am able and allowed!

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posted May 21, 2005 11:06 PM         

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I know this is an odd post, but..........

Because of opinions expressed here as to good and evil, light and darkness...I thought to post this for those who wish to ponder: From the KJV:

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Isaiah 45:3
And I will give the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places........

Good night folks! Back later!

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posted May 22, 2005 12:03 AM         

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I think you are saying that you do not know if you are remembering any past life/lives....don't want to tell unless you are sure....and wonder how do you ascertain/verify such.

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yah...what you said

I'm not sure...Maybe I've either had too many past lives, or that it was such a long time ago that I can't recall clearly.

Plus I have some hunches. But don't know if its true. I can pick things out from my chart as well. From southnode pisces 11th...imprisoned for something...welfare, spiritual and religious connections?
Other ideas too... I just don't want to be making stuff up. Im very hesitant!

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posted May 22, 2005 02:26 AM         

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Hmm, this is interesting...

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posted May 22, 2005 10:06 AM         

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DayDreamer! Most excellent!!!!!! You are cautious...you are not proceeding in a self delusional manner on this searching for self!
This hesitation and doubt, and the openmidedness to still go foreward on the path to discovery...asking many questions...making sure.....VERY VERY WISE of you! You will not fall into the gullibility trap or be a victim of outside impressions foisted by others, readers, psychics etc.! VERY GOOD! I salute your caution and the not wanting to deceive/delude yourself!!!!!!! You will find what you search/seek for!
Bless You!

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posted May 22, 2005 05:09 PM         

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Hey Fayte, Somewhere in the astral realms there was a post about 'Old Soul' being reincarnat as Aries for the first time? I am waiting to hear your perspective. I thought a soul is never born nor dies. Are we saying this soul was in a different planetary system of another universe?

Regards

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posted May 22, 2005 05:21 PM         

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Thanks fayte.m

Bless You Too

Would be interesting to see what, if anything true, I come up with.

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posted May 22, 2005 09:03 PM         

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DayDreamer!
You will! And thank you ever so muchly!
iAmThat! I will check it out! Must have missed that post! Sooooo many posts! Sooooo little time!

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posted May 22, 2005 09:24 PM         

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iAmThat....still trying to find it. Maybe tomorrow...got to get some sleep for now...
Are you sure it was at Astral Realms?

Edited:
I do remember seeing that post...but I still can not find it...at least not in the first post in each topic starter there, from a few days before I came to LL.
I remember thinking at the time...I am not supposed to get involved with that one. At least not at that time. So perhaps the fact that I remember seeing it, but got that "do not intervene with this one" then, and can not locate it now, means that when(or if) it is time...I will find it. So even if someone tells me where that post is...I may still not be permitted to respond. We will see...So if you find it, or anyone, I will see than if I should. Thanks though for the heads up! Good Night All, and God Bless!

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posted May 22, 2005 11:42 PM         

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Fayte,

I think you found the thread I was referring to. My mistake. It was in the Astrology forum. I agree with your answer. I have a stupid question for you. I do not have any psychic contact to help me, therefore who is guiding me to the truth?
I have an asnwer as well and hope you will respond differently. My answer is that, when one looks inwards, all answers to any questions is found there. These days, I have become very focussed on my inward journey and when in meditation, I seek answer, I find the truth as if in a trance.
Do you understand what I am saying?

Cheers.

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posted May 23, 2005 02:38 AM         

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hy fate just saw ur post in astro section . this thread is interesting ( though i havent gone through it completly), got to tell u something more interesting - there is a place in india near chennai( madras renamed ) named shivnadi . its the only place where the god of death - yama is worshipped .this place is specially known for a temple where u can know about your past life , everything is already written on the leafs that the temple has . its not that u go and search , u just have to go and tell ur name , nothing else .they will start with ur present parents then go over to ur past . the first time i heard it i felt it was crap but then i recently saw a tv programme regarding this . u got to see to believe it .ah , but thier is rider attached - its said that only those who are called by the death god , get a chance to visit the place , never experienced it so i cant say . i might go to bangalore in a few months , may be i'll go there too that time .

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