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Natasha Patrick
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posted May 16, 2005 01:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Natasha Patrick     Edit/Delete Message
Does anybody have any information regarding warnings from black crows are they good or bad? I read somewere black crows warn you of possible danger

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SunChild
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posted May 16, 2005 01:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message
I have some info, here's a tidbit.

Role: Carrier of Lost Souls into Light

Lesson: To Understand the Shadow Within

Element: Air

Wind: West The Quest Within

...in what way is the Black Crow significant in your life?

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"The dream was always running ahead of me. To catch up, to live for a moment in unison with it, that was the miracle." Anais Nin

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Natasha Patrick
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posted May 16, 2005 02:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Natasha Patrick     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you for your reply, i dunno i was sitting on the steps having a chat to my partner we only just got back together and i just don't know if we should be together

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posted May 16, 2005 01:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Saturn's Child     Edit/Delete Message
Black crows have always signaled serious/major changes for me. Usually not good ones. The last time crows came to me they were warning me of an end to a long friendship. They came first as a physical reality...the most I've seen at one time and in one place. And then a couple of nights later in a dream where I stood beside a railroad track that lead out of town. There, I saw a scarf that I recognized as belonging to mine friend laying on the ground. A large black crow flew down to the scarf, picked it up in it's beak and then flew away with it in the same direction of the tracks leading away.
About a week later my friend left town without saying anything to me...completely upset a business agrangement...totally scewed up so many things! We didn't speak again for two years. We did finally patch things up, but it wasn't easy. If I had recognized crows message I could have averted a lot of pain.
That's just my experience. You can find more info on crow and other animal totems here in Universal Codes in the Animal Totems thread by 26Taurus.

Good Luck to you, Linda

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posted May 16, 2005 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
I like that song "She Talks to angels"

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fayte.m
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posted May 16, 2005 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
Natasha Patrick!
I feel they are very very good. I have had them help me and warn me all my life. I believe the same of ravens. I have posted about my experiences (some, not all) on other threads. Alot of people may think them bad because they are dark. I do not feel that way. They are very wonderful creatures.

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zoso
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posted May 16, 2005 04:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for zoso     Edit/Delete Message
I love big black crows because they are so neat as they walk around. They don't hop like little birds, they WALK with two legs one after the other.

The last time I had a crow turn and bawk at me was before my Grandma passed, so I don't associate them as being good omens, but I like them anyway and they are always around my town.

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posted May 16, 2005 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
zoso!
Did you ever see the painting "krae" (I think I spelled it right?) It means crow. The realistic looking crow is walking in a somber landscape wearing dark boots. It is so eerie but hauntingly interesting.

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zoso
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posted May 16, 2005 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for zoso     Edit/Delete Message
No! Where can I find it>? Sounds very interesting.

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posted May 16, 2005 05:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for zoso     Edit/Delete Message
Is this it?

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fayte.m
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posted May 16, 2005 11:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
zoso!!!!! Yes! That is one version I am talking about! I think it is sooo haunting!

Maybe I am weird, but I like it!
Thank you for finding him!!!!!

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posted May 17, 2005 11:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philbird     Edit/Delete Message
I think he's cute!

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zoso
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posted May 17, 2005 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for zoso     Edit/Delete Message
Awww....look at his wittle booties!!

It is haunting, almost sad. I like it!

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fayte.m
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posted May 17, 2005 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
I don't know entirely why, but I can just meditate on that for hours! Well, then I also enjoy putting a seashell in vinegar and watching it dissolve, and have sat for hours waiting for the sudden quivers most people do not take the time to slow down to catch, when a flower bursts into bloom. It's really very interesting.
Ok...some more about Ravens and Crows:

Raven: 'oreb, from a root "black" Including the crow. Not allowed as food, Lev.XI:15.
Of the order Insessores, family Corvidae.
Genesis; Noah's first messenger from the ark, which kept going forth and returning, never entering the ark, feeding on the carnal soul that having left God, finds no rest. Ravens fed Elijah at the brook Cherith.
The Raven is singled out as exemplifying God's care for His creatures because of their restless flying in search of food to satisfy their voracious appetites. With their hoarse cry, they unconsciously appeal to their Maker and Preserver for their necessary food, and never in vain, though they neither sow nor reap neither have storehouse nor barn. The ravens build their nests in solitary "valleys,", hence a sign of desolation. The shrewd and ill visage of the raven, its mourning hue, its solitary haunts, harsh croak, instant scenting of premonitory decomposition, even before death, made it be regarded as of ill omen.

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merratti
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posted May 24, 2005 06:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for merratti     Edit/Delete Message
Crows nest high in the tree.This gives them the advantage of seeing what you can't.
Crows see the past/present/future...the enternal now.
YOU walk outside and a car is speeding around the bend.Crows sees it long before you...CAW!!!! She warns you of the mystery of whats unknown too you.
Look beyond the obvious in respect to relationships and situations.Beware and BE AWARE is crows messege to you.Consider the past,present/future from a " higher perspective"

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fayte.m
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posted May 24, 2005 09:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
Crows and Ravens!

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whalewasp78
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posted June 02, 2005 10:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for whalewasp78     Edit/Delete Message
Having grown up in a rural area, crows are regarded as an amusing nuisance with their calls. They are very intelligient, and can adapt to the changes we make to the environment. They can be trained to 'speak' like a parrot, and have cognitive, problem-solving skills. Hunter's hate them because they warn every living thing in the area...much to my amusement.

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angel_of_hope
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posted June 02, 2005 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel_of_hope     Edit/Delete Message
One of my MIL's power animals is the Raven. I was out shopping at wal-mart a couple weekends ago and found a really pretty pewter pendant in the "alaska section" while i was looking for a Snowy Owl (one or my animals) She was suprised that i found & bought it for her.

My cousin is Alaskan Native and has taught me that the Raven symbolizes great intelligence.

A Raven's Wisdom/Lesson Includes:


  • Rebirth without fear
  • Ability to tear down what needs to be rebuilt
  • Renewal
  • Curiosity
  • Intelligence
  • Ability to find light in darkness
  • Courage of self-reflection
  • Introspection
  • Magic
  • Comfort with self
  • Honoring ancestors
  • Connection to the Crone
  • Divination
  • Change in consciousness
  • New occurrences
  • Eloquence (not only in thier language but ours as well, since they can be taught words, like parrots)

Below is a Native American Legend of the Raven. One that i've heard. Theres many variations of this Legend but all tell the same story.

Raven Steals the Lights

The Raven is the transformer, trickster and creator. Known in legends as the one who released the sun, moon, and stars; discovered man in a clamshell; brought the salmon and the water; and taught man how to fish and hunt.

Raven in Kwaguilth culture is known as the sky messenger of the animal kingdom. The Raven is famous for being a somewhat mischievous glutton. He was always out to please himself and have a good time, but his adventures always ended up bettering mankind.

The story of "Raven Steals the Lights" is legendary. An old man lived in a house on the bank of a river with his only child – a daughter. At this time, it was pitch black everywhere and no one could see anything. So whether she was beautiful or not, there wasn’t a way anyone could tell. Thus begins the tale of the Raven and the Sun. It’s said that the old man kept the Sun locked in a box inside a box, which had yet another box containing an infinite number of boxes until finally there was one so small that all it could contain was all the light in the universe.

The Raven was not satisfied with the state of darkness since it led to his blundering and bumping into everything. This slowed him down in his pursuit of the good things in life, which was what he loved more than getting into mischief. One day he crashed into the old man’s house and he heard the man and his daughter talking about the light. He decided he wanted the light for himself so he waited for the daughter to leave the house. He transformed himself into a pine needle to slip into a bucket of water. When the daughter drank the water and swallowed the pine needle, the Raven transformed himself into a tiny human being inside her. When he emerged, he was a very odd looking child, but it was too dark to noticed his long nose and the few feathers still clinging to him.

As the Raven/Child gained the affection of the old man, he devised a plan to get the Sun. He asked for the largest box in the house and upon being refused, he cried and screamed so loudly that the Grandfather gave him the box. After all it was only one and there were so many more. It took many days, but after a few well-executed tantrums the Raven/Child removed all the boxes. When only a few were left, a strange radiance began to suffuse the room. The Raven/Child begged to hold the light for only a few moments, and even though the Grandfather had come to love the Raven/Child with only a glimpse of him, he gave him the light. As the light was passed to him, the Raven/Child transformed into a huge Raven. He snapped up the light and flew up the smoke hole of the house into the darkness of the world.

The Raven now rejoiced with his new possession and was having such a good time that he did not see the Eagle come upon him. In a panic, he swerved and dropped almost half the light he was carrying. It fell to the rocky ground and broke into pieces. They bounced back into the sky and remain there to this day as the Moon and the Stars.

Meanwhile, the Raven was pursued to the edge of the world and, exhausted, he finally let go of his last piece of light. It fell to the East and that is how the Raven gave us the Sun.
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Theres a few more legends about the raven and his journeys, on that site as well as many other Native American Legends.
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And who could forget Edgar Allen Poe's (1845)poem
The Raven
Once upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered, weak and weary,
Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore,
While I nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping,
As of some one gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door.
"'Tis some visitor," I muttered, "tapping at my chamber door-
Only this, and nothing more."

Ah, distinctly I remember it was in the bleak December,
And each separate dying ember wrought its ghost upon the floor.
Eagerly I wished the morrow;- vainly I had sought to borrow
From my books surcease of sorrow- sorrow for the lost Lenore-
For the rare and radiant maiden whom the angels name Lenore-
Nameless here for evermore.

And the silken sad uncertain rustling of each purple curtain
Thrilled me- filled me with fantastic terrors never felt before;
So that now, to still the beating of my heart, I stood repeating,
"'Tis some visitor entreating entrance at my chamber door-
Some late visitor entreating entrance at my chamber door;-
This it is, and nothing more."

Presently my soul grew stronger; hesitating then no longer,
"Sir," said I, "or Madam, truly your forgiveness I implore;
But the fact is I was napping, and so gently you came rapping,
And so faintly you came tapping, tapping at my chamber door,
That I scarce was sure I heard you"- here I opened wide the door;-
Darkness there, and nothing more.

Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there wondering,
fearing,
Doubting, dreaming dreams no mortals ever dared to dream before;
But the silence was unbroken, and the stillness gave no token,
And the only word there spoken was the whispered word, "Lenore!"
This I whispered, and an echo murmured back the word, "Lenore!"-
Merely this, and nothing more.

Back into the chamber turning, all my soul within me burning,
Soon again I heard a tapping somewhat louder than before.
"Surely," said I, "surely that is something at my window lattice:
Let me see, then, what thereat is, and this mystery explore-
Let my heart be still a moment and this mystery explore;-
'Tis the wind and nothing more."

Open here I flung the shutter, when, with many a flirt and
flutter,
In there stepped a stately raven of the saintly days of yore;
Not the least obeisance made he; not a minute stopped or stayed
he;
But, with mien of lord or lady, perched above my chamber door-
Perched upon a bust of Pallas just above my chamber door-
Perched, and sat, and nothing more.

Then this ebony bird beguiling my sad fancy into smiling,
By the grave and stern decorum of the countenance it wore.
"Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou," I said, "art sure no
craven,
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the Nightly shore-
Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!"
Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore."

Much I marvelled this ungainly fowl to hear discourse so plainly,
Though its answer little meaning- little relevancy bore;
For we cannot help agreeing that no living human being
Ever yet was blest with seeing bird above his chamber door-
Bird or beast upon the sculptured bust above his chamber door,
With such name as "Nevermore."

But the raven, sitting lonely on the placid bust, spoke only
That one word, as if his soul in that one word he did outpour.
Nothing further then he uttered- not a feather then he fluttered-
Till I scarcely more than muttered, "other friends have flown
before-
On the morrow he will leave me, as my hopes have flown before."
Then the bird said, "Nevermore."

Startled at the stillness broken by reply so aptly spoken,
"Doubtless," said I, "what it utters is its only stock and store,
Caught from some unhappy master whom unmerciful Disaster
Followed fast and followed faster till his songs one burden bore-
Till the dirges of his Hope that melancholy burden bore
Of 'Never- nevermore'."

But the Raven still beguiling all my fancy into smiling,
Straight I wheeled a cushioned seat in front of bird, and bust and
door;
Then upon the velvet sinking, I betook myself to linking
Fancy unto fancy, thinking what this ominous bird of yore-
What this grim, ungainly, ghastly, gaunt and ominous bird of yore
Meant in croaking "Nevermore."

This I sat engaged in guessing, but no syllable expressing
To the fowl whose fiery eyes now burned into my bosom's core;
This and more I sat divining, with my head at ease reclining
On the cushion's velvet lining that the lamplight gloated o'er,
But whose velvet violet lining with the lamplight gloating o'er,
She shall press, ah, nevermore!

Then methought the air grew denser, perfumed from an unseen censer
Swung by Seraphim whose footfalls tinkled on the tufted floor.
"Wretch," I cried, "thy God hath lent thee- by these angels he
hath sent thee
Respite- respite and nepenthe, from thy memories of Lenore!
Quaff, oh quaff this kind nepenthe and forget this lost Lenore!"
Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore."

"Prophet!" said I, "thing of evil!- prophet still, if bird or
devil!-
Whether Tempter sent, or whether tempest tossed thee here ashore,
Desolate yet all undaunted, on this desert land enchanted-
On this home by horror haunted- tell me truly, I implore-
Is there- is there balm in Gilead?- tell me- tell me, I implore!"
Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore."

"Prophet!" said I, "thing of evil- prophet still, if bird or
devil!
By that Heaven that bends above us- by that God we both adore-
Tell this soul with sorrow laden if, within the distant Aidenn,
It shall clasp a sainted maiden whom the angels name Lenore-
Clasp a rare and radiant maiden whom the angels name Lenore."
Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore."

"Be that word our sign in parting, bird or fiend," I shrieked,
upstarting-
"Get thee back into the tempest and the Night's Plutonian shore!
Leave no black plume as a token of that lie thy soul hath spoken!
Leave my loneliness unbroken!- quit the bust above my door!
Take thy beak from out my heart, and take thy form from off my
door!"
Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore."

And the Raven, never flitting, still is sitting, still is sitting
On the pallid bust of Pallas just above my chamber door;
And his eyes have all the seeming of a demon's that is dreaming,
And the lamplight o'er him streaming throws his shadow on the
floor;
And my soul from out that shadow that lies floating on the floor
Shall be lifted- nevermore!

***EDITED*** ... Heres another great link on Raven http://velvetdragon.com/spirit/raven.html

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sesame
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posted June 02, 2005 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sesame     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, I was thinking of posting that poem, but just read it instead. What do you think it's about? Nice Indian story btw.

whalewasp78 or Randall, what do you mean "[Note: This message has been edited by Randall]"? Was there a typo?

Dean.

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angel_of_hope
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posted June 02, 2005 07:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel_of_hope     Edit/Delete Message
Dean, very good question. im really not sure ... I do believe the woman lenore is in a sense his wife or a refelction of his wife, if you will. When she died, he began to drink heavily and suffer from depression.

Maybe the shadow on the floor is he himself dying "inside" and the "shall be lifted" , maybe refers to being set free of her love. or reunited with her above "hence, lifted. !?!?!?

What are your views on the poem Dean?

and for question 2) appearantly there have been some problems and the threads Randall was able to save, have been noted as "edited" by him.

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posted June 02, 2005 08:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieDust     Edit/Delete Message


You are the SWEETEST!

Ma

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posted June 03, 2005 02:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sesame     Edit/Delete Message
Cool, yeah, I think it's about losing his wife and not feeling happy - everything's dark. Happiness is nevermore. The Raven maybe represents the grim reaper. And in the end he dies with the Raven to pass over, but his greif keeps him in a bad place. Maybe he should just accept her death.

Gotta love the Simpsons version!

Dean.

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posted June 03, 2005 02:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel_of_hope     Edit/Delete Message
LMAO .... I was thinking about that as i was posting that piece. lol. That was a great one!! The Simpsons Rawk!!


Raven: Never more!
Homer: Be that way you stupid raven! Thy so I've spoken! Leave my looniness unbroken! Take thy beak from in out my heart and take thy form from off my door!
Raven: Never more!
Homer: Take thy beak from in out my heart and take thy form from off my door.
Raven: Never more!
Homer: Why you little...
Raven: Uh Oh!
Homer: I'll get you now, raven!
(Raven drops vase on Homer)
Homer: Please don't hit me!
Raven (several dancing around Homer after being hit by vase): Never more, never more, never more, never more, never more!


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posted June 03, 2005 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieDust     Edit/Delete Message
You are too funny!

Ma


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geminstone
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posted June 07, 2005 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for geminstone     Edit/Delete Message
WOW! This thread, in all it's information, has brought forth a deep well of emotion in me... I am in awe... wow.
Thanks All. Thank You much, Natasha Patrick, for it's beginning.


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