posted March 11, 2006 10:57 AM         

1. Black
2. White
3. Black and White
4. Neither black nor white

Does this mean black karma leads us to hell (a place of deprivation not fire and sulphur). White karma leads us to heaven. Black and white leads us to earth. Neither black nor white leads us not being born in any of the planes and we are part of the cosmos again , beyond time and space.

A question arises who is behind the laws of karma? May be there is no one that is the cosmos is, was and ever will be. Or there is some one and it is us who are the eyes and ears of this being. Well this question is not important for the time being for me on the path to self-realization. What is important now is for me to lead a moral life. Because leading a moral life makes me feel good. I do not ever hurt my self by feeling guilty because by my discernment I acted in a way to not feed the negative karma. There is no remorse left in me when morality is followed. When I lead a moral life, after some years of practice my concentration of discernment increases. I realize that every one will have their own philosophies on this one. But I feel this is the only truth that is absolute. The only way to realization. There is a short cut but it would mean that someone is interfering in our evolution and its not correct.

Ok will be back here to rant some more

posted March 11, 2006 03:07 PM         

today i saw a sign that stated the following...

satan subtracts and divides.
god adds and multiplies.

i believe that these both simply are functions of the universe...necessary components, if you will. 2 different principles, separate, but equal. on one level, of course.

interesting to label them god and satan.

karma perhaps is a teaching principle...a guiding force, leading us always back to ourselves. once we re-discover our essence, we have transcended the bounds of karma. i have stated elsewhere this idea of karma, as that of a shoe...and the manner in which we lace it on our foot. should we tie it too tightly we will feel pain, and adjust accordingly. should it be too loose, we will feel discomfort, and adjust as well. when it fits, we walk in comfort, on the path that we are on.

once we've made the necessary adjustment, the need for the karma no longer exists...and we move on. if we fail to adjust appropriately, we remain in discomfort. it's always within our capacity to walk in comfort.

i see karma as guidance rather than payback. sometimes we must add and at times we must subtract. as the moon waxes and wanes. as goddess bestows and relieves.

so what is karma then, but an agent of love, the substance that holds the universe together....the source of creation?

i found these in karma:

RA, RA(H) RAM, KA, MARA

Ka: the egyptian concept of a person's life force or creative power.

Mara: In Latvian mythology, Māra is the highest-ranking goddess, a feminine Dievs (God). She may be thought as alternate side of Dievs (like in Yin Yang)...

Being the alternate side of Dievs, she takes a person's body after their death while Dievs is taking the soul.

The festival Māras was held in her honor every August 15. This was probably already a result of Christian influence and identification of Māra with Mary, whose main festival (Assumption) falls on the same date since antiquity.
(from wikipedia)

interesting, i think.

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I want to turn the whole thing upside down
I'll find the things they say just can't be found
I'll share this love I find with everyone
We'll sing and dance to Mother Nature's songs

posted March 11, 2006 03:20 PM         

I loved that quote very much.
god adds and multiplies
satan subtracts and divides

You also mentioned>>>>>when if fits, we walk in comfort, on the path that we are on.

That is so true, everyone can relate to that because every feet is different. Everytime we make a new musical instrument we must tighten or looses it so that it produces the best sound. Likewise each human body must vibe to its own frequency.
The problem of finding that right frequency may not be as easy as tying a shoe lace.
I am getting there, to find my own special place and those examples really help. Thanks Salome.

posted March 12, 2006 08:36 PM         

The karma is much more complex than falling between shades of black or white. But incessant discernment during our very actions in the present moment breaks us from the being chained to its consequence is what I was thinking.

We have a spiritual reality and a physical reality. Former is a concept and the latter what we experience. But above all that we were also created by God and at one time one with him in his body. So why do we forget our reality? If I was created in his image then the frequency with which he created me, am I ever going to experience that full bliss again? Can I ever be greater than myself? Must I wait till I die or must I wait until the cosmos dissolves, just as the hindus say. A time, when we all return to sleep in His body and no work is done? How much must I wait? The superficialities of the world does not impress me much.

Yeow...I am getting little offline there. Ok changing gear back to karma. Or better I must take a break.

posted March 12, 2006 10:41 PM         

A soft symphony of
Eternity revealed.

How I long for
that smooth silence,
yet as I reach for it,
it slips fast away.
I'm aware
of the knowledge
I've gained here,
yet its layers
are forever pulled away~
And words cannot express
the yearning desire
to hear the symphony
flow unrestrained.~

It's so nice to see your writings again, Mannu.

Some months back, I was immersed in a tenseful, stressful, traumatic confrontation, and it was so strange. In that moment and for the first time in my life, I felt as if I completely disattatched myself from myself. Instead of being absorbed subjectively in the emotion or wrapped up into the fury and rage, instead, I became witnessing, so cued in and aware of the moment and mindful of my response to it. I felt as if I were looking down on myself...and him, as if OBE, but really I wasn't.
Anyway, from that moment I became more aware of the Circle I had trapped myself in through time. The circle of patterns, round and round and round again. Mindless in a way, just instaneous reaction, as if following some robotic script.

Is that what trapped Karma is? A mindless scripted circle? Any moment we have the freedom to break free and beyond it...spiral out of it; soar above it.
I believe it's keen awareness and observation...finally in a crystal clear moment All is seen for what it is. And what we have chosen again and again to make of it.
I vowed...this is the life I break free of karmic circles the best I can.
Stop going round and round this mindless wheel, and finally live and breathe my potential.

I don't know...still working on that.
Maybe getting there is half the climb.

Lia

(and hey, iAm/Mannu, I used to be "Heart&Soul" here...do you remember me? )

posted March 12, 2006 11:03 PM         

Ofcourse I remember you. I was always wondering where were you. Duh, how did I ever miss that you and H&S are one and the same!! I really have a lot to catch up with all those posts.

posted March 14, 2006 12:05 AM         

I didn't exactly shout it out to the universe, so can see how you wouldn't have known. I had been gone for quite a while, lost my password and so just decided to start over anew.
I kind of liked the idea of a fresh new start...very like my life has been this past year.

I always look for your words.
And, have to say, that it is a nice comfort to think that there is someone such as you out there in this world who cares to wonder the things you do.

So, thanks.

...so please do carry on.

You saw yourself in your dream?
Sounds very lucid.
Were you aware that you were dreaming during the dream?

Don Juan recommends searching out for an object in your dream that will jolt you into lucid awareness of dreaming. That way, you are more able to manifest dream movement and shiftings. Control your dreamworld...move to other dimensions. Move the 'assemblage point'. He says the most favorable object would be, during dreaming, to look at your own hands. Because they would be a reliable object to always be with you in your dream.

So to see YOURSELF....wow, pretty amazing.
Was wondering if you were able to shift events of your dream after seeing yourself?

Very fascinating.

posted March 14, 2006 10:23 PM         

I will have to check that guy out. I too have learnt a lot from you and so many othe r wonderful people here. Looks like most I used to know are preparing for their next stage of experience that is going to be out of this world literally.

I do not remember controlling my dreams.
I do visualize beautiful things or think of persons that I would like to come in my dreams when I go to bed. Sometimes I also get dreams in succession, one after the other, I think I could discern the difference and remember most of the dreams quiet vividly.

In all my dreams there was this recent dream when I really felt a heavy yoke upon me when I saw this person in my dream. May be there was a past life connection with this person hence it was so intense. I sense the real objective of this person. And that was not good intention. I let her know of that many times. And she did not change after that. I keep cursing myself as to why do I think the unthinkable. The outside world will hate you and that is so true. I am not ignoring my own mistakes either. I know that no one is perfect. But I realize that when given a choice between an external world and a world that is beyond this world. People choose the former. I don't know why I said that. Is it just my faith that there is a world beyond this. I could be plain wrong. I sometimes think that is this my 'gene' talking? May be I am thinking in a way I was designed to. Must I really think to the contrary and go with the world.

Hi Mystic Melody,
Nice to know you. Sure. All things are of God. All things will return to God. My question is "Are humans born, to go to heaven or hell? Or this earth is heaven and hell and everything in between?. Why does existence of karma imply that cessation of it is possible with good morality?"

A very simple but profound question is "What happens to aborted foetuses in this definition of karma?"

posted March 15, 2006 01:47 AM         

"Are humans born, to go to heaven or hell?"
Yes. That's what Free Will is about.

"Or this earth is heaven and hell and everything in between?"
Yes, it's what you make it and a matter of perception.

"Why does existence of karma imply that cessation of it is possible with good morality?"
The closer you (meaning "we") bring yourself to a "pure" state, the closer you are to consciously releasing your ego/individuality to CONSCIOUSLY become ONE with the Whole. This brings a greater sense of peace/heaven. If you choose to deny the good of the whole and consciously choose to do things for your small-self benefit only, you are consciously creating your small-self/ego and forging an existance that is not dependent on the good of the whole. As you draw away from the source, you are forced to attempt to exist on your own "power" which is an illusion that is created by the Source in the first place.
We take on these "roles" and our astrological "program" in order to entertain ourselves throughout the eternity of existance.
If you want to get back to Source and stop taking on roles for while, vegging out in the bliss of knowing we are all One, you find your way back using Karma (or whatever path) and you hang out for eternities in bliss until you get bored and decide to let a little "void" or "separation" in again to pretend you are an individual again. You "pick a character" and determine the "level" or density where you want to begin this time around, and game on.

posted March 15, 2006 10:15 AM         

'If they hated me, they will hate you.'
'If you were of the world, they would love you.' (John:15, I believe)

I would say the entire world could very well be lost...while inside You sense Truth that beats the very meaning to Your Heart.
Even if all contrary to what is deemed proper or acceptable...in the quiet Space beyond the noise of the world, there is another place, very Real. Even if not tangible to sight, hearing or logic...that DOESN'T disprove its existance.
Brave Souls are called for and needed to go against the grain. Those who will listen and keep believing, beyond all outside influences that would try to demean its Beauty and steal it away.

If you would like to read more of Carlos Castaneda's writings of Don Juan's teachings this is a very good link to start. It takes all his 10 books and condenses them into profound excerpts:
http://www.prismagems.com/castaneda/

You keep believing...and I will too.

posted March 15, 2006 03:22 PM         

Yes it is very much in the spirit. I was just saying why are things the way they are
I enjoy sleeping a lot. So why don't I sleep forever

And since humans are image of God. Then I am imagining that the cosmos will also go back to sleep sometime. That will be a time when the people you loved , hated, everything will coalase in to one amoeba shaped being. All asleep. No more boundaries whatsoever.

This cosmic drama does not ever end.
Hence God is very merciful and patience with everyone appears.

OK my main question was can we even be beyond the source? Go beyond time and space. Tiny yet encompass the whole universe? Not sure if I am explaining nicely. It may even be too deep of a philosophy

Talking always helps. Especially me. Hope you don't mind.

Hello Lialei,

That was a wonderful reminder from John. Makes me think that if oil cannot mix with water and you come across a person who is oil, how can you ever unconditionally love that person.
Its soooo tough. Everyone gives everybody a hard time. Even Jesus used to rebuke the pharisees. Hate the sin but love the sinner. Sinner is 'pure love' without his sin. How to see that light when a water meets a oil type of person or a fire meets water type of person? I am really battling with those issues and I know I must really be patient.

posted March 16, 2006 01:12 AM         

Merrily Merrily Merrily Merrily
Life is but a Dream.

posted March 16, 2006 08:50 AM         

quote:

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"Is that what trapped Karma is? A mindless scripted circle? Any moment we have the freedom to break free and beyond it...spiral out of it; soar above it.
I believe it's keen awareness and observation...finally in a crystal clear moment All is seen for what it is. And what we have chosen again and again to make of it.
I vowed...this is the life I break free of karmic circles the best I can.
Stop going round and round this mindless wheel, and finally live and breathe my potential."

---

You put it very succinctly Yes!

The cycle of an "eye for eye"...must be broken...payback to those who wronged us must end.
THAT to me is what is meant by "getting off the (Karmic) wheel"....
NOT the returning to the Oneness!
I have said that many times here...(will try to find my links)...
We are meant to get off the wheel..get off the cross(they need the wood ...) and move forward with our soul's evolution as "unique" and "very aware individual beings"... "working together as individuals" to get along with each other. Returning to a Oneness, to sleep in mindless bliss...which would not be a bliss because you would have no personal identity any more from which to relate to said bliss, but instead be a bit of soul energy with no more indentity. A stasis, a de-evolution of the soul...the lazy, easy, avoiding moving forward path.
A cop out. I think such a soul/mindsets get recycled. Poof!
You want the easy way out?
Really refuse to act and become divine as an individual, willing to work to actually get along with others and stop the payback cycle...
Want a shortcut? Tired of trying? Then if you cannot face it that YOU have the Power to "get off the wheel" = stop the "cycle of revenge"....then your unique identity and all you have experienced... would be erased..and your pure soul energy..be recycled for use in a "new" soul, who might be willing to learn, and not want to jump the ship of individuality, just to forget it all, and take the easy way out.
So by returning to a mindless Oneness..all that you learned would mean nothing. You would not even know you were in a bliss. That to me is a form of true death.
Call identity a dream or an illusion or whatever you want..but it is who we each are. Other than that is only pure energy. Mindless..emotionless...just pure energy.

I intend to move forward as a unique individual and NOT repeat my past mistakes.
To learn from my experiences and even errors.. I intend to evolve...THAT means no more Karmic Cycles....I am off THAT "wheel".

posted March 16, 2006 10:06 AM         

~I intend to continue learning, forever~

posted March 16, 2006 11:13 AM         

So Lovely, Fayte.

posted March 16, 2006 12:04 PM         

My thoughts are tumbling and spiraling this morning into so many directions. So many interesting thoughts shared here.

Will return.

posted March 16, 2006 01:52 PM         

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I really can't comment on it because I don't know what the answer is. Buddha was believed to have said so. Jesus cured people and in one of the 'unknown gospels' was quoted as saying he will become lame again when he sins.

Buddha (siddartha) is said to have quoted
to not react when we experience hate from others. And goes on to go give mental excercises on how to build skillful qualities. He is also quoted as saying some people take seven years, some 6 years, some 5 years.....some one month, some....one week to reach a state of perfection. Well I loose weight in one week if I stick to exercise...hehehee... May be in the mental world too, its possible to achieve results.
Well I am inspired by his quote there.

posted March 16, 2006 02:06 PM         

".then your unique identity and all you have experienced... would be erased..and your pure soul energy..be recycled for use in a "new" soul, who might be willing to learn, and not want to jump the ship of individuality, just to forget it all, and take the easy way out."

posted March 16, 2006 02:52 PM         

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
~I intend to continue learning, forever~"Fayte"
~I am still learning~ Michangelo
The Door to Gnosis is never permanently locked...one only needs the correct keys and passwords.
The pious man with closed eyes can often hold more ego than a proud man with open eyes.
Out of the mouth of babes commeth wisdom that can rival that of sages.
In the rough, or cut and polished..a diamond is still a precious gem.
-NEXUS-

posted March 21, 2006 01:21 AM         

Your questings, Mannu:

OK my main question was can we even be beyond the source? Go beyond time and space. Tiny yet encompass the whole universe? Not sure if I am explaining nicely. It may even be too deep of a philosophy

A lovely Piscean shared this link. I thought you might like it:
http://www.feel.com/meditation2.htm

Wheels within wheels within wheels
Expanding outwards, even, infinitely it seems.
From the tiniest atom to the farthest reaches of the Universe.
The Source within All...All within.
So, do you think it could be surpassed?
Or would that be like chasing our shadow?

Another interesting thing, that this past week a star nebulae was discovered in our Galaxy, just outside a massive black hole (about 300 light years from it, I believe, whereas we are hundreds of thousands of light years farther from it)...
anyway, the astoundment is that this nebulae has characteristic helix patterns resembling DNA, most probably due to the gravitational pull from the black hole. Have you heard this? So curious it is.

~Lia

posted March 21, 2006 11:24 AM         

Here are some links with photos:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/03/0317_060317_dna_nebula.html

http://www.universetoday.com/am/publish/unprecedenty_helix.html