posted June 29, 2006 10:30 AM              

He asked who had touched him, and when she came forth trembling, he said something to the effect of "Your faith is great, daughter. Your faith is what has healed you."

The others were pushy about it, expecting Jesus to heal. Perhaps expecting Jesus to prove his power to them? But she was gentle in her faith.

Jesus felt her touch, over the many others, because it was of a pure and gentle faith?
Because she truly believed her touching him would be meaningful?

posted June 29, 2006 10:55 AM              

There is a vast difference between forcefully trying to control others lives, and giving advice out of caring. I've never known you to be a controlling person. I guess, as you say, everyone sees things differently and you have to feel people out to know what their comfort levels are.

As a Sagittarius, I listen to advice...think about it, then continue on with what feels right to me. Usually without saying a word, just action. I never see a need to explain myself. I think this used to drive my parents a bit crazy. Listen, nod, then turn around and do the very thing they didn't want me to anyway.

A couple of years ago, a friend of mine kind of took it upon herself to get involved in a personal relationship of mine. From this, there was room for huge misunderstanding that her opinions reflected my own just because we were friends, yet what I thought was far different than her views on the matter.
I was mad at her for a while. Mostly hurt, because to me, her actions seemed to show little faith in my ability to make my own decisions and discern for myself.
But, because I knew what she did was only out of huge caring for my welfare, I couldn't be mad at her for long. I appreciated that she cared so much.
I think we both learned from the experience.

posted June 29, 2006 11:52 AM            

Lotusheartone -- Nice to see you still hanging around

Silverstone,
Well I'm crazy isn't it
My observation is based on a real life guru that I know of and read about and relating it to stories of Jesus. I can't say these things to that person, but I can share it with you guys quite bluntly as you would say it
.

Let me explain about that part that you had asked for. Imagine you are going in to deep trance, gradually you wud loose body consciousness. The ants wud build anthills around you, but you won't be aware of it.
However if touched by a human being, you would come out of the trance and it will pain you very much when you are body conscious again. I cannot explain why it happens, but it does. Therefore advice is never ask people to lay hands on you no matter what happens to you during those trance.

Cheers buddy!!!

posted June 29, 2006 12:08 PM              

I kind of like the cryptic code too, Fayte. Amazing how the human brain just fills in the missing letters automatically. I love doing cryptogram puzzles - deciphering codes. I'm good at it so I think I missed my calling and should be working for the CIA.

What you say is true, Fayte. A man who is too close to his mom is not good either. Having raised two sons I noticed that it seems to come natural to males at a certain age to start pulling away from mom some and not depending on her as much or listening to her as much as when they were younger. Both of my sons did this in their early teens. I just accepted that as normal part of their growth. But when a mom is too domineering and controlling and doesn't accept it as a part of her son's normal growth into manhood then problems arise. I guess it also depends on the personality of the male child. The more clingy type of personality may hold onto mom longer than the more independent types.

My oldest son tended to draw comparison with his wife to mom, in her cooking and house cleaning areas in particular. He's a Cancer. Anyway, I had a talk with him about that and told him in so many words to knock it off. I told him to keep in mind all the good qualities of his wife and point those out to her instead of criticizing what she doesn't do as well as he thinks she should. She's a good wife, good mother in all the really important things. I told him that his wife is going to start hating me if he keeps comparing her to me. I told him we all have different priorities and keeping the house as neat and clean as I did is not a big priority to her. And no one cooks the same. His wife and I joke about that and she feels comfortable complaining to me and airing her gripes about him to me. I know my kids are not perfect and I lived with him a long time so I know his faults as well as his good qualities. I like that she tells him she will be a better housekeeper when he decides to stop being a slob and making messes all the time. lol I never liked those moms who always sided with their sons and their sons could do no wrong. I tell my daughter in law that this is my slob son, always was because it is true. She says she married the wrong son because his younger brother is a neat freak like mom. He always cleans up after himself.

Sue, you married a Virgo. They are great! My Virgo hubby is independent too and the issues he had with his mom he worked out though at first when we married he seemed to have a problem separating me from his mom. I finally told him I am not your mom and nothing like her. He worked out those childhood issues with his mom real fast after that just by talking them out with me. But his relationship with his mom was at a comfortable distance too.

Mannu,

Mark's version of the woman with the hemorrage was the most detailed in the Synoptic Gospels. One of my favorites along with Jesus's exorcism of the man who was possessed with many demons and lived in a cave.

posted June 29, 2006 01:53 PM              

"Not saying that all healing and all things do not come from God, but that God wants us to take responsibility for ourselves too and work with [him] and not expect [him] to do it all for us."

posted June 29, 2006 03:12 PM              

Ladies (Fayte, Lialei, Mirandee, Lotus)-

Since we are on the topic of Mommy! Here is my two cents: Although I am not married and have never been married, I have observed many of these issues. I believe that once a mother's son or daughter get married, it is a completely different relationship. to me, the son can only be loyal to his wife and the daughter can only be loyal to her husband. What I mean by loyalty is that the wife or husband comes first before the mother... otherwise, that is when the problems begin. Ok- now, I am being brutally honest and Mannu I know you may jump on this. Since most men are not always mature (most women mature faster)they always tend to go back to mommy! Now, ladies don't get a big head now... yes, I give you all that for sure! Rant over...

Cheers,

posted June 29, 2006 03:31 PM              

You should come to Ireland and try telling some of the Irish guys this....they are still comparing their wives with their mothers long after they left mammy....oh dear....not good at all.

Yes Mirandee Virgo men are extremely honourable and loyal.....my one never seemed to have any mother issues...more with the father to be honest...there just didnt seem to be anything "there" with his Mum...strange, but then not, as they both have Moon in Aqua...so it makes sense that emotionally they will be detached from each other...

posted June 29, 2006 03:40 PM              

Not my Virgo X2.
And a Sag Mama's boy 100% to boot.
Good looking but.....
Mommy mommy mommy wah wah wah.....
I got sick of it.
Yucck.

posted June 29, 2006 07:57 PM              

I was watching some of the movie Jesus Christ Superstar last night. I always tear up when he sings in the Garden of Gethsemane, the night before the crucifixion.
Especially these words move me:

Take this cup away from me for I don't want
to taste its poison.
Feel it burn me, I have changed,
I'm not as sure as when I started
Then I was inspired
Now I'm sad and tired
Listen, surely I've exceeded expectations
tried for three years
seems like thirty
Could you ask as much as any other man?

I think at times many of us can relate to that feeling? I don't understand why people often get so upset when someone empathizes with Jesus. I'm not Christian, but it seems to me, that it would be benefitial, wouldn't it? To see ourselves in him and vice versa?

I've never been with a Momma's boy, so can't comment on that. Saggy girl here, so would have to run in the other direction rather quickly.

I think oftentimes Mothers have a blind-spot when it comes to their presence in the lives of their adult children. Their sons and daughters have to draw boundaries sometimes and it's a hard spot to be in, because they don't want to offend, knowing it's from the mother's caring. But sometimes it's truly necessary and if not forthcoming from understanding, the son/daughter will withdraw where possible, seeing no other resolution.

posted June 30, 2006 04:54 AM              

Kat~

quote:

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Love conquers all. There's no better way of ending the cycle than to recognize what's going on and return love.

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Do you really believe it ends the cycle?
I haven't found this to be true. In my experience, love, caring,compassion, forgiveness is often times met with cruelty.
I want with all my heart to believe love makes a difference and is meaningful here. But I can't.
My heart is heavy and tired.

posted June 30, 2006 07:24 AM              

Thanks... this string has great things in it.

posted June 30, 2006 09:24 AM              

And also I believe you do get what you give....eventually....

Love, patience and faith....