posted July 06, 2006 04:39 PM              

Mannu,

Yes, Jesus was not passive in the Temple either was he? He was p*ssed.

Sometimes anger is for the right reasons...as sometimes love is for the wrong reasons. The emotion itself isn't negative on its own. Awareness is what either promotes positive or negative.

Sometimes at work, after I take time to help someone, for instance, show someone where to find something in my store, and they just carry on as the kindness was insignificant and don't thank me (I didn't have to afterall drop everything I was doing and walk them there)...as they walk away I will say, "you're welcome!" and smile before I turn around and walk back.
Or if they are making a huge mess of the cosmetics and jewelry -- throwing it on the floor, I'll walk up and pick it up and reach around them to hang it back up. Without a word. Sometimes words aren't needed. The action is saying, "See. A human has to come along and clean up after your slobbish a**. It's just doesn't magically fly back on the peg."
A lot of people just don't consider things or think beyond themselves, It seems.

Are these things unspiritual? I think a hope for compassion, awareness and mutual respect is all for the good. There's a difference between having high expectations ,assuming them from others...and hoping to bring about awareness to help someone recognize their failings in how they treat their fellows.
Maybe the next time that guy will only claim a parking spot right near him, or keep driving around?
Maybe the next time that person will remember and think twice before they throw the jewelry on the floor?
Maybe not. But it can't hurt to try, right?

posted July 06, 2006 05:43 PM              

The drop of water trembles just before it releases and drops into the ocean.
The 'releasing' could very well be an intuitive urging from God-- a Divine Inspiration, as equally as it is a conscious decision from our will to release control and fall. Together.

I agree that it is arrogant to believe that our will alone without God empowers creation,
but I believe it is equally arrogant to assume God would single out our lives with such intimate focus. If our free will is a gifted treasure that God has bestowed upon us, as his/her hope that we recognize humbly our blessing of aiding the Universe as co-creators...
wouldn't it be arrogant to deny such a gift?

posted July 06, 2006 09:04 PM            

This matter world of ours is only 5 percent.

Is this part of God? Yes, everything is part of God. Infact this universe that we live in is a playground of him. Shakespeare, another son of God is right when he expressed something similar. We do have our own free will in this universe and we all have self evident limits in this universe.

We can at anytime chose to make the will of the parallel universe above a part of our own will. And thats why we need lot of learning to accomplish that.

Everyone has heard of the kundalini rising. Theres a coiled female serpent sitting at the base of our spine when it rises, it meets the male serpent on the top of our head and it is then we experience divine bliss.

====Oops I realized I must have intended to post this in a different post in response to HSC. Never mind.=====

So what happens when the i merges with the big I? We already have the truth inside of us. We are just not aware. Drop of water joining ocean. What is the feeling like? Both are still made of water.
When you sleep you are really awake aren't you? Who takes control of you? And when you are awake you are really sleeping. The free will takes control of you and you appear seperated from the I. So what is death then? Is that not a temporary sleep? Why must we fear death? At every christian funeral the reading "The soul of the just is at the hands of God" is read. We must be at peace.

Its all about resource management. The more you are able to produce or utilize the resources that benefits all, accordingly it will be given to you. For people who do not produce, it will be taken from them. No, do not feel the poor people are cursed, they are poor in material things, but their heart is full of love. A rich man's heart is only on his wealth and what will happen to it when he dies. He will step back in to the karmic wheel.

Recently Bill gates/Buffet gave a lot of their wealth to the society. My mind says God has build divine treasures for them to inherit when they die and go to heaven

Some can meditate on the duality of this universe and can still experience the big I (the God). Some need to go beyond duality and meditate on the formless God. Every individual is different, everyone has travelled different paths so far. Ask yourself will all reach different goals?

OK more ranting later.

posted July 07, 2006 08:49 AM            

fayte,

I look forward to your next post

As ethnic-Chinese myself and one that grew up in its culture, I have to say that I am not into some Chinese philosophers' ideologies. They say that Lao Tzu favored(/chose?) Tao ("the way") over humanity(I'm more interested in Sun Tzu's Art of War). I am not a follower of "the way". I want humanity, and that IS the most fundamental thing to me. I do not make a "distinction" (what the heck is that?) b/w God and I. And I do not lose myself- any longer. I am against abandoning ego. Denouncing ego is only an illusion, a way of temporary "escape" from reality, from our own humanity. I do not want to lose myself. I am.

posted July 07, 2006 09:02 AM            

Sorry, I saw your posts after I sent out my last message

I'm afraid I didn't make myself clear, and also this is such a big topic and one would have to be really articulate to express what s/he thinks. My Free Will and God, my creator, are not two "completely" separate entities and are not "totally" against each other. My Free Will IS a gift from God, which I should cherish, but She/He gave me that anyway, and nothing is black'n'white. That would be an unwise attitude to look at things- to look at life.

Well I'm really not sage enough- esp when it comes to romantic love but thanks for your compliments, Lailei I'm with you when you related your experiences

posted July 08, 2006 05:17 AM            

We must as much as possible seed little guilt in them whenever we can and in a way they are made (if necessary) so that it cleans them and they see things in better light.

Who is a guru? The one who drops from the parallel universe that I mentioned is the 'Guru' they will never step back into the wheel of karma as they have escaped it already. Imagine you are going to a shopping mall, and you are in there for 1/2 hour. These guys will easily go to right aisle ,fetch the things they need and leave the mall after 1/2 hour. Hope you are understanding what I am implying here. I believe even Jesus said "Unless one is from above one cannot go above." (i'm paraphrasing)

Very few person becomes self realized. There fore it indeed makes sense to throw yourself completely to the guru. You are your own guru. But you need these gurus to take you to unchartered waters. Buddha was self realized but remember that that life wasn't his only incarnation. During nirvana all his previous lives flashed in front of him.
Including his association with his gurus (plz check I am sure this is the case).

Allright thats my contribution for today. Good nite.

posted July 08, 2006 08:49 AM              

D, I find it interesting that it appeared my sorrow had to do with romantic love.
Actually, it was for friendship, which is just as meaningful to me.

But, regardless, I've had enough romantic heartbreak in my lifetime to relate in that way as well...and so appreciate your empathy. and be genuine in my feelings of compassion to your understanding.

Have to go, but hope to return when I can.

posted July 08, 2006 12:19 PM            

"Love hurts"- so the song title said- not all the time, but constantly...to me, at least.

I'm going to have a more detailed read about your posts on Monday, when the library's open. Have a good weekend

posted July 08, 2006 12:48 PM            

Its nice to learn sharing information isn't it?

Fayte
Hmmmm!!!! Indeed they are one blend. A true guru is recognised easily who would humble to his students in humility. At the same time a student must never give up on their guru.
The harsh tests are their way of understanding our adaptability/maturedness before the next level.
I am so glad you have a guru.
I do not yet, although I am following 2 greast gurus. One of them heals as Jesus did, with their spit Their lives have taught me a lot. I am still skeptical, becuase I believe there are still many false prophets out there.

Have a wonderful weekend everyone.

posted July 08, 2006 12:53 PM            

I'm with you on the guru/teacher/student thing.

fayte,

Sorry uh...what does "Koans" mean? Please let me know. Thanks

posted July 08, 2006 02:37 PM            

Some things we believe and call true
which are only yearnings.
Wishful thinking can be beautiful,
and many thoughts, both true and untrue,
can lead us to ponder and re-examine
our humble relation to the infinite.
But it is hardly arrogant
not to believe blindly in a fantasy.
We cannot reach Neptune,
without accepting the lessons of Saturn.
Transcendent truths contain,
and expand upon finite laws,
and do not deny them,
in order to make "sense" of themselves.
Religion is not contrary to true science.
Faith is not opposed to reason.
Only the narrow mind
seeks to discard the "one",
in order to affirm the "other",
and succeeds only in creating
divisive and false religions and sciences,
blind faiths, and emotionally-distorted reasons.
True wisdom is inclusive.
The highest wisdom refuses nothing,
but affirms all things in such a way
as to leave them compatible with one another.

posted July 09, 2006 01:27 AM              

quote:

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"Love hurts"- so the song title said- not all the time, but constantly...to me, at least.

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"Not all the time, but constantly."

That shouldn't make sense
but somehow it makes perfect sense.
I believe I understand.

posted July 09, 2006 02:10 AM              

Neptune/Saturn
Storms are necessary in this life.
Storms are beauty's potential.
They breathe life-force into stagnancy.
They shake out truth.

When can a man feel more alive, humble and real then after a storm?

As all is inclusive, as it is transcendent.

The whole...is it whole?

I can't see it as such, for it has no limitations. No boundaries to define it as One. Even though it appears so to the naked eye. Isn't there ever-movement and expansion? Just as we come close to understanding/defining it will expand further.

This is how, in my mind there is so seperatedness between One and All. But yet there is. What was One is in movement...joining the Universal molecular Dance of the cosmos...joining other Ones...repulsing/attracting...separating/conjoining...being/becomming. Nothing is truly ever stagnant long enough to be understood as something seperate or all. With integration we begin to see the interlocking patterns of a foundation from an eternal past.

But I question myself, and have for a long time if even God itself isn't in a continual expansion/evolution just as we are. All is.

I don't know if this relates.
But I liked it.

The simple, absolute and immutable mysteries of divine Truth are hidden in the super-luminous darkness of that silence which revealeth in secret. For this darkness, though of deepest obscurity, is yet radiately clear; and, though beyond touch and sight, it more than fills our unseeing minds with splendours of transcendent beauty...We long exceedingly to dwell in this translucent darkness and, through not seeing and not knowing, to see Him who is beyond both vision and knowledge -- by the very fact of neither seeing Him nor knowing Him. For this is truly to see and to know and, through the abandonment of all things, to praise Him who is beyond and above all things. For this is not unlike the art of those who carve a life-like image from stone; removing from around it all that impedes clear vision of the latent form, revealing its hidden beauty solely by taking away. For it is, as I believe, more fitting to praise Him by taking away than by ascription; for we ascribe attributes to Him, when we start from universals and come down through the intermediate to the particulars. But here we take away all things from Him going up from particulars to universals, that we may know openly the unknowable, which is hidden in and under all things that may be known. And we behold that darkness beyond being, concealed under all natural light.

~Dionysius the Areopagite

posted July 09, 2006 02:15 AM              

Joni Mitchell › Big Yellow Taxi

They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot
With a pink hotel, a boutique
And a swinging hot spot
Dont it always seem to go
That you dont know what youve got
Till its gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot

They took all the trees
Put em in a tree museum
And they charged the people
A dollar and a half just to see em
Dont it always seem to go
That you dont know what youve got
Till its gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot

Hey farmer farmer
Put away that d.d.t. now
Give me spots on my apples
But leave me the birds and the bees
Please!
Dont it always seem to go
That you dont know what youve got
Till its gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot

Late last night
I heard the screen door slam
And a big yellow taxi
Took away my old man
Dont it always seem to go
That you dont know what youve got
Till its gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot

posted July 09, 2006 03:27 AM            

I love "Bulletproof Monk" too!!! I've been thinking about this movie a lot lately- even though it's a blockbuster, but it does make people think. There are some good philosophies in the plot. I can certainly relate to the "Monk with no name"- and the ending is just so myeterious, and it is in fact an important message- if anyone has seen the film...who become(s) the new carrier(s), the successor(s) of the Monk for the following 60 years? And why so? This is a truly inspiring story

posted July 09, 2006 03:46 AM              

Beautiful words.....

posted July 09, 2006 12:49 PM              

>>>NO!
THAT is NOT a "basic" personality trait.
A physically damaged brain, mental disorder/brain chemistry dysfuction, improper psycho/social conditioning and so forth lead to that type of behaviour. Unless conditions are VERY similar, and even then it may not trigger the person to act thusly. Such conduct is not usually carried through in the next incarnation in exactly the same manner. Such "killer instincts" do/can manifest in other ways. Very determined and aggressive for example. Now not every person in these feilds were previously murderers of course, but these are ways such tendencies can manifest in a current lifetime, to be expressed in healthier more socially acceptable ways:
Highly competitive sports, bodyguards, mercenaries, police, soldier, stock market wizard, car salesmen, race car drivers, head CEOs and so forth. It is the thrill of control of others or self or danger and intensity they need and desire.

How do we know if famous/infamous persons had valid reasons to kill? Not the right thing to do socially, but invaders and conquerors have been doing it for a long time, and is it then justified by Karmic law? How many persons whose families or themselves were slain by invaders in a past incarnation, and then in a current incarnation that person goes on with a vengence to eradicate all persons of that race or culture? HOW would a soul feel about these things, and who would he/she go at with a vengence in another lifetime(s) when the opportunity presented itself for her/him to carry out that anger and sense of violation upon those who hurt her/him before? Where did the violation begin? When does it end? Who will say enough!? No more paybacks!? Some things to ponder.http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/DarkBibleContents.htm http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible3.htm
Which leads us then to the concept of "getting off the wheel of the Karmic payback cycle".
See: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/002124.html
It is not a matter of who started the payback cycle, or who the first offenders are; it is a matter of who desires to stop the payback cycles, and who will or will not do so.

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~I intend to continue learning forever~"Fayte"
~I am still learning~ Michangelo
The Door to Gnosis is never permanently locked...one only needs the correct keys and passwords.
The pious man with closed eyes can often hold more ego than a proud man with open eyes.
Out of the mouth of babes commeth wisdom that can rival that of sages.
In the rough, or cut and polished..a diamond is still a precious gem.
-NEXUS-

posted July 10, 2006 06:02 PM            

I'm not sure how the question of "storms" entered into the discussion, but, I do agree that the greatest peace is possible in the quiet after (and not, as popular speech would suggest, before) the storm. You speak of a purification, and I have heard this theme from you repeatedly. I suspect that it is one of the few themes which is closest to your heart and, therefor, most befitting for you to seek to impart. Most spiritual teachers have just one or two central messages to impart, and this is as it should be. We are all specialists in some area. Further, I would just note that recognizing the value of repetition is a hallmark of the devout life, and a truly devout person is one who keeps to just a handful of the most precious thoughts; while the rest of us are not even satisfied with an ever increasing variety of ideas and speculations.

What you say about God expanding reminds me of a notion perhaps very worthy of reflection, which is that God partakes at least as much, if not more, of the qualities of a verb, as "He" does tend to resemble a noun.

The quote is great! Thank you. But, I would suggest that the author is concerning himself here with only half of the truth. The unknown author of "Meditations on the Tarot; A Journey Into Christian Hermeticism" speaks of a process known as "spiritual resperation". It is necessary, he says, to both ascend and descend in our reflections upon the nature of the Divine. Methinks the Areopagate forgets the process which made it possible for him to ascend in the first place. Reflecting that All is God, the natural result must be the reflection that God is None.

"All characteristics are no characteristics."
- The Diamond Sutra

hsc

posted July 11, 2006 01:06 AM            

I remember in the end of movie theres a chanting from Krishna's Geeta ? Do you remember? It was sung by a legend indian singer.

Indeed theres interesting parallels in that movie.

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Ok before sleeping I will blabber for some more time.

A question for all you enlightened ones out there. May be in trying to answer the question you may become enlightened LOL
:
Do we know how to end suffering? Sure...yes...read Buddha , Jesus, etc and you will know how to end suffering. How many of you really know what causes suffering?

Good nite

posted July 11, 2006 08:07 AM              

Actually it would be BPM not BFM.
What I found cool is that BFM are my initials.

All my RL friends said that too! They say it is spooky to watch him because it is just way too close! His "personality" is VERY much mine as I am in my offline life.

I feel I have had many lives in China and India and Tibet. I remember certain chants and upon researching them I found them to be real ones.